VA-ALERT: Do your part now! - 47 Senators sign letter on National Park carry!!!


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W.E.G.
December 18, 2007, 09:53 AM
VA-ALERT: Do your part now! - 47 Senators sign letter on National Park carry!!!


Pressure on the Department of the Interior (DOI) to change the rules in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges to allow law-abiding gun owners to carry guns for self-defense has just increased dramatically!

**Forty-seven** Senators have co-signed a letter from Senator Mike Crapo to Dirk Kempthorne, Secretary of the Department of the Interior
(DOI) asking DOI to allow state law to determine if guns can be carried in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges in that state!

The letter (and a link to the PDF version of the letter) is below.

Virginia Senator Jim Webb signed the letter. Senator John Warner, as usual, was no where to be found.

The NRA was apparently instrumental in getting this letter generated - good job. Now we need to help make this actually happen.

ACTION ITEMS:

First, let's thank Senator Webb for supporting this effort and encourage him to continue putting pressure on DOI to do the right thing.

We also need to contact Senator Warner and urge him to let DOI know that he, too, supports Senator Crapo's efforts.

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For Senator Webb's web mail, click here:

http://webb.senate.gov/contact/

Subject - select "Civil Liberty"

Suggested message:

I would like to thank you for signing Senator Crapo's letter to the Department of the Interior! Please keep pressure on the Department of the Interior to allow state law to determine if law-abiding citizens are able to carry firearms for self-defense while they are visiting National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges!

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For Senator Warner's web mail, click here:

http://warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

Subject - select "Second Amendment"

Suggested message:

I urge you to send a letter to the Department of the Interior supporting the efforts of Senator Crapo and 46 other Senators to allow state law to determine if law-abiding citizens can carry a firearm for self-defense while visiting National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges. The right for a citizen to defend himself is both Constitutionally protected and is not negotiable.

Please let me know what you are going to do.

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Here is a link to the letter and the text of the letter:

http://www.nraila.org/Media/PDFs/kempthorne_ltr.pdf

United States Senate
WASHINGTON, DC 20510

December 14, 2007

The Honorable Dirk Kempthorne
Secretary
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, NW.
Washington DC 20240

Dear Secretary Kempthorne:

We write today concerning a longstanding effort to have the National Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service remove their prohibitions on law-abiding citizens from transporting and carrying firearms on lands managed by these agencies.
We appeal to
you on this matter in the interest of Second Amendment rights and consistency in firearms policy across federal public land management agencies.

As you know, 36 CFR 2.4, applicable to the National Park Service, and 50 CFR 27.42, applicable to the Fish and Wildlife Service, prohibits individuals from possessing a firearm on lands managed by those agencies - even citizens with valid concealed weapons permits.

These regulations infringe on the rights of law-abiding gun owners, who wish to transport and carry firearms on or across these lands. Also, you will note that other federal land management agencies, such as the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service allow transporting and carrying of firearms on these lands in accordance with the laws of the host state. These inconsistencies in firearms regulations for public lands are confusing, burdensome, and unnecessary.

For these reasons, we support an exception to 36 CFR 2.4 and 50 CFR
27.42 to allow
law-abiding citizens to transport and carry firearms consistent with state law where the National Park Service's sites and the National Wildlife Refuges are located. Such regulatory changes would respect the Second Amendment rights of law- abiding gun owners, while providing a consistent application of state weapons laws across all land ownership boundaries.

We appreciate the opportunity to share our concerns with you. Please treat this letter in conformance with all applicable procedural rules and ethical guidelines.

Sincerely,

Senator Mike Crapo

Senator Max Baucus

Senator Larry Craig

Senator Tim Johnson

Senator Jim Inhofe

Senator Jon Tester

Senator David Vitter

Senator Mark Pryor

Senator Gordon Smith

Senator Blanche Lincoln

Senator Orrin Hatch

Senator Byron Dorgan

Senator Norm Coleman

Senator Ben Nelson

Senator Tom Coburn

Senator Jim Webb

Senator Judd Gregg

Senator Lisa Murkowski

Senator John Ensign

Senator John Sununu

Senator Ted Stevens

Senator Robert Bennett

Senator Saxby Chambliss

Senator Thad Cochran

Senator Johnny Isakson

Senator John Bunning

Senator Wayne Allard

Senator John Thune

Senator Chuck Grassley

Senator Bob Corker

Senator Trent Lott

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison

Senator Pat Roberts

Senator Mel Martinez

Senator John Cornyn

Senator Richard Shelby

Senator Chuck Hagel

Senator Lindsey Graham

Senator Elizabeth Dole

Senator Mike Enzi

Senator John McCain

Senator John Barrasso

Senator Sam Brownback

Senator Pete Domenici

Senator Jim DeMint

Senator Jeff Sessions

Senator Jon Kyl

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VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
(VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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ZeSpectre
December 18, 2007, 10:37 AM
Write the letters folks. Getting uniform carry laws here is going to be a big step towards restoring our rights.

bp78
December 18, 2007, 10:45 AM
Sent Sen Burr/R-NC a letter to endorse this as our other Senator already has (Dole)

EDIT -- Wednesday Morning -- I just got a phone call from an assistant at Senator Burr's office and was told that they'll be contacting Senator Dole's office for more details to also sign this letter. :)
Very surprised to get a call back. Usually when I lobby State lawmakers I at best get an email back from them 1/2 to 1/3 of the time. Never a call back, and never from a Senator. I'm just glad we have two, openly pro-2A Senators in NC.

kludge
December 18, 2007, 11:02 AM
With as many pro-gun people as there are in Indiana, you'd think we have pro-gun Senators.

We do not. :(

ExSoldier
December 18, 2007, 12:47 PM
Pressure on the Department of the Interior (DOI) to change the rules in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges to allow law-abiding gun owners to carry guns for self-defense has just increased dramatically!

**Forty-seven** Senators have co-signed a letter from Senator Mike Crapo to Dirk Kempthorne, Secretary of the Department of the Interior (DOI) asking DOI to allow state law to determine if guns can be carried in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges in that state!

The letter (and a link to the PDF version of the letter) is below.

Virginia Senator Jim Webb signed the letter. Senator John Warner, as usual, was no where to be found.

The NRA was apparently instrumental in getting this letter generated - good job. Now we need to help make this actually happen.

For those who are not in the loop, the Dept of Interior allows lawful concealed weapons carry in National Forests, but forbids it in National Parks. This letter is an effort (started by VCDL a couple years ago) to get them to chage their rules so that weapons carry is governed by the laws of the states where the parks are located.
Here is a link to the letter and the text of the letter:

http://www.nraila.org/Media/PDFs/kempthorne_ltr.pdf

United States Senate
WASHINGTON, DC 20510

December 14, 2007

The Honorable Dirk Kempthorne
Secretary
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, NW.
Washington DC 20240

Dear Secretary Kempthorne:

We write today concerning a longstanding effort to have the National
Park Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service remove their prohibitions on law-abiding citizens from transporting and carrying firearms on lands managed by these agencies. We appeal to you on this matter in the interest of Second Amendment rights and consistency in firearms policy across federal public land management agencies.

As you know, 36 CFR 2.4, applicable to the National Park Service, and
50 CFR 27.42, applicable to the Fish and Wildlife Service, prohibits individuals from possessing a firearm on lands managed by those agencies - even citizens with valid concealed weapons permits.

These regulations infringe on the rights of law-abiding gun owners,
who wish to transport and carry firearms on or across these lands. Also, you will note that other federal land management agencies, such as the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service allow transporting and carrying of firearms on these lands in accordance with the laws of the host state. These inconsistencies in firearms regulations for public lands are confusing, burdensome, and unnecessary.

For these reasons, we support an exception to 36 CFR 2.4 and 50 CFR
27.42 to allow law-abiding citizens to transport and carry firearms consistent with state law where the National Park Service's sites and the National Wildlife Refuges are located. Such regulatory changes would respect the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners, while providing a consistent application of state weapons lawsacross all land ownership boundaries.

We appreciate the opportunity to share our concerns with you. Please
treat this letter in conformance with all applicable procedural rules and ethical guidelines.

Sincerely,

Senator Mike Crapo

Senator Max Baucus

Senator Larry Craig

Senator Tim Johnson

Senator Jim Inhofe

Senator Jon Tester

Senator David Vitter

Senator Mark Pryor

Senator Gordon Smith

Senator Blanche Lincoln

Senator Orrin Hatch

Senator Byron Dorgan

Senator Norm Coleman

Senator Ben Nelson

Senator Tom Coburn

Senator Jim Webb

Senator Judd Gregg

Senator Lisa Murkowski

Senator John Ensign

Senator John Sununu

Senator Ted Stevens

Senator Robert Bennett

Senator Saxby Chambliss

Senator Thad Cochran

Senator Johnny Isakson

Senator John Bunning

Senator Wayne Allard

Senator John Thune

Senator Chuck Grassley

Senator Bob Corker

Senator Trent Lott

Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison

Senator Pat Roberts

Senator Mel Martinez

Senator John Cornyn

Senator Richard Shelby

Senator Chuck Hagel

Senator Lindsey Graham

Senator Elizabeth Dole

Senator Mike Enzi

Senator John McCain

Senator John Barrasso

Senator Sam Brownback

Senator Pete Domenici

Senitor Jim DeMint

Senator Jeff Sessions

Senator Jon Kyl

frankie_the_yankee
December 18, 2007, 01:00 PM
I can see my two senators from the great state of Texas are on board.

General Geoff
December 18, 2007, 01:03 PM
Here's to hoping the DOI actually listens.

Henry Bowman
December 18, 2007, 01:07 PM
I can see my two senators from the great state of Texas are on board.And my two from Ohio are not. :banghead"

brighamr
December 18, 2007, 01:10 PM
Just a question and/or comment. How will this effect state parks residing in multiple states? For example, Yellowstone resides in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho.

So if this letter were to pass, and the states regulate the laws, I would need to know all three states laws while camping in yellowstone?

I know this is a nit-picking question, but I really am curious if someone could enlighten me.


Forgot to mention, both my senators are on board :-) Baucus and Tester

strat81
December 18, 2007, 01:10 PM
Hagel and Nelson are on board. Sweet. Hopefully it gets pushed through!

Mannix
December 18, 2007, 01:16 PM
Just a question and/or comment. How will this effect state parks residing in multiple states? For example, Yellowstone resides in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho.

So if this letter were to pass, and the states regulate the laws, I would need to know all three states laws while camping in yellowstone?

I know this is a nit-picking question, but I really am curious if someone could enlighten me.

All three states recognize the other's carry permits, and all three are free(no permit required) open carry states. They also recognize UT permits, if you have one of those. My assumption(I could be entirely wrong, though, how does that saying go again? :)) would be that the same carry restrictions that would apply in the rest of ID/WY/MT, will also be applicable in the respective parts of the park, but their laws being pretty similar, I don't think that it'll be that big of a deal.

Anyway, I'm glad to see at least one of my senators up there, the other, who supports the AWB, is of course absent.

brighamr
December 18, 2007, 01:29 PM
Thank you for the response. Yellowstone was a bad example. Take a National Park in two very different states (Death Valley National Park, nevada and california). How would anyone from Nevada, who is carrying a non-california legal gun, be legal in the california side of the park? Again, this is just nit-picking honest question, maybe we wont know until we know.

Another thing, for those of you who have senators on this thing, please take time to thank them: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?

If your senator isn't on this, let them know why they should be... or why you wont be voting for them come re-election time: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?

ilbob
December 18, 2007, 01:29 PM
would be a heck of a thing, but since the NPS recently revisited this issue already and declined to change the policy, I suspect it may not amount to much. But, it probably does not hurt any to try.

30 cal slob
December 18, 2007, 01:34 PM
Are national seashores covered as well?

ID_shooting
December 18, 2007, 01:38 PM
"would be a heck of a thing, but since the NPS recently revisited this issue already and declined to change the policy, I suspect it may not amount to much. But, it probably does not hurt any to try."

That was before my former, very pro-gun, governor Dirk Kempthorne was put in charge.

"How will this effect state parks residing in multiple states? For example, Yellowstone resides in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho."

At least for Yeloowstone, these three states have reciporicity (sp?) with each other, non-issue there.

ServiceSoon
December 18, 2007, 01:38 PM
The Indiana senators suck. I'll write them a letter tonight...

kd7nqb
December 18, 2007, 01:53 PM
Senator Gordon Smith from Oregon Signed by Ron Wyden did not, they both will get letters from me today.

Winchester 73
December 18, 2007, 01:54 PM
One of my Florida Senator's Bill Nelson appears to be MIA as to be expected by this anti-gunner.
It appears from the Senators' letter that they are requesting all NPS lands to be included which would cover National Monuments,Seashores,Military Parks,etc.I hope thats what it would cover,everything.

ky_man
December 18, 2007, 02:11 PM
If you are in KY, write:

Jim Bunning (http://bunning.senate.gov/public/)

and

Mitch McConnell (http://mcconnell.senate.gov/)

TallPine
December 18, 2007, 02:33 PM
In the unincorporated Montana portions of YNP, you could even carry concealed without a permit. Not sure about WY and ID ... somehow I thought ID had the same "outside city limits" exception that MT does?

AntiqueCollector
December 18, 2007, 02:41 PM
Mine aren't on the list, but that's no surprise. I hope this gets somewhere. A majority did not sign, but we got almost half to sign, that's good. I wish a law would be passed reversing the NPS's policy if they don't change it voluntarily, but that could be difficult.

damien
December 18, 2007, 02:47 PM
Why didn't these Senators do this when they had about 8 more friendly votes a year ago and just put it in as an amendment to the DOI's appropriation bill as a matter of law? This looks silly, the Congress having to ask a department to change a regulation. Congress should tell them what to do as a matter of law.

waynesan
December 18, 2007, 03:12 PM
From Tennessee Sen. Corker is on board. However, Sen. Lamar Alexander would not sign. I called his office and his staff person told me the Senator felt like the law "as is" has been working pretty well and he would not be calling for a change unless the Dept. of Interior felt like the change was necessary. Not too good for a man who ran as a "strong supporter of Second Amendment Rights" in my opinion.

rjohnson4405
December 18, 2007, 04:03 PM
Both mine got letters, neither one signed it! :cuss:

Sistema1927
December 18, 2007, 04:11 PM
Neither Hillary Clinton nor Barack Obama signed this?

Shocked, just shocked I tell you.

(Good for "Saint Pete" of NM to be on board, I just hope that we can elect a worthy successor to him.)

GunTech
December 18, 2007, 04:43 PM
Both my senators signed, and their both democrats - Motana democrats, which means their more 'Republican' that Romney or Giuliani.

Of course, we have bear attacks such here. And they've even been known to eat people.

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/newshound/2007/12/grizzly-attacks.html

http://www.livestockweekly.com/papers/01/11/08/whlbears.asp

Clipper
December 18, 2007, 05:07 PM
Sarcasm switch on - What!! my beloved senators Levin and Stabenow aren't signed on?? Say it isn't so... - sarcasm switch off. :barf:

Legionnaire
December 18, 2007, 05:51 PM
MIA: Arlen Specter, Bob Casey. :mad:

Emails sent.

Winchester 73
December 18, 2007, 08:25 PM
Legionnaire,
Sad the state with 550,000 CCW holders more than any other,1 million hunters more than any other and their 2 State Senators are MIA on this vital issue?
Again it goes back to the Keystone State voters putting the Casey's ,Specter's and Fast Eddie's into office.You had Santorum the biggest 2A booster in the Senate.Now you got?
When will they ever learn?Let's hope 2008 starts to turn the tide.

FieroCDSP
December 19, 2007, 11:41 AM
Ohio: Voinovich(R) and Brown(D). Emails sent. Buckeyes, get on it!!!

FieroCDSP
December 19, 2007, 11:42 AM
Of course, we have bear attacks such here. And they've even been known to eat people

Who? THe bears or your senators?:D

bp78
December 19, 2007, 12:05 PM
I just got a phone call from an assistant at Senator Burr's (R-NC) office and was told that they'll be contacting Senator Dole's office for more details to also sign this letter. I'm just glad we have two, openly pro-2A Senators for NC.

ZeSpectre
December 20, 2007, 09:47 AM
Just got off the phone with Sen Warner's office.
Got a bit of a runaround at first but then had a pleasant conversation with an aide who promised to pass along my thoughts/concerns.

Don't know if they actually will, but I'm also writing a second letter (and including the aide's name) so if they don't pass the call along they may face some heat <grin>.

ID_shooting
December 24, 2007, 07:54 AM
"In the unincorporated Montana portions of YNP, you could even carry concealed without a permit. Not sure about WY and ID ... somehow I thought ID had the same "outside city limits" exception that MT does?"

Kind of, the wording is really vauge; IC Title 18, ch 33

"(12) The requirement to secure a license to carry a concealed weapon under
this section shall not apply to the following persons:...

...d) Any person outside the limits of or confines of any city while
engaged in lawful hunting, fishing, trapping or other lawful outdoor
activity;:

Not sure what "other lawful outdoor activity" is defined as, but I can imagine quite a few things.

Nix
December 24, 2007, 08:00 AM
i still cant quit laughing that theres a senator with the name crapo... sorry childish i know, its 3am gimmie a break.

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