predictions for 2008!


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gunsmith
December 16, 2007, 02:37 AM
OK, the rules are like last years 07 prediction thread!
Keep it gun related and high road.

We win a narrow decision in the Supreme Court that opens the door for all kinds of fun, including nationwide reciprocity.

The Republican candidate gives lip service to the RKBA but ignores it after elected.

Joe Horn cleared by Jan 15, 08 but we argue about it to 09.

Skunkabilly makes annual appearance and no one recognizes him & Standing Wolf becomes a mod, causing liberals to be mysteriously banned.

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XavierBreath
December 16, 2007, 02:43 AM
Gun Free Zones in churches will become a thing of the past.

HungSquirrel
December 16, 2007, 02:49 AM
A: Ron Paul wins, we keep what few gun rights we have left, and he keeps the issue a central point of debate in mainstream politics.

B: Any other (R) wins after paying lip-service to the RKBA, then ignores it while in office.

C: Any (D) wins and he/she signs the new Adequate Magazine Ban. In 2010 the Dems lose Congess.

gunsmith
December 16, 2007, 02:53 AM
Couldn't he undo a lot of damage by simple executive orders and pardons?

Jamie C.
December 16, 2007, 05:44 AM
2008 won't be that much different than 2007.

There may be new faces/characters, but the show will be the same, and the U.S. as well as the rest of the world will continue along the same old path it's been on for quite some time now.

In other words, expect it to be "Business As Usual", with some gains, offset by some losses.



J.C.

Autolycus
December 16, 2007, 06:45 AM
I suspect Mike Huckabee will come out of nowhere and get the nomination. He then becomes POTUS. After which he bans all religions except for Christianity. He then forces a Christian theocracy upon our country and we can only dream of freedom as they oppress us with their biblical based knowledge. He then bans guns for non-Christians.

If Fred THompson gets the nomination we will face the same fate but it will be more in the lines of traditional fascism. We will lose the rest of our rights slowly but surely. Religion will not play as big a part in his potential destruction of our country.

A democrat wins and the country actually does well as they pull us out of Iraq and we lose our 2nd Amendment rights. However gay rights are recognized and a womens right to choose is protected. But gun owners are screwed.

Ron Paul wins and the 2nd Amendment is protected along with the rest of the bill of rights. We actually get national reciprocity and many other unconstitutional laws are reaapealed during his 2nd term as president. The war in Iraq ends and we leave them be. Our current administration is tried as war criminals and punished for their crimes against humanity. The GOP changes for the better and we revert back to a mindset like those of the founding fathers. The 2nd amendment goes unquestioned and is no longer infringed.
Hey... a guy can dream, right?

BobbyQuickdraw
December 16, 2007, 07:44 AM
If Mike Huckabee becomes president both your guns and your religion is safe.

Huckabee is a REAL hunter who just doesn't pick up guns around election years. He is the only candidate in the Top 5 who will protect our guns. Giuliani and Romney don't have our interests anywhere near their hearts.

Predictions? Republican edges out Clinton for the win. Gun control gets victory in Supreme Court. Nationally gun control is ignored for the next 4 years, while states enact their own laws and generally improve in about 40 of the states, while California and Illinois still crap over all gun owners.

Superlite27
December 16, 2007, 08:39 AM
If Mike Huckabee becomes president both your guns and your religion is safe.

......All good Christians have nothing to fear!!!!

1) Whichever Dumbocrit wins the hypocritic...woops! I mean Democratic nomination will win the presidency. They will try to screw us out of 2A rights, but it won't happen because....

2) SCOTUS will decide D.C. vs. Heller in favor of gun owners, opening the door for a trend towards less gun control and record numbers of concealed weapon carriers because......

3) more killings in "Gun Free Zones" start to open people's eyes to the benefits of being armed no matter how hard the liberal media tries to hide it.

4) With the increase in firearms freedom, we will see a resulting bump in anti-2A activism such as the Brady Bunch pulling some hyjinks or demonstrations in order to boost their visiblity. They will eventually GO COMPLETELY BERSERK when........

5) the latest assault weapons ban is narrowly defeated due to HARD WORK BY pro-2A SUPPORTERS CONTACTING THEIR LEGISLATORS!!!

MEH
December 16, 2007, 08:56 AM
I suspect Mike Huckabee will come out of nowhere and get the nomination. He then becomes POTUS. After which he bans all religions except for Christianity. He then forces a Christian theocracy upon our country and we can only dream of freedom as they oppress us with their biblical based knowledge. He then bans guns for non-Christians.

Tecumseh, You really hold Christians in high regard. :rolleyes:


:scrutiny: If that happened I think I would advocate a revolution and I'm a born again Christian!


By the way I'm not voting for Huckabee...

Cannonball888
December 16, 2007, 09:25 AM
After a Dem electoral victory, military supporters of Ron Paul stage a coup d'état. Pro 2A citizens rally to the cause.

(Well, you didn't say it had to be a realistic prediction).

Geo.Az
December 16, 2007, 10:37 AM
Sorry They are All Bad

riverdog
December 16, 2007, 10:45 AM
Any (R) besides Ron Paul wins and he may as well be a (D).

BTW, it's a major fundraising day at http://www.ronpaul2008.com/. Show the other R's and the MSM which candidate has the juice. Seems their new tactic is to ignore Dr. Paul in the hopes he'll go away. . .

AK103K
December 16, 2007, 10:51 AM
Sorry There All Bad
I agree.

I'm amazed that people really think there is a difference between the parties. Both have screwed us in the past, both will do it again in the future. None of this has anything to do with your rights, or what is right, only with money and power.


....and the beat goes on......

brighamr
December 16, 2007, 11:45 AM
Good predictions:
*DC is decided and the NFA registry is reopened
*Hillary is involved in a "gun free zone" incident, thus realizing her mistakes and becoming a 2A activist
*US shooting team sweeps the olympics
*IRS is abolished with the income tax. America is prosperous again
*USPSA starts to give $100,000 prize per match. I quit my job and get to shoot professionally (yes I'm dreaming on this one ;)
*Hi-cap mags are required with each purchase of any new gun
*M82A1 is overproduced, thus making it sell at $2000 instead of 8k
*The Outdoor channel buys NBC and FOX thus you get to see "Sighting in with shooting USA" on every channel, and the news channels praise people who defend themselves

Bad predictions:
*Hillary becomes POTUS and is impeached after trying to pass an all-out ban
*UN attempts to tax all countries that don't comply with their gun policy. *Dems pay the UN tax with a new "gun owner tax"
*price of ammo doubles... again ...
*More retards go on shooting sprees causing people to lose their lives and making the whole country look bad (sadly this one is true)
*Media continues to flaunt\praise the shooting spree retards



I didn't click the poll because it needs another selection: "Miraculously RP wins and the 2A is restored to what is should be"....

gunsmith
December 16, 2007, 05:40 PM
I didn't click the poll because it needs another selection: "Miraculously RP wins and the 2A is restored to what is should be"

A lot of my non political friends are asking me who is gonna win, it is still to close to call. I am praying that Hilary continues being her unlikeable self.

I cant see the scotus being in favor of DC, they know they'll be serious consequences.

Sorry There All Bad

No, it is "they're" or they are. These things are important.
Romanes Eunt Domus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

He then bans guns for non-Christians.
LOL, Things could be worse:evil:

denfoote
December 16, 2007, 08:24 PM
Hillary wins, Dems control both houses of congress by veto proof and filibuster proof majorities.

Chuck Shumer leaves the Senate to become Attorney General.
Bill is appointed to replace him.

The socialist congress enacts total gun ban with retroactive penalties for possession, no grandfather clause and no amnesty. The bill is enacted on an "emergency" basis to become effective as soon as the President signs it. Hillary signs as soon as it gets to her desk and orders her ATF to begin a nationwide house to house confiscation of guns and round up of owners. All 4473 forms are confiscated from all gunshops, whose owners have been arrested under the new law as illegal weapons dealers. Armed with these, the ATF sets out on their mission!!
Gun owner concentration camps are set up across the country to house the newly declared terrorists per the enhanced Patriot Act.

Jorg Nysgerrig
December 16, 2007, 08:29 PM
Hillary wins, Dems control both houses of congress by veto proof and filibuster proof majorities.

Chuck Shumer leaves the Senate to become Attorney General.
Bill is appointed to replace him.

The socialist congress enacts total gun ban with retroactive penalties for possession, no grandfather clause and no amnesty. The bill is enacted on an "emergency" basis to become effective as soon as the President signs it. Hillary signs as soon as it gets to her desk and orders her ATF to begin a nationwide house to house confiscation of guns and round up of owners.
Gun owner concentration camps are set up across the country to house the newly declared terrorists per the enhanced Patriot Act.

I'm certain you're joking about this and have misread the thread as silly predictions, but you may wish to be careful as someone might think you are actually serious.

denfoote
December 16, 2007, 08:35 PM
The OP asked for predictions, so that's mine.
Like or not, it is a distinct possibility if the Dems control the entire government!
The historical president is 1920 Russia or 1947 China.
Consider it an ominous warning to apethetic Republican gunowners!!
Oh, and don't forget 1938 Deutschland!!!

Jorg Nysgerrig
December 16, 2007, 08:54 PM
The OP asked for predictions, so that's mine.
Perhaps you aren't using the same definition the rest of us are.
Like or not, it is a distinct possibility if the Dems control the entire government!
No, not it isn't. Never even in your wettest Red Dawn/Unintended Consequences fantasies. It's just plain silliness. Do you have that little faith in America and the system to honestly think that would occur? Or perhaps you just don't understand how it actually all works?
The historical president is 1920 Russia or 1947 China.
President? Perhaps you mean precedent? Any comparison between those two and the US in 2008 would be reaching quite a bit. I would be interesting to read it, although I suspect it would require someone with a fairly strong background in history.
Consider it an ominous warning to apethetic Republican gunowners!!
A warning is not the same as a prediction, whether someone is apathetic or not.
Oh, and don't forget 1938 Deutschland!!!
And there's Godwin, thread over. :rolleyes:

Matt King
December 16, 2007, 09:06 PM
If Mike Huckabee becomes president both your guns and your religion is safe.

And how is my religion in danger in the first place?

politicalgeek
December 16, 2007, 10:26 PM
Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (and other 2A groups) successfully campaign/lobby to get at least 10 states to reform carry laws and allow campus carry

MachIVshooter
December 16, 2007, 11:20 PM
Hillary wins, Dems control both houses of congress by veto proof and filibuster proof majorities.

Chuck Shumer leaves the Senate to become Attorney General.
Bill is appointed to replace him.

The socialist congress enacts total gun ban with retroactive penalties for possession, no grandfather clause and no amnesty. The bill is enacted on an "emergency" basis to become effective as soon as the President signs it. Hillary signs as soon as it gets to her desk and orders her ATF to begin a nationwide house to house confiscation of guns and round up of owners. All 4473 forms are confiscated from all gunshops, whose owners have been arrested under the new law as illegal weapons dealers. Armed with these, the ATF sets out on their mission!!
Gun owner concentration camps are set up across the country to house the newly declared terrorists per the enhanced Patriot Act.

You're not much of a "glass half full" kinda guy..................;)

On that note, there are fewer ATF agents in the U.S. than there are citizens in my podunk little county. Methinks ATF would not be the enforcing party in such instance.

ShunZu
December 16, 2007, 11:28 PM
1. They're all elitists.
2. They're all in bed with the various lobbies.
3. Both parties have never understood what the word REPUBLIC means.
4. Ron Paul, while I see him highly favored on THR, imho is a little kooky. (Sorry, guys. I have a hard time considering him as a serious candidate).
5. If the Republicans win (and they won't, unfortunately) your weapon collection is safe -- but
6. If the Dems win, your collection doubles in value in the next 4 years.

Recommendation: Vote. But be assured that WHOEVER takes the White House in '08, the onslaught of gun rights as well as civil rights - in the name of terrorist and security control - will continue.
Recommendation #2 - Buy ammo every time you can. It's the ONE thing, in addition to gas, that will continue to just get more expensive.

AirplaneDoc
December 16, 2007, 11:38 PM
+1 ShunZu

Autolycus
December 16, 2007, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by MEH: Tecumseh, You really hold Christians in high regard. I dont really hold any religion in higher regards to another. I just hold Mike Huckabee in an extremely low regard.

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 17, 2007, 12:06 AM
I suspect Mike Huckabee will come out of nowhere and get the nomination. He then becomes POTUS. After which he bans all religions except for Christianity. He then forces a Christian theocracy upon our country and we can only dream of freedom as they oppress us with their biblical based knowledge. He then bans guns for non-Christians.


Wow. BS. And not even gun related BS at that.


I think that out of spite for Bush and mainstream GOP, there will be enough vote-splitters to hand the election to Hillary. I think there will be some pretty sweeping anti-gun legislation, liberal SCOTUS appointees, and DoJ appointees in the first 2 years of the all-Dem federal government. I think this will energize the right spectrum of America to throw them out in 2010, and in 2012, but too much damage will be done, and even if the conservatives retake congress or the white house in 2010 and 2012, they will not be able to undo all of the damage done by the Dems. It only takes months to create new restrictive gun laws, but decades to undo them.

Autolycus
December 17, 2007, 12:10 AM
I just dont trust Mike Huckabee to not use religion to put into place his beliefs. I dont trust Romney either.

geekWithA.45
December 17, 2007, 12:18 AM
We stand on the precipice of victory.

Which oddly resembles the precipice of defeat.

MachIVshooter
December 17, 2007, 12:48 AM
We stand on the precipice of victory.

Which oddly resembles the precipice of defeat.

Well said.

ReadyontheRight
December 17, 2007, 12:58 AM
If the Dems win the Presidency...quickly buy a lot of regular capacity magazines and auto-loading shotguns and rifles. Also try to get real poor, real fast. Or become a lawyer.

If the Republicans win the Presidency...send an e-mail every day reminding them that "The 'M1 Garand of Damocles' is Hanging Over Your Head".

Your poll is not accurate. There is roughly one million percent less damage to RKBA with a Republican President - unless it's Rudy. Then it is 400 thousand percent less damage to 2A by Rudy than Hillary or other Democrat. But that is not the whole story...

Unfortunately, A Rudy nomination will result in a very strong, Conservative 3rd Party candidate and a Hillary win - hence the media push for Huckabee to take out Romney and put Rudy in the lead. Also, the Clintons have mega dirt on Rudy (Why is he not a U.S. Senator, right now?) and Hillary will skate in with 38-40% of the vote in a 3-way race. Even more pathetic than her husband's 43% (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_n5_v13/ai_13975244)

These numbers are scientific, tested and proven. As our Democratic opponents say: "look it up!"

BobbyQuickdraw
December 17, 2007, 03:50 AM
If Mike Huckabee becomes president both your guns and your religion is safe.
And how is my religion in danger in the first place?
__________________

I was responding to someone earlier who said Huckabee would, basically, make America a Christian society and outlaw everything else.

My comment was not meant to say Huckabee would protect any one religion, but rather he would pass no laws against any religion. It wouldn't be on anyones agenda or thoughts. Turn the other cheek and what not.

Also, what is wrong with a religious president? No matter who you are, you beliefs determine how you will act as President. Hillary has a set of beliefs, so does Ron Paul, so does Huckabee. Everyones faith and life affects how they will act.

I don't consider someone being Christian to be a bad thing, as many people apparently do. Saying that a Christian shouldn't be President if he's too religious is biased on your part and shows a lack of trust in others.

I'm not even religious and it doesn't play a big part in my life, but I support Huckabee's stances on nearly everything.

Regolith
December 17, 2007, 04:30 AM
If the Dems win the Presidency...quickly buy a lot of regular capacity magazines and auto-loading shotguns and rifles. Also try to get real poor, real fast.

The latter shouldn't be too hard, considering how much money you'd be spending on the former.

cyclist
December 17, 2007, 09:08 AM
I think the poll needs a few more options so I just boiled the frog, the frog is currently nameless.

I've heard more in the news and press about the democrat candidates than the Republicans, as I've also heard more in the press about Democrats who carry guns than about Republicans who carry guns. (Do you like how I kept the political comment "gun" related????? :rolleyes: )

I honestly could not name who the Republican candidates are who are currently in the active running, but I have been shopping for a new target gun recently. (In the side door :cool: )

I still get Ron Paul's name confused with Ru Paul's, that could concievably be his ultimate downfall - name-misrecognition. Maybe he needs to go duck hunting with Cheney, and Ru Paul. Would be interesting to see how the press would handle that outing.

Okay, I think I'll duck and run from this one. Monday morning and I may not make it to Friday at this rate. :eek:

mugsie
December 17, 2007, 09:23 AM
Obama wins and declares Shira Law. He issues AK47's to all believers (great way to get a free gun) and we have to wage war on the rest of the infidels. Hildabeast, as his second in command, imposes a tax upon all non believers who are forced to support her nationwide health plan. A win win all around for the democraps! Chavez, having no one to complain about now withers up and skulks off. The middle east, appeased by the new muslim leadership in the US, drops the price of oil down to $.39 per barrel but we all die when the global temperature rises to above the boiling point. the last words we all hear are Al Gore's, saying he was right all along and he invented the interned for nothing. :D
I'm going to have another drink (hic!).:neener:

Mannix
December 17, 2007, 09:46 AM
Ron Paul would be ideal from a 2ndA standpoint, Huckabee wouldn't be half bad either. Thompson is... well... Thompson. Rudy I don't trust at all, but he'd still be better than a Democrat, and I'd put McCain and Romney in the same boat with him.

If the ninth circuit, of all courts, says that the 2ndA is an individual right, I can't see a negative ruling from SCOTUS, I can however see them skirting the issue.

If the Dems try and push any gun control, it will cost them their majority, that's for sure.

I just dont trust Mike Huckabee to not use religion to put into place his beliefs. I dont trust Romney either.
Yes, Tecumseh, because anyone who would think of mentioning to G word must be plotting to institute a theocracy. I mean, all the founding fathers were atheists, right?

Me thinks they put some funny stuff in the water in Illinois :scrutiny:.

The Annoyed Man
December 17, 2007, 09:51 AM
Republican candidate wins by narrow margin (because even most Democrats can stomach Senator Clinton only because she's a female candidate, and it is important to make a statement by selecting her to run... ...besides her husband was already the country's "first black president," so they don't need to nominate Obama), but RKBA will have already won significant SCOTUS case as an individual right. The issue is off the table for the next 4 years, except for the loosening of CHL laws in those states that already have them.

You didn't offer a poll answer in which there was any possibility for good news. It is not a realistic poll, and I didn't answer it.

che_70b
December 17, 2007, 09:56 AM
With Obama gaining ground on Hillary I think it is possible that he will end up with the nomination instead of her. (thanks Opra:) ) This is good since he is less electable in a national election than her. She gets alot of support from the "a woman president would be neat" croud :barf:

Huckabe is also gaining ground fast in early states as real conservative and as generally likeable guy. He is far more electable in a national election that Obama. Lets not forget that governors have a far better track record of getting the big office than senators.

Ron Paul, while not having much of chance of getting elected will still help renew alot of peoples faith in an individuals ability to stand up for the constitution and be heard. The amount of support the man manages to get (money raised from REGULAR people, not the super wealthy and corprate entities and the "boots on the ground" support from those same people. I realize alot of his supporter are fairly out there, the normal I'm speaking of has less to do with the tinfoil content of their hats and more to do with their economic station.)

A good ruling from SCOTUS will do more to protect out 2nd amendment rights than any presidential candidate and I am very hopefull of this.

None of this will matter though when the Red Chinese army attacks us from tunnels prepaired by the Reptilian overlords.;)

romma
December 17, 2007, 09:56 AM
I think I'm gonna be :barf:

Close the light, I don't want to see more.

RoadkingLarry
December 17, 2007, 11:00 AM
Scotus rules the 2A as a collective "right", Anti-gun liberals in the legislature immediatly propose hundreds of new gun control laws and attmpt to implement UN small arms control policies.

Barrak Hussien Obama is elected POTUS by a 42% margin because the conservastive vote is split between those voting republican and those voting for a 3rd party out of principle.

The stock market goes into a death spiral in anticipation of the taxes about to be implemented by the new administration.

#shooter
December 17, 2007, 11:28 AM
Dems will win POTUS
Most Republican Congress members in blue states will be swept out of office
Many Republican Congress members in red states will have a 50/50 chance of getting booted

There will be more mass killings with “assault” rifles and pistols with high cap magazines.
SCOTUS will rule in favor of 2nd amendment as a individual right with restrictions, such as registration of firearms
There will be an attack at some public area and the Dems will try to pass new restrictions.

we shall see if the dems have changed thier tune on RKBA or if they are playing possum to win the presidency.

cyclist
December 17, 2007, 12:30 PM
You can't defeat an arsonist by outlawing matches.

It's not even Christmas/Holiday yet and some are already defeated.

I think I'll buy some Desinex for de feet for Christmas.

Please start a new poll with a better selection.

Thread lock in three, two, one,....

Superlite27
December 17, 2007, 12:47 PM
I'm with #shooter.

Now make it $.04

RKBABob
December 17, 2007, 01:59 PM
because anyone who would think of mentioning to G word must be plotting to institute a theocracy. I mean, all the founding fathers were atheists, right?Many were Deists. Deism was quite popular during the period of the Revolution, with trust in churches and revealed religion in general at a low. It is often referred to as "America's lost religion", as it fell from popularity almost overnight, and is largely unpracticed today. Many of our Founding Fathers may have held office in their local church, but their motivations may have been political... the churches were often also the courthouse, or city hall. Membership in the church was necessary to secure public office, in many areas. This is why we have a Constitution that forbids Congress from founding or endorsing a religion, and also forbids any test of religion for political candidates.

As for very religious candidates, today. If they can keep it to themselves, I'm OK with it. The problem is that they often cannot. Anyone remember the big "Sanctity of Marriage" hoopla? We do not need legislators to create a system of moral law... we already have one. Its called The 10 Commandments... Written and enforced by Almighty G-d Himself. The government need not get involved.

I can't support any candidate who calls himself a "conservative' and yet announces his desire to legislate morality into every private, and sensitive area of some people's lives. Or, for that matter, a guy proclaiming to be a pro-gun conservative who hails from anti-gun NYC!

v35
December 17, 2007, 03:08 PM
4. Ron Paul, while I see him highly favored on THR, imho is a little kooky.
Most non-gun owners think gun owners are a little kooky.
(Sorry, guys. I have a hard time considering him as a serious candidate).
So does anyone who gives any credibility to legacy news sources. Such thinking has gotten us to where we are today.

Dorryn
December 17, 2007, 03:23 PM
Anyone Tecumseh hates, thats who ill vote for. :)

DoubleTapDrew
December 17, 2007, 03:47 PM
Chuck Shumer leaves the Senate to become Attorney General.
Bill is appointed to replace him.

The socialist congress enacts total gun ban with retroactive penalties for possession, no grandfather clause and no amnesty. The bill is enacted on an "emergency" basis to become effective as soon as the President signs it. Hillary signs as soon as it gets to her desk and orders her ATF to begin a nationwide house to house confiscation of guns and round up of owners. All 4473 forms are confiscated from all gunshops, whose owners have been arrested under the new law as illegal weapons dealers. Armed with these, the ATF sets out on their mission!!
Gun owner concentration camps are set up across the country to house the newly declared terrorists per the enhanced Patriot Act.

That sounds a lot like the beginning of Red Dawn, minus the Cubans. Do we get to yell "Wolverines"?

I think 2008 could be a make-or break year for the 2A possibly starting with the Heller case in the SCOTUS and snowballing from there. I hope it rolls down the right hill.

AK103K
December 17, 2007, 04:11 PM
I think 2008 could be a make-or break year for the 2A possibly starting with the Heller case in the SCOTUS and snowballing from there. I hope it rolls down the right hill.
If we're lucky, the NRA was awake on this one and some of its collections went to the right judges coffers, and hopefully it was enough to pick the right slope. ;)

BobbyQuickdraw
December 17, 2007, 04:23 PM
Mugsie, if Shirah law was passed you wouldn't need a special tax for non-believers, because the Qu'ran literally says non-believers living in a Muslim land must pay a tax. (Before getting their heads cut off)

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And it's true many were Deists, but that still remains a monotheistic religion. It mostly maintained there was a God but he didn't deal directly with Earth. Like a Set it and Forget it type deal. Though that doesn't by any means imply they're not understanding, accepting, and embracing of Christian values.

No matter what the liberals and the ACLU try to tell you, America was founded on Christian values. It was discovered by Christians. Populated by Christians. It's part of America.

AK103K
December 17, 2007, 05:12 PM
It was discovered by Christians. Populated by Christians. It's part of America.
I believe the people who were here "first" might want to talk to you about this. Or dont they count due to the "official" time line? :)

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 17, 2007, 08:19 PM
I believe the people who were here "first" might want to talk to you about this. Or dont they count due to the "official" time line?

So this continent was called America before Christian Europeans came here?

BobbyQuickdraw was talking about America, not just the landmass that would later be called America.

AK103K
December 17, 2007, 08:25 PM
He said it was discovered by christians. Seems to me, they were a little late. But like all good anglos, they claimed it as their own. :)

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 17, 2007, 08:34 PM
So you're claiming others discovered America before it even was America? Alright then...

We're not talking about the dirt and stone that makes up this continent. We are talking about the Nation and Idea of "The United States of America". And that[this] nation and idea were indeed created and formed by Christians.

BridgeWalker
December 17, 2007, 09:16 PM
I predict this thread closed to bickering and insane drift well before 2008 begins. :rolleyes:

XavierBreath
December 17, 2007, 10:24 PM
I predict this thread closed to bickering and insane drift well before 2008 begins. Good call. It could have been a fun thread, but........

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