The REAL significance of the NYC city hall shooting


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hillbilly
July 23, 2003, 05:29 PM
Details coming out show NYC councilman was shot to death by a political rival who was upset that the councilman was trying
prevent the shooter's candidacy in the next election.

This case is proof, beyond all doubt that POLITICIANS cannot be trusted with guns.

We should take steps now to make sure this never happens again, and confiscate all guns owned by POLITICIANS.

hillbilly

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cordex
July 23, 2003, 05:33 PM
What about the guns indirectly controlled by the politicians?

Quantrill
July 23, 2003, 06:33 PM
Maybe all the politicians will eliminate each other. I agree that politicians cannot be trusted with guns and all politician guns should be confiscated and distributed to contributors of "The High Road". Quantrill

Hkmp5sd
July 23, 2003, 06:38 PM
What it means is that politicians and others of the elite class should not be exempt from the rules and regulations that the rest of us serfs have to live with. The councilman was allowed to bypass security when entering the building and he was allowed to escort other persons into the building without them being searched.

One thing I am curious about is whether the shooter had a NYC CCW permit. He was a fixture in the politics of NY and would appear to have had influence with the city's rulers.

Drjones
July 23, 2003, 07:07 PM
What about the guns indirectly controlled by the politicians? They especially cannot be trusted with those, and as such should most definitely not have any control whatsoever over those guns.

benewton
July 23, 2003, 07:29 PM
Listened to the Mayor's news conference, and heard what I thought was the most stupid comments I'd ever heard.

Heard a worse comment on later on Radio America, online via DSL, which claimed that the politician was " shot to death multiple times", which, I'm afraid, is probably not an exact quote, but which does make the point that they made.

And I will admit that there are a couple of people I'd like to do that to, but I seem to lack the capability to figure out how.

What was interesting to me was the level of alarm generated within the political class following the killing of one of their own members. They actually think that the rest of their population will be up in arms over the killing of one person, when, in fact, it'll not even drive up their murders/year statistics one iota.

Also important: the city cops were on site, and, per usual, unable to prevent the crime. Bad side was that he had his own sidearm, and didn't have time to use it.

Ah well, so it goes...

cliffdropover1
July 23, 2003, 08:03 PM
Here's a case for the fact that EVERYONE should go through security. Where I work, certain lawyers don't have to go through and I have been told that the only time an "incident" occured (elsewhere in my state) was when one lawyer shot another lawyer in a courtroom.

dinosaur
July 23, 2003, 08:13 PM
Actually the best is when Bloomingidiotberg said pilots and stews didn`t have to go through the metal detectors at the airport.:what:

I got a feeling this had absolutely nothing to do with politics. Call me an old cynic but I if I were the lead investigator I know what`s the first question I`d ask the shooter`s wife. :evil:

KC
July 23, 2003, 08:41 PM
And to think, that NYC with it's near prohibition on private ownership of handguns, that this happened. My, my my...weren't those laws so very sucessful here...

KC

El Tejon
July 23, 2003, 09:13 PM
KC, yes, gun control works. It keeps guns out of the hands of the law-abiding. It's not about crime; it's about control.

We have a "New York Reload." I hereby move that murdering your political opponent is a "New York Primary.":D

Yeah, metal detectors, that'll work.:D What complete morons.

They really must have genetic research to create a super stupid politicians out there. The UberEloi!!!:D

KC
July 23, 2003, 10:01 PM
"Yeah, metal detectors, that'll work."

No they won't! All those nasy black plastic guns that are invisible to x-ray machines will get through. I think that everyone entering or exiting the city council buildings across the country should be treated just like they were at the airport; except that now, all public officials get the intense, unfriendly scrutiny as it has been demonstrated that the would-be ruling class is the most liable to try to commit a violent crime on public property. After all, we should all be extra careful now. Do it for the children.

Wouldn't it be entertaining to see the mayor get strip-searched on his way to work next week, because he had <gasp> fingernail clippers on his person?:evil:

KC

cliffdropover1
July 23, 2003, 11:46 PM
KC--I agree with you, but those nasty little plastic guns DO show up on x-ray quite well. Even though the gun grabbers would like us to think otherwise. I know this, because I work one of those machines.

Navy joe
July 24, 2003, 12:07 AM
"New York Primary." :evil:

You sure that's not a failure to stop in the run-off election drill?

Gun control works kids!

Dr.Rob
July 24, 2003, 12:24 AM
"Guests" of the politicos didn't have to pass through the detectors huh?

Guess it's a good thing the BAD GUYS didn't know this.

Oh wait, that's how the manages to still make its payments on time.

"All Animals Are Created Equal, But Some Are More Equal Than Others."
-Orwell

KC
July 24, 2003, 01:29 AM
"those nasty little plastic guns DO show up on x-ray quite well"

I know. I have a Glock, and am able to realize that the only non-metal part of the thing is the frame and magazines. Any nanny-state idiot upon picking one up would understand that there would be no way to sneak one thru ariport metal detectors even pre-9/11, nevermind the metallic ammo a pistol would require.

It was a feeble attempt at sarcasm.

Now, the people building deringers out of high-yield composites and ceramic projectiles, on the other hand, would probably make life interesting for baggage screeners and x-ray machine jockeys.
Not that *I* have ever thought about how one might go about doing such a thing...

NIGHTWATCH
July 24, 2003, 03:12 AM
Bad side was that he had a sidearm and was unable to use it

Well usually, the person who is considering killing you is not standing by your side. Having spent the afternoon with you as a political associate. And premeditating a kill for God knows how long. This guy had just been introduced by Davis to a number of council members. He turned and BANG!...little chance of responding. And I suspect Davis had little reason to believe he had to, seconds before the first shot. I dont think he had a clue. Just my 2. :)

Hkmp5sd
July 24, 2003, 06:20 AM
Bad side was that he had a sidearm and was unable to use it

Isn't it interesting, however, that the councilman deemed it necessary to be armed in the city hall, while surrounded by armed guards, yet they deny the average person on the street without protection, the ability to defend themselves if they so choose?

Drjones
July 24, 2003, 05:35 PM
I know. I have a Glock, and am able to realize that the only non-metal part of the thing is the frame and magazines. Any nanny-state idiot upon picking one up would understand that there would be no way to sneak one thru ariport metal detectors even pre-9/11, nevermind the metallic ammo a pistol would require.


No offense, but are you sure you have a Glock? :scrutiny:

The frame DOES have a fair amount of metal in it (like the slide rails) and the magazines are lined with metal too, or at least have metal lips.

Drjones
July 24, 2003, 05:37 PM
Isn't it interesting, however, that the councilman deemed it necessary to be armed in the city hall, while surrounded by armed guards, yet they deny the average person on the street without protection, the ability to defend themselves if they so choose? Oh me, oh my! How delightfully odd!

I would LOVE to hear the nice councilman's explanation for this!

And isn't it funny how his name isn't getting dragged through the mud for being *gasp* ARMED!

:scrutiny: :banghead:

Lictalon
July 24, 2003, 05:45 PM
On a slightly diffrent note, I was listening to New Hampshire Pinko Radio, and they were discussing the possibilities of additional security in NH's halls of government. Apparently there has been no increase in security in Concord, even despite 9/11...and no urge for metel detectors.

The reason? Apparently so many of Concord's 600+ legistlators are armed that it would be too much of a problem...and that there's actually a weapon's locker for the rep's weapons. :eek:

I love this state. :cool:

Croyance
July 25, 2003, 08:35 PM
A real significance to the NYC shooting is that city council members around the country will be installing cameras, metal detectors, and adding guards with TAX money to protect their own safety.

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