Help finding specs for a load


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Luggo
December 15, 2007, 10:34 PM
I'm still somewhat new at this. I have searched my book, (Lyman 47) and the internet sources I know of to no avail.

Could someone give me specs for a 9mm, 115 FMJ, with Win 231?

I have read the debate on 231 and H-38...but the Hodgdon site only lists JHP and LRN and not a FMJ round.

Any help would be appreciated.

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scrat
December 15, 2007, 11:08 PM
Too easy

and welcome to the high road

http://www.reloadammo.com/9mloads.htm

(WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter,
HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose, FMC= Full Metal Case, FMJ= Full Metal Jacket
JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet)

Loads for 9 MM Luger:
(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet size is .355" (jacketed) in diameter. Cast bullets for 9mm (like Lead RN) are often .356" diameter.
Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start 10% under these charges and work up.
THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS! - NOTE, powder companies have reduced some of these hot and maximum loads after these figures were posted. You might check current loads from powder company before loading maximum loads.


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90 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 5.0 gr. 1,250 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,341
HP38 5.8 gr. 1,349
HS-6 8.1 gr. 1,380
No. 2 4.8 gr. 1,331
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,343
231 5.1 gr. 1,305
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100 grain JHP or FMC (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 4.9 gr. 1,182 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,248
HP38 5.5 gr. 1,282
HS-6 7.5 gr. 1,313
No. 2 5.2 gr. 1,190
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,200
No. 7 9.0 gr. 1,230
231 5.1 gr. 1,235
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,155
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,180
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115 grain FMC
Bullseye 4.3 gr. 1,180 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,185
Universal 5.0 gr. 1,149
Clays 3.9 gr. 1,095
HP38 5.1 gr. 1,167
No. 2 4.4 gr. 1,092
No. 5 7.0 gr. 1,192
231 4.2 gr. 1,135
WSL 4.5 gr. 1,105
WSF 5.7 gr. 1,165
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,162
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,130
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125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
WSL 3.8 gr. 985
WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
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125 grain FMC or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,155 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,150
Universal 4.9 gr. 1,118
Clays 3.7 gr. 1,056
HP38 4.8 gr. 1,088
No. 2 4.1 gr. 1,057
No. 5 6.4 gr. 1,200
231 4.1 gr. 1,095
WSL 4.1 gr. 1,025
WSF 5.3 gr. 1,115
VV 3N37 6.3 gr. 1,165
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145 grain Lead RN (Round Nose)
Bullseye 3.5 gr. 942 FPS
Unique 3.8 gr. 1,108
HS6 5.0 gr. 968
No. 2 3.7 gr. 893
No. 5 5.1 gr. 984
No. 7 7.2 gr. 1,052
WSF 3.9 gr. 961
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147 grain FMJ or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,010 FPS
Unique 4.4 gr. 1,010
Universal 3.7 gr. 851
HS6 6.0 gr. 973
No. 2 4.0 gr. 888
No. 5 5.3 gr. 991
WSF 4.3 gr. 935
WAP 4.7 gr. 964
HP-38 3.5 grs. 818 to 825 fps (contributed by a friend)
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Discussion: Bullseye is a fast burning powder and perhaps better suited to the small cases like the 9mm. It burns completely and fast. Unique is a very consistent burning powder and it is almost a tossup with the heavier bullets. Universal, Clays and HS6 are from Hodgdon and similar to Bullseye and Unique. HS6 is slowest of the group (Similar to 2400) and takes quite a bit more powder. Respectively are No.2 and No.5 from Accurate.
As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. For any loads over 900 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air.




*
Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders.
Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders.
IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company.
No. 2, No. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company
WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div.


References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet - - Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders' Guide (1995) - - Hodgdon's Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) - - Speer Reloading Manual, #12 - - Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition - - Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. - - VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) - - Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted.

Luggo
December 15, 2007, 11:16 PM
The 115g load listed is for a FMC, is that ok for a FMJ?

Thank you for the help

Luggo
December 16, 2007, 09:42 PM
bump for suggestions

Jim Watson
December 16, 2007, 10:02 PM
FMC = Full Metal Case = FMJ = Full Metal Jacket.
Difference is zero to tiny.

zxcvbob
December 16, 2007, 11:51 PM
Straight from the horse's mouth (screen shot from hodgdon.com):

Based on this, I would use about 4.6 grains of 231 with any 115 grain jacketed bullet.

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