[Pete409]

I have several semi-auto pistols and also several revolvers in a variety of calibers. When I carry concealed, I usually carry a Glock .40 or Taurus PT 111 9mm. Occasionally, I may carry a small 5-shot .38 Special revolver.

All of these are good quality, reliable guns, but none of them have crisp, light triggers. If I wanted to consider buying and carrying a mid-sized 9mm semi-auto with a crisp single action trigger pull, which one would you recommend?

Thanks.

[falnovice]

Hmmm, good question.
The xd-9 has a decent trigger right out of the box, but not great.
My MP9 came with a nice trigger, and a little work can make it into a really good trigger. Dan Burnwell is supposed to do a great trigger job on these, for a very reasonable price.
But for my money, nothing touches the Browning Hi-Power......with a little work. Get a gently used MkIII, drop the mad (sorry, MAG) disconnect, do a LITTLE polishing if required(I haven't), and you have a nice crisp trigger. Not super light, but quite crisp.

Now I haven't fired the 1911 9mm's that are kicking around. I would imagine they could have the best triggers.

My current project is my new CZ-75. I'm going to put another couple hundred rounds through it and then strip it down and polish the action. The SA trigger is a little creepy and a lot gritty right now, but I think I can work that out.

Good luck.

[Desertscout]

Nothing but custom guns come with a REALLY good trigger right out of the box in this liability conscious world. Just pick the gun you like and get some trigger work done on it if you want it to be really nice. There are very few guns that I even consider acceptable nowadays.

[TT]

I have a Springfield Armory Ultra Compact in 9mm. Has a trigger almost as good as the single action trigger on my S&W revolvers. Short, pretty light, minimal take-up and over-travel.

[mavracer]

1911,HK p7,BHP with work or witness match

[worker]

witness match, STI LS9

[Youngster]

The best trigger I've seen on a out of the box 9mm pistol has be either one of the better 9mm 1911s or a Grand Power K100, either way you're going to get spoiled compared to other stock guns.

[porsche]

be wary of mods to a carry gun that you might use for self defense, particularly trigger. if you shoot someone you may face a civil liability case and you may be made to appear as if you shot without intent due to the triggerjob making the pull easier.

[SKM&P9]

+ 1 on Porsche's comment. My instructor said that countless times, " If you're going to carry it, make sure it's what you want, and don't alter it at all."

[Pete409]

TT wrote: "I have a Springfield Armory Ultra Compact in 9mm. Has a trigger almost as good as the single action trigger on my S&W revolvers. Short, pretty light, minimal take-up and over-travel."


Pardon my ignorance, but is that a single action pistol? Also, do you know the weight (unloaded) of the pistol with magazine?

About 18 years ago, I owned a Star 9mm pistol. It was a copy of the 1911 pistol. The size was medium and it was very convenient for carry, except for one thing. The darn thing was heavy as a ton of bricks! I forget the exact weight, but I think it was somewhere near 38 ounces EMPTY. The gun handled and shot well, but it didn't take me long to decide to trade it in on Glock which weighed only about 23 ounces empty.

So, I suppose that a criteria that I forgot to mention is that I would want an alloy framed pistol, or something that weighed no more than about 27 or 28 ounces empty.

[falnovice]

Well, within reason.

I have heard that advice myself, however I am aware of no civilian self defense case in which the changing of sights, extending mag releases, or removing a mag disconnect was brought up. I would be careful about the "hair" trigger, though I have never seen documented evidence of a civilian being attacked for this in a civil case.

[falnovice]

Dbl post.

[JDGray]

When I carry concealed, I usually carry a Glock .40

If you don't have a 3.5 connector in your gun, its a factory part, and helps a bunch. My G23s trigger breaks at 4#, which is exactly were my Sig 239 factory trigger is set. Not to light, way better than the stock set up.:)

[JDGray]

Sorry, DP

[usp9]

My best triggers are not on carry guns. The best triggers on those I would carry are on the HK P7 PSP followed by my HK P2000SK.

[Red State]

I am suprised that no one has mentioned Sig. The P239, P229, and P226 all have nice single action triggers.

[bannockburn]

falnovice

I would have to agree with your assessment of the BHP MkIII trigger pull. Even without doing the mag safety removal or any other type of customizing or polishing; this gun simply had the best SA pull right out of the box. Compare that to a 1966 BHP ring hammer model that I had years ago that went off the scale in measuring it's trigger pull (best estimate was around 14 pounds). Somewhere down the line, somebody was listening at FN.

[modifiedbrowning]

For a Da/Sa pistol look at a Walther P99 AS. Very light SA trigger with a short reset that can be a little rough at first but smooths up with use.
Another pistol that has a very nice DA and SA trigger (and only costs around $350) is the Bersa Thunder 9 line. www.bersafirearmsusa.com
Good luck.

[tinygnat219]

Cz-75sa.

[CPshooter]

I was going to suggest a Sig also.. all of them have great DA/SA triggers. First shot is DA and carry-safe. Subsequent shots are SA and make for very accurate shooting. A P239 is probably your best bet for concealed carry, however, it really isn't that small of a gun. Sure, it's single stack, but still rather hefty all-around.

A 3.5-4# trigger connector for your Glock is probably the way to go if you want to save a bunch of money and still get a great trigger.

Other choices are a Walther P99c A/S or an H&K P2000sk. Both have wonderful DA/SA triggers as well and are sub-compact in size.

[Chuck Perry]

The best single action trigger, bar none, is the 1911. Snoop around about trigger jobs on the other pistols. Everyone says "it's just like a 1911" or "almost exactly like my 1911." If you want a 1911 trigger pull, buy a 1911. Others come close, but they can't match it 100% (or beat it). Flame suit on...

[milo z]

The Springfield EMP and Kimber Aegis would probably be the best options in a small, concealable single-action platform. Aluminum frame, 3-inch or 3.5-inch barrel on the EMP, anywhere from 3 to 5-inches on the Aegis with the traditional 1911 trigger pull and reset.

[milo z]

I would not describe either my M&Ps (9mm, .357 Sig) or the two I've shot (.45 and .40) as crisp. Great pistol in almost every way, but the trigger is spongey at the break. I really need to send them off for a trigger job.

[falnovice]

Changing out the disconnector in the Glock will make the trigger lighter, but I don't know about making it any crisper. To be honest I am not much of a glock guy, but all of the 3.5# disconnectors I have handled have been quite mushy.

MiloZ,
I haven't handled the MP45 yet, but all of the MP9s I've handled, as well as the one I own have a fairy crisp break. Too much take-up and overtravel, but a decent break. I would rate it a tiny bit better than Glock triggers, but well behind my XD. Until I send the MP off for a trigger job.

Chuck Perry,
I have no experience with the 9mm 1911's, though I remember hearing mixed reports about reliability a couple of years ago. I will admit, the 1911's straight back trigger is capable of being the best. I serriously doubt any pivoting trigger will take that away anytime soon. However, Pete doesn't sound hung-up on it having a 1911 trigger so I'm sure he'll find something crisp enough.

Pete,
Check out the CZ75P-01.
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=28

[GunTech]

Pardini PC9.

[twinhairdryers]

I have had pleasure to shoot. And, after 2500 rounds down the pipe, even smoother. For a factory setup, it is hard to beat, and I have pulled the triggers on 19 varieties of glocks, H&K, Sig, S&W, Kahr, CZ, Colt, Ruger, Taurus, and few others.

The only triggers I have found to be near acceptable from the factory were a Ruger 10/22, CZ SP01, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Taurus Model 83 357, Kimber Pro II, Taurus PT911, Sig Trailside Hammerli, Tromix Saiga-12 8inch (Ok perhaps not stock).

[Pete409]

"Pete,
Check out the CZ75P-01.
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=28"


That looks nice and may be very close to what I'm looking for. I like that look and styling. I have a TZ-75 9mm which I like a lot, but it's just too big and too heavy for a carry gun. Something like the P-01 just might work right in. Thanks.

[TT]

Pete,
Springfield Ultra Compact is a 1911-pattern Officers Model size pistol. Aluminum frame. I would guess it weighs between 25 and 30 ounces with an empty mag.

Ted

[Papa John]

Smith & Wesson 952-2

[bobaloo]

I have a HiPower with the Cylinder & Slide SFS safety system in it that has the best trigger of any gun I have, even better than the 1911's. The Cylinder & Slide mod replaces some of the trigger group parts and allows you to carry cocked but hammer down, it's nice for a carry gun and makes for a great trigger.

CDNN was selling them dirt cheap, if they're still available it's a heck of a deal.

[1832]

Best out-of-the-box SA trigger I've experienced was a tie between my Kimber Gold Match and a CZ Combat 85. Among my 9s, the CZ 85 is light years ahead of the rest.

[JoeHatley]

S&W 952 (any vintage)

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/952_r.jpg

Joe

[ernunnos]

In decreasing order:

1. SIG P210, SIG X5, CZ 75 Tac-Sport, competition 1911s.
2. CZ-75 SP-01 (converted to SA), CZ-75 SA, BHP (with moderate work), carry-tuned 1911s.
3. HK P7M8 or PSP, Glocks with competition triggers/disconnectors.

[robctwo]

I just got a S&W 952. Amazing trigger. At 41 oz empty it does not meet the requested criteria for carry. My CZ P-01 is my primary carry, but it is a DA pistol. Very nice SA trigger, but DA first shot. I don't know if CZ has an alloy compact in single action. I just had some trigger work done on my BHP. It's much better, but not quite a 1911 or 952. I also have the S&W1911PD Commander. Very good stock 1911 trigger out of the box, alloy frame and shorter slide. It probably needs a bobtail for perfect carry gun.