TX: Woman Shoots Intruder


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July 23, 2003, 07:38 PM
Woman shoots boy, 13, in house
07/21/2003
By ANDREW NELSON / The Dallas Morning News

Kylie Smith said she would usually expect to grab her shotgun when faced
with someone unknown in her house. Saturday night, for reasons she can't
explain, she reached for the smallest-caliber gun she owns, a 9mm
pistol, when her security alarm sounded.

Ms. Smith, a 28-year-old mother of two, shot a 13-year-old boy who was
in her house Saturday night. The boy was in fair condition Sunday at
Baylor University Medical Center.

The boy and his family could not be reached for comment Sunday. A person
at the boy's house declined to comment.

Police said no arrests had been made Sunday.
Ms. Smith and her children were staying with her ill grandmother
Saturday evening when her alarm company called just before 11 p.m. to
notify her that her alarm had gone off. She hurried home, calling the
police twice on her cellphone. She was on the phone with a police
dispatcher at the time of the incident.

After she pulled into the driveway of her house in the 1600 block of
Poplar Avenue, the alarm was making a racket, so she went inside and
shut it off. She said she then opened her gun safe, pulled out the
handgun and began checking the house to see what was missing.
She noticed that the window air-conditioning unit on one side of her
house was missing. .

As she checked her home, she approached her bathroom. To her left she
saw the closet door begin to open and a figure begin to move out of the
closet, she said.

"I aimed for the throat and I pulled the trigger," Ms. Smith said.

She said she screamed at him, telling him not to get up, turned on the
lights, and realized that she had shot a young neighbor.

Ms. Smith said she had no idea how old he was, did not know whether he
had a weapon and feared for her life when she shot him.

"I hate that he's 13, but the thing is, if I had to do it all over
again, there would be no hesitation," she said.

Two signs in the front yard of Ms. Smith's house and numerous stickers
on the windows indicate that there is a security alarm. "There's over 12
postings outside of my house," she said.

She said she feels that she did what she had to do.

"Sadly said, this is what has to take place for him to learn a lesson,"
Ms. Smith said.

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spacemanspiff
July 23, 2003, 07:48 PM
in a way, this reminds me of the shooting of the two theives at the church in Big Lake, Alaska. one main difference is that the homeowner contacted police first.
some of the same things may have been going through this homeowners mind, such as 'will whomever in there set the house on fire?'
that 13 yr old knew what he was doing was wrong, alarms going off, breaking through a window, and then after the alarm stops going off to continue in the house.

i dont want to armchair qb this, but i'd like to believe that i would have the resolve to know exactly what i am shooting at before pulling the trigger.

Standing Wolf
July 23, 2003, 08:54 PM
"I hate that he's 13, but the thing is, if I had to do it all over again, there would be no hesitation," she said.

Plenty of thirteen-year-old kids in our nation pack heat, burn down houses, rape women, et cetera.

seeker_two
July 23, 2003, 08:58 PM
Where I work (Texas Youth Commission--commonly known as Prison Prep School), we have several "children" that age with a long history of assaults, armed robberies, rapes, and murders. Have NO DOUBT that someone that age can kill you--ask the Russians and Israelis...:fire:

She did what she had to do. And she came out of it without injury. That's a good thing...

she reached for the smallest-caliber gun she owns, a 9mm

What does she USUALLY use for SD, a .454 Casull?...:what:

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 24, 2003, 01:24 AM
Seems to me that in a followup story in the Dallas Morning News it reported she was on her cell phone from the time she entered the house until after the shooting. DPD comments seem to be that she was fully justified.

13 year old kids are fully as capable of evil as 30 year old Goblins. Looks like this one will survive just fine, but his new nickname will be Froggy. Maybe this can be called Childhood Intervention.

Regards,
Rabbit.

DrPsycho
July 24, 2003, 01:57 AM
Why should the age of an intruder matter?

IMO if he hadn't been shot, but "detained" at gunpoint until the police arrived, he would have got off without much more than a slap on the wrist as punishment.

chetrogers
July 24, 2003, 02:16 AM
I dont think i would have done the same but its easy for me to say that while I'm sitting at my computer in real life I'm sure its different.I would have my gun out and all but if i wasn't threatened i would of tried to keep the kid hostage till the police got there.I will kill for my family but not for my air-conditioner.Maybe thats just the Democrat in me :)

But being a very big guy i might not get intimidated as much as the Lady did.And i agree with what somebody said in a few post up kids today are capable of rape,killing,ect...

Just my thoughts

Geech
July 24, 2003, 03:01 AM
The problem with that, chetrogers, is that you can't determine the intent of the perp. How do you know he's going to stop at the AC, or that he wasn't armed? Sure sounds like she didn't get a good look at him before she fired.

chetrogers
July 24, 2003, 03:30 AM
I think there has to be a good reason to kill somebody..I cant see my self thinking well what if he charges me,so i mite as well shoot him now.His intent would be judged on what he is doing at the time..If he is rushing at her or pointing a gun ect at her then his intent would be deadly but i dont think in this situation was deadly.But i wasnt in the situation so its just speculation on my point.By how i read the story she just sall somebody moving and shot.I would of done it all differently.but thats just me

only1asterisk
July 24, 2003, 03:43 AM
The lady had plenty reason for me. She can home and found him in her house at 11pm. That enough. The missing A/C unit probably provided the point of entry, as they are easy to remove quietly. Honestly, I would advise anyone in that situation to wait for the police, but we all know that most police depts. don't consider home alarms a priority. I'll not second guess the lady. Pity about the kids age, but kids this age are capable of shocking criminality.


David

4v50 Gary
July 24, 2003, 11:22 AM
Irrelevant that he's 13. He's trespassing and knew he wasn't suppose to be there. You make your choices and you takes your chances and any lickings that come with it.

DadOfThree
July 24, 2003, 12:03 PM
"I hate that he's 13, but the thing is, if I had to do it all over again, there would be no hesitation" she said
"Sadly said, this is what has to take place for him to learn a lesson,"
Gotta love Texas women!!

MLH
July 24, 2003, 12:25 PM
Knowing the police were on the way she should have just waited outside. What if there had been no one inside but her and the police came and found her inside with a gun in hand. They could have mistook her for a BG and shot her. This didn't happen of course but it's something to think about before you go rushing in.

wingman
July 24, 2003, 01:09 PM
Why should the age of an intruder matter?

Exactly my thoughts, no one has a right to be in your home uninvited..........

tommytrauma
July 24, 2003, 01:20 PM
Wonder why she went into the house?

Ethical considerations aside (burglar gets shot, it's his own Damn fault), tactically and pragmatically she made some really bad choices. She thought the situation was dangerous enough to warrant arming herself, but she initially entered the house unarmed? If the perp did have evil intentions, she's lucky he waited until she got to the gun safe and armed herself. Besides, as most of us here know, it's impossible for a single person working alone to clear a house safely.


I hope the civil lawsuit doesn't maul her too badly.

Sean Smith
July 24, 2003, 01:55 PM
I don't mind burglars getting shot, but her behavior (entering a house you think was broken into alone and unarmed) doesn't necessarily seem that sensible.

chadintex
July 24, 2003, 08:16 PM
I agree that she should have waited for the cops on a tactical level, but I believe that she was right in shooting the burglar, age is immaterial.

Spot77
July 24, 2003, 08:29 PM
Only1asterisk Quote:

The missing A/C unit probably provided the point of entry, as they are easy to remove quietly

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But for a 13 year old? The A/C unit being removed would make me think that there was more than one intruder, or at the least a decent sized person. Heck, for all we know this 13 year old could have been 6'2, 210 pounds; it's pretty common now......

I'm not arguing your point, I'm just pointing out another point.

God bless the woman.

Ya' know, if she hadn't shot the kid, he'd be thinking, "Wow, she's got guns in there that I can steal next time; I know SHE won't shoot...."

Orthonym
July 24, 2003, 08:31 PM
It's not in the Rules of Conduct here, and the software won't let me look at the registration form again, but I seem to recall that one must claim to be 13 years old to register here. Isn't that also the traditional age for Bar Mitzvah, when one is presumed fit to bear arms, stand in battle, speak in council, etc.? It's certainly over the traditional age of reason; seven years.

only1asterisk
July 24, 2003, 11:00 PM
Just some speculation about the a/c. Window units vary a bit in weight, as do 13 year-old boys. Not that they didn't have to pick it up off the ground, they just had to lower it down from the window. Again, just a guess. The widow in question could be 12 feet of the ground and the boy could be 4' tall for all I know.

The lady should have waited OUTSIDE (and around the corner) IMHO, but I can't judge her. She has every right to enter and secure her own dwelling if that is her choice.


David

280PLUS
July 25, 2003, 08:38 AM
if he's smart enough to know to gain entry through the window a/c he's old enough to get shot

thats a well known trick amongst the pros, so he's no newbie at it, i'll bet

i am a little surprised she entered unarmed knowing she had to get to and unlock the safe to arm herself

shes lucky on that count, i'd say

m

just goes to show you though,,, always screw them window a/c's in tight with big fat screws so the goblins can't just come along and pull them out without trouble and noise,,,

RustyHammer
July 25, 2003, 12:41 PM
Story doesn't say whether he had a weapon?

(Not that I would check is I.D. or pockets either.)

Just curious.

HankB
July 25, 2003, 01:01 PM
i'd like to believe that i would have the resolve to know exactly what i am shooting at before pulling the trigger.One might debate tactics and such, but it seems to me she certainly knew what she was shooting at - an uninvited intruder in her own house at night. An intruder who didn't run like heck once the alarms started blaring. No reasonable person would regard such as anything BUT a real, immediate, threat.

Also, notice how she called the cops repeatedly on her cell phone, and she still got there before "help" arrived? ("...calling the police twice on her cellphone. She was on the phone with a police dispatcher at the time of the incident...")

And they didn't even arrest the perp when they got there. ("Police said no arrests had been made Sunday.")

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