[VacuumJockey]

See the oddity here: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/12/us-police-get-g.html#more

[wuchak]

It's pretty clever. I'm sure it will be in a big movie sometime soon.

[19-3Ben]

Man, there is nobody who is more consistenly ahead of their time in weapons development than the Israelis.
I remember reading about these about a year and a half ago and that they were in use in Israel. Neat set-up.

[buzz_knox]

It's pretty clever. I'm sure it will be in a big movie sometime soon.

It's already been "featured" on CSI: Miami if I recall correctly.

[Mulliganpaintdee]

wow, thats really clever, I imagine it needs a lot of getting used to

[TexasRifleman]

It's pretty clever. I'm sure it will be in a big movie lawsuit sometime soon.

Fixed it for you......

[NORTEXED]

Yea, they dedicated a CSI Miami episode to it last season. Pretty cool, they said they were Israeli, and restricted in this country (what ever that means).

[Flame Red]

That was featured on 'Future Weapons' a while back. Interesting that Germans in WW2 had a curved barrel that allowed them to shoot around corners. It was designed for tankers originally.

[cyclist]

Looks sort of like a pistol held in a hinged shoulder stock.

A civilian would probably need to register/tax it as an AOW or something, could be handy inside a home.

Don't know if a pic-link will work here:
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/14/cornershot_2_21_corner_rifle.jpg

[mbt2001]

Why are they restricted? Or are they?

Not to mention, cover and concealment are not the same things. You just shoot into the corner where the thing is looking at you. I am not trying to bust their bubble, but having a new toy doesn't mean victory. Half the time, in that video, had you shot into the corner the operators would be toast.

[Autolycus]

So they gave up their rifles for pistols? It seems a good idea, but I am not sure it will be as useful as everyone thinks it will be.

[Autolycus]

Notice at 4:00 into the video that the "operator" had placed the gun into a hole to peak around the corner. It was convenient that the wall was perfect except for the one place it would give the advertisement the most effect.

[ugaarguy]

So they gave up their rifles for pistols? It seems a good idea, but I am not sure it will be as useful as everyone thinks it will be.
If I remember correctly from watching the episode of Future Weapons which featured this thing, they fired a variety of pistols, SMGs, and carbines which had been bolted into these.
A civilian would probably need to register/tax it as an AOW or something,
With a pistol mounted in it I'm pretty sure you'd have a SBR at that point. If you put a 16" bbl carbine into it I don't see why it wouldn't be considered a replacement stock. I guess in places like CA, NJ, and other states with their own AWBs it would be a folding stock and be restricted. Otherwise, something lightweight like a Carbon-15 or a Kel-Tec Carbine mounted in one should keep it legal and not make it too front heavy.

[lance22]

LOL - who hasn't seen that thing three years ago? Besides, it's not like the concept is new.

[rallyhound]

Problem is that many/most corners or walls offer poor cover.

[Eightball]

So, they took a handy, small, lightweight weapon and lots of training, made it three or four times longer, made it clumsy, gave it a hinge, and slapped a camcorder on there.

In exchange for something the size of a nice shotgun or AR, you get a pistol, lots of plastic, and electronics to look under beds with!

Sorry, but I'm kinda nonplussed by the whole thing. Rather than rush in there and retain the element of surprise, they smash windows, and peek this claw-ish looking thing around with a pistol, and scan everywhere rather than coordinate, plan, rush in (while putting their training and expertise to the test), and not only overwhelm the BG but act before the BG can contemplate and react? I dunno about everyone else, but my local LEA has too many expensive toys that sit unused in a gunlocker for me to think that something like this could be useful.

[HatFried]

Ahhh the corner shot... FutureWeapons did a piece about the latest...um varient just recently:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=W0Q7MLR89p8

[Sam1911]

I'd like to see one in .308 or maybe 12 ga. with slugs. Or a 7.62 assault rifle on auto.

Really I just want to watch what happens when it recoils along the bore axis and the bore axis is 60 degrees out of line with the shooter's shoulder!

Yes, you can control a 9mm Baretta this way. I think a larger weapon will provide lots of opportunities for "America's Funniest LEO/Military Videos!"

-S

[Hkmp5sd]

With a pistol mounted in it I'm pretty sure you'd have a SBR at that point. If you put a 16" bbl carbine into it I don't see why it wouldn't be considered a replacement stock.

I think it would fall more under the AOW category like the brief cases that let you shoot from inside for the MP5K and MAC subguns. Attached to a handgun and folded for corner shots, it is not designed to be fired from the shoulder, so it does not meet the definition of a SBR.

[Erik]

I've handled one of these.

High CDI factor with little practical use was the consensus.

[CWL]

They go thru all that trouble and then mount a Beretta 9mm on it?

This is old old news, the Germans had a curved-barrel+mirror attachment (Krummlauf?) issued to their assault rifles that allowed them to fire around corners. They were used during street fighting over 60 years ago.

[Pumpkinheaver]

CWL, you beat me to it. A modern rendition of an old concept.

[W.E.G.]

Old school is more appealing.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/grenade.jpg

[buttrap]

I bet fur covered toilet seats are more usefull in the winter than that thing. The previous picture says it all.

[plexreticle]

Looks like extra crap to carry around and keep track of.

[kludge]

The device breaks rule #1 and #4.

Replace my field of view with a 4" LCD screen? No thanks.

Yep, it won't be long before some robo-cop-wannabe shoot an innocent.

The more you make it like a video game the less likely you are to think before you pull the trigger.

[kludge]

High CDI factor

Translation?

[kludge]

How do your argue that your life was in immediate danger when the BG can't see you?

[greg700]

Those things are retarded. You give up a tremendous amount of firepower and speed. It is a pistol on an extension with a video camera. You have a very small field of view and you lose the ability to react quickly if the situation changes.

[Waitone]

Looks like extra crap to carry around and keep track of. No, you just go out and hire someone else, give them specialized training, and tax the sheep to support another sheepdog.

[shamus]

The Sturmgewehr 44 had a curved barrel for shooting around corners.

Not a new idea, really..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/shamus005/stg44c.jpg

[esq_stu]

How do your argue that your life was in immediate danger when the BG can't see you?

wrong rules of engagement - I assume the target market would be those engaging active shooters

I concur it's a gimmick that may never get used. We'll see. . . or maybe not - we rarely get the details of urban street fights in Iraq or Israel.

[Erik]

CDI = Chicks Dig It; i.e. "cool guy" stuff.

Sorry, I should have spelled it out or used something else.

[Erik]

Oh, and the MSRP is somewhere around $5,000, iirc.

[ironvic]

Silly toy. So, I see it has a rail on the "inside" top--probably so you can straighten it out for 99.99% of it's usefulness and have a shoulder weapon that's not quite as good as a rifle, a highly gizmoed handgun with all kinds of junk likely to break at the wrong time, and a TV screen to light you up with its glare and wreck your night vision.

My money's on the BG.

ironvic

[kd7nqb]

So, I have seen in on Future weapons and heard it talked about. Here is my theory.

1. If I got one for x-mas it would warrant a range trip.
2. I would not spend more than $100 on it not the 5k MSRP
3. I wonder what "side recoil" feels like
4. Seems like a dumb idea
5. I have no military experience so I might be missing usefulness.

[Coronach]

It's for specialized use with entry teams. It is a niche weapon, to be used in very limited situations and with other people, armed with 'normal' weapons, positioned with the user. The problem of walls offering poor cover can be addressed with body bunkers and ballistic shielding. Essentially, it is a weapon for standoffs, and can actually be used to end the confrontation without bloodshed ("If you come around this corner, I'll shoot!" "Guess what? We don't have to come around the corner. Now, drop the gun and come out.").

I know it's advertised as a generalized building-clearing device, but I honestly don't know how useful it is in that role, due to the complexity/slowness of operation, the need to have multiple people up at the corner just hanging out while the gizmo works, and the lack of actual cover provided by most walls.

It most certainly is NOT a general-use sidearm.

Mike

[elrod]

Looks like a must-have for the modern, well-equiped Mall Ninja! :D

[John C]

We in the US don't have the same police/tactical issues that the Israelis and European SWAT teams have. Those issues have prompted what we would consider "liberal" use-of-force policies that don't apply here. American cops are generally trying to apprehend criminals, rather than neutralizing them. This has changed somewhat in the post Columbine/post 9/11 world, but only somewhat.

I think this might be useful as a specialist weapon in a MOUT situation, like in Fallujah in 2004. There, walls are generally cover, not just concealment, and the use-of-force issues are strict enough to prevent the old grenade-and-spray-of-automatic-weapons-fire for fear of collateral damage, but liberal enough to smoke anyone who is not actively trying to surrender.

I think this is a perfect application for a Glock 18 or Beretta 93r. This would eliminate their deficiencies and allow for the cornershot application.

-John