Maryland Gun Laws


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cslinger
July 22, 2003, 09:22 PM
Ok an old Maryland boy has a couple of questions regarding MD gun law. Am I correct with the following assumptions.

Mags over 20 rounds are illegal to transfer but are legal to own.
So called Assault Rifles are still legal to own. AR15, AK varient, SKS etc.
There is no Shall Issue.

Is there any registration other than the ballistic fingerprint crap when buying new and the registration of the so called Assault Pistols like the SP89 etc.

Can I own both an AR15 and a Blue Chevy or has this combination been outlawed to make sure there cannot be any more heinous incidents?

If I were to move my collection to MD which includes an AR15, AK varient, SKS, M1 Garand, Nerf gun etc. would I have to perform any legal mumbo jumbo or jump through any hoops. All of my firearms would be considered postban and those that are preban are Curios and relics.

Would my possession of 30 round magazines be an issue.

Would I have to jump up in the air three times while singing I am your uncle Ernie and I am crazy.

Are there any stupid airgun laws now?

I am just looking for some beginning research. I have already hit the NRA web and packing.org. I will research annotated code as necessary so don't feel like you need to be a lawyer to answer. I won't hold anything you say against you. :D

Thanks
Chris

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Spot77
July 22, 2003, 09:33 PM
Hey, nothing personal, BUT DON'T DO IT! STAY OUT OF MARYLAND!!!!

Well, unless Ehrlich has the cajones to lighten things up a little.

bbrins
July 22, 2003, 09:43 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you would have to register you handguns, AK, AR-15 within a certain amount of time of moving into Maryland. I know for sure that you will have to register the blue caprice and probably also the nerf gun. Just make sure you do everything right because Mr. Curran would love to plant you under the jail.
I don't own any "assault weapons" so this is just the way I understand it.
Uh, you can forget about "shall issue" for now, maybe later.

Kharn
July 22, 2003, 10:01 PM
Mags over 20 rounds are illegal to transfer but are legal to own. Correct, you can still buy >20 rounders outside of the state and bring them back in if you want
So called Assault Rifles are still legal to own. AR15, AK varient, SKS etc. Correct, with a 7 day waiting period on purchases, and 30 days must elapse between picking up the last one and starting the waiting period on the next one
There is no Shall Issue. Correct

Is there any registration other than the ballistic fingerprint crap when buying new and the registration of the so called Assault Pistols like the SP89 etc. 'Registration' for 'Assault pistols' was closed in '96, and I believe its a felony to have an unregistered one in the state. The MD State Police keeps a copy of the 'Applications to Purchase' from any pistol or assault rifle you buy, which includes the make, model, serial number, etc of the firearm you wish to buy. Pistols sold in the state must either have been made before 12/31/02 or have an integral lock from the factory or you can pay to have one installed by a gunsmith. Pistols must come with shell casings now.

Can I own both an AR15 and a Blue Chevy or has this combination been outlawed to make sure there cannot be any more heinous incidents? You'd best not be white, or former-Chief Moose will try to have you arrested for being the real DC sniper, especially if you also own a white box truck

If I were to move my collection to MD which includes an AR15, AK varient, SKS, M1 Garand, Nerf gun etc. would I have to perform any legal mumbo jumbo or jump through any hoops. All of my firearms would be considered postban and those that are preban are Curios and relics. Is the AR15 a heavy barrel, or skinny barrel? HBars can be sold over the counter (no waiting period, no 30 days between purchases and no registration), while skinny barrel AR15s and AKs must have the waiting period and such. At the top of all my regulated weapon paperwork are four check boxes: Dealer, Secondary Sale, Gift and Voluntary registration. I'd assume you could volunteer to register them, but I dont know if you're legally required to volunteer :rolleyes:

Would my possession of 30 round magazines be an issue. No, you could even buy more if you visited a gunstore in VA, DE or PA

Would I have to jump up in the air three times while singing I am your uncle Ernie and I am crazy. AG Curran would try to take your guns away

Are there any stupid airgun laws now? None that I know of.

Kharn

gun-fucious
July 22, 2003, 10:04 PM
HBAR AR15s are not assault rifles in MD

cslinger
July 22, 2003, 10:14 PM
Thanks for all the replies.

Basically what I am getting at is do I have to perform any "voluntary":banghead: :barf: registration of any firearms that I might already own or can I just move the whole kit and kaboodle into the state and be done with it.

Lemme see I have a Bushy AK brake shorty and a VEPR II. Tres evil no? So would I have to bend ove......ahhh I mean let the friendly authorities know that I have such a massive amount of firepower so as to prevent me from attempting a military coup or something. I have emailed the Brown Cl....ahhh State Police so we will see what they say. No offense to the good cops out their just doing their job it is just an old saying for the MD State Police kind of like County Mountie.

Thanks again,

Chris

Kharn
July 22, 2003, 10:33 PM
Cslinger: Where in MD are you looking to move? Almost every part of the state is within commuting distance of DE, PA or VA, and you could avoid the whole mess entirely.

The Bushy should be ok, the VEPR (since its an AK 'in any form') would qualify for 'voluntary registration' :rolleyes: .

Kharn

cslinger
July 22, 2003, 10:50 PM
If we moved permanently we would live in DE, PA or VA. At this point it would be a temporary move to AA County.

Thanks again for all your help.

Chris

chaim
July 23, 2003, 01:18 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that you would have to register you handguns, AK, AR-15 within a certain amount of time of moving into Maryland. You are wrong sir. :neener:

To buy a new gun of those types the MD check includes registration. If you already own one (including if you bought it as a resident of another state the day before you moved here) registration is voluntary. You do not have to register it. You can have guns that are not "approved" handguns on the list, you can keep your guns that were made post-1/1/03 without built-in locks, etc. If you bought it legally in a state where you were a legal resident you don't have to register anything and you don't have to sell it before you get here (of course anything that can't be sold here anymore, like post-1/1/03 guns without built-in locks, cannot be sold used- you're stuck with it or you sell it out of state online). I got this info from the state police office responsible for registration, if you don't trust them to know (or them or me to tell the truth) you can always check with a lawyer.

I don't know the deal with the mags. I have been told (but not by the state police) that it is illegal for a MD resident to buy a mag out of state that holds more than 20 rounds and bring it back. You have to either be a resident of another state when you buy it or you have to have owned it before the law. However, I'm not sure on this and it would be virtually impossible to enforce (who's to say that the pre-ban 30 rounder you bought in PA yesterday is any different than the one you've had for 10 years).

The handful of guns that are outright banned in MD (like the SP-89) probably can't be brought in from other states but you'd be best off to check with a lawyer or the state police on that one.

slh02
July 23, 2003, 02:50 AM
This state has some of the strangest laws. The whole AR-15 situation is just pointless. The law is intended (I guess anyway) to keep AR's out of the hands of persons under 21.

Being under 21, I can not:
-Purchase any AR-15 that does not have a Heavy Barrel
-Purchase any AR-15 lower reciever (the part that is considered the "firearm" I guess)

There is however a "loophole" in the law that allows me to buy an AR-15 with a heavy barrel (such as the bushmaster shorty).

So basically, I cant buy just a lower but I can buy a fully functional rifle with the same exact lower just because it has a heavy barrel. Please someone tell me what kind of sense these restrictions make?

Not really complaining about the "loophole", just trying to vent a little on these stupid gun laws.

cpileri
July 23, 2003, 04:39 AM
PLEEEEEEEEAAASSE dont come!
I was told to move to Northern VA and I didn't heed the advice- i regret it every day!
This place svX for more reasons than just firearms laws. Its the Little Red Socialist republic than most states aspire to be.
Its also SOOOO much more 'PC' than other places.
I can't stand it.
Next year, I stand to be deployed to Iran, Iraq, or even Korea- and, get this if it tells you how bad I think it is here, I CAN'T WAIT!!!
C-
p.s. if you do have to come though, please move close enough to some of us who plan to go to group therapy (i.e meet to shoot) more often

cslinger
July 23, 2003, 09:05 AM
I didn't say I was moving, I just to keep my MD firearm laws up to snuff.

For what it is worth this is the reply I received from the MD State Police.

Mr. Kornmann,

According to the information provided, it appears that you are not
required to do anything regarding your firearms upon moving to Maryland.
You can voluntarily register your pistols and revolvers and any assault
weapons that you possess, however, that is not required. For additional
information regarding firearms regulations, you can contact the Firearms
Registration Section at 410-799-0191 or 1-800-525-5555.

Sgt. Michael Pfisterer
Firearms Enforcement Section



So can I voluntarily pay extra taxes, how about volutarily leasing my car to the state. Maybe I could voluntarily house some criminals for MD. Anything I can do you know.:barf:

Chris

greyhound
July 23, 2003, 09:18 AM
You gotta take a Maryland Firearms Safety Class to be able to buy a gun (only have to take it once, then you just show your card when you make your next purchase). To do this, you either:

a) sign up for the State Police course, given at the barracks usually one or two nights a month (and seems like its always like a Weds. evening, never weekends or any time convenient.) Class takes 4 hours.

or

b) pretend to watch a 10 minute video at the gun shop, after which they give you your card.

Guess which most do?:D

Now I'm all for voluntary training being made available to folks new to firearms, but this sytem is a joke.

Partisan Ranger
July 23, 2003, 10:29 AM
I moved to the DC area four years ago and ended up in Northern VA mainly because a close friend lives here and we moved near his house.

Now that I know the area, I thank God I ended up in VA. MD is great for nanny-state lovers and if you think law-abiding citizens having firearms is a problem. If you don't (that is, if you are a real American), move to VA.

That said, if you DO move to MD, I can help you with your problem - give your guns to me!!!! I'd love an AR-15 and an M-1!:D

cslinger
July 23, 2003, 04:28 PM
and ask if they have people beating their doors down to "VOLUNTARILY" register their firearms.:barf:

Here is the reply I got.

Mr. Kornmann,

In the event that one or all of your firearms are stolen or missing,
you would have to provide a list with serial numbers, description, etc. in
order for the firearm(s) to be entered into the national database as being
stolen. By voluntarily registering regulated firearms, that information
would be readily available to law enforcement agencies within Maryland in
the event that a theft would occur. If the stolen firearm was recovered, it
is much easier to locate the current owner by checking the Maryland
Automated Firearms Services System, rather than attempting to identify the
owner through ATF who would contact the dealer who sold the firearm, thus
expediting the return of your firearm(s). To the contrary, there are many
law abiding citizens who voluntarily register regulated firearms.

Sgt. Michael Pfisterer
Firearms Enforcement Section


Um, wouldn't it be easier for me to keep a nice list of all the required information and submit it to all proper authorities should the unfortunite happen. So really by "VOLUNTARILY":barf: :barf: registering my firearms they are doing me a great service. In the event that my guns get stolen then will jump right on the ball and get them back to me ASAP
:rolleyes: :barf:

So I'm sitting here thinking to myself, "Self" why don't you bring your TV, Stereo, Microwave and maybe even the old computer and playstation down to the local constabulary and have them check it in and register it. I mean in the event that those get stolen I would certainly like to have those back as quickly as possible too. I'll let everybody know what happens when I ask them to log all the stuff in that I pile into the truck. I have lots of things that I don't want stolen and I would want back as quickly as possible. I mean as long as they our generously offering to keep track of all my guns, why not the rest of my crap too. What's a bigger hard drive for the database in the whole scheme of things. I mean it is all for my sake right?:rolleyes: :banghead: :barf:

Chris

JeepDriver
July 23, 2003, 06:04 PM
To the contrary, there are many law abiding citizens who voluntarily register regulated firearms

We don't have a choice. It's either register them or don't buy them. If we don't fill out the forms then we don't get the guns.

chaim
July 23, 2003, 06:28 PM
We don't have a choice. It's either register them or don't buy them. If we don't fill out the forms then we don't get the guns.

That is only for buying a handgun. There is voluntary registration as well. If you bought a gun in MD before the current law, if you bought while a resident of another state or if you buy a long-gun you can voluntarily register them. What is sad is that when I was at the state police barracks to sell a handgun (you need to fill out all the paperwork and jump through all the hoops for a private sale in MD as you would at a dealer) there were a couple people there voluntarily registering guns. The only reason I can think of to do it is that they got a job where they can get a permit, i.e. armed security or PI, and that their employer requires any gun used on the job to be registered, though a better solution in that case is to buy a new gun for the job instead of registering an unregistered gun.

bbrins
July 23, 2003, 08:29 PM
Chaim,

Thank you for the correction. I have never brought anything in to Maryland from another state, so I was just going on what I've been told. Thanks.

BrokenPaw
July 24, 2003, 09:54 AM
So basically, I cant buy just a lower but I can buy a fully functional rifle with the same exact lower just because it has a heavy barrel. Please someone tell me what kind of sense these restrictions make? They make perfect sense, when viewed in the same light as all other anti-gun codswallop.

Can't buy a gun with a bayonet lug on, because you might shoot someone.
Can't buy a gun with more than 10+1 capacity, because 11 rounds is safe, but 12 is deadly.
People under 21 are sniveling weaklings, so dragging a big heavy HBAR around is too much for them; they'll decide not to kill anyone, because it'd be too much effort.

With regards to the restriction on buying a lower without an HBAR upper, I foresee a conversation not unlike this one:

"Hello, Mr. Gun Seller Person. That is a lovely lower half, and I should like to buy it."
"I'm sorry, Mr. Legally-Adult-Only-Not-Quite-Under-Maryland-Law, I can't sell you that lower, because it doesn't have a barrel on, and it is therefore an evil illegal assault rifle, notwithstanding the fact that all it can do in its present state is really bruise your thumb if you let the hammer drop on it."
"Ah, I see. Well. What might I be able to buy?"
"Well, if I put this HBAR upper half on, thus enabling the gun to be fired, it is transformed from an Evil Assault Lower into a Fluffykins 4000 HBAR Safety Rifle which, while capable of sending bullets downrange at 2000 feet per second, will prevent children from receiving dangerous thumb-related injuries."
"How much does the Fluffykins 4000 sell for?"
"About $500 more than the lower half you wished to purchase."
"Alas, I fear I only have enough scrip to purchase the lower half."
"Well. You look to be an honest fellow. I shall loan you the $500, on a gentlemen's agreement, that it be paid back in full, immediately, at such time as I call it due, with no interest."
"Very well, then. I should like to purchase a Fluffykins 4000."
"Done. Now that you have your complete, non-dangerous rifle, I am calling my loan due. I should like my $500, if you please."
"Alas, I find I have no cash at all. But I have a lovely HBAR upper half, which I might be willing to part with. Would you be willing to accept it in lieu of my debt?"
"I would, sir. Have a nice day. Mind your thumbs, now."

:rolleyes:

-BP

Jayman
July 24, 2003, 02:23 PM
"Hello, Mr. Gun Seller Person. That is a lovely lower half, and I should like to buy it."
"I'm sorry, Mr. Legally-Adult-Only-Not-Quite-Under-Maryland-Law, I can't sell you that lower, because it doesn't have a barrel on, and it is therefore an evil illegal assault rifle, notwithstanding the fact that all it can do in its present state is really bruise your thumb if you let the hammer drop on it."
"Ah, I see. Well. What might I be able to buy?"
"Well, if I put this HBAR upper half on, thus enabling the gun to be fired, it is transformed from an Evil Assault Lower into a Fluffykins 4000 HBAR Safety Rifle which, while capable of sending bullets downrange at 2000 feet per second, will prevent children from receiving dangerous thumb-related injuries."
"How much does the Fluffykins 4000 sell for?"
"About $500 more than the lower half you wished to purchase."
"Alas, I fear I only have enough scrip to purchase the lower half."
"Well. You look to be an honest fellow. I shall loan you the $500, on a gentlemen's agreement, that it be paid back in full, immediately, at such time as I call it due, with no interest."
"Very well, then. I should like to purchase a Fluffykins 4000."
"Done. Now that you have your complete, non-dangerous rifle, I am calling my loan due. I should like my $500, if you please."
"Alas, I find I have no cash at all. But I have a lovely HBAR upper half, which I might be willing to part with. Would you be willing to accept it in lieu of my debt?"
"I would, sir. Have a nice day. Mind your thumbs, now."Dude, that ruled. My co-workers are wondering why I'm laughing. Now I want to buy a Fluffykins 4000.

md2lgyk
July 24, 2003, 02:40 PM
I love threads like this that keep reminding me why I will NEVER again live in that God-forsaken state!

slh02
July 24, 2003, 04:37 PM
Not only was that one of the funniest things I have ever read, but it sums up the situation quite nicely. Thank you for that. :D

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