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brighamr
December 19, 2007, 03:13 PM
Ok, there are about 8474827447483 variations of the 1911. I'm looking at buying a double stack 9mm, and speed/accuracy are my main considerations. Currently I'm assuming STI will fullfil the need, but I've never owned a 1911 and I'd like your input.


With cost not being a factor, what 1911 will come 'out of the box' ready for USPSA competitions? My whole purpose here is buying a gun that wont need a bazillion mods to make it a straight shooter, and I like the hi-cap factor of double stacks.

Thoughts?

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HZOX221
December 19, 2007, 03:48 PM
IF money is not an option, I would have a good smith build you a gun from scratch. Personally, I would buy an SVI over a STI as a prebuilt gun.

Do you want a limited or open gun? How soon do you want it?

If you want to build a gun, PM me and I can point you in the right direction.

Walkalong
December 19, 2007, 03:48 PM
With cost not being a factor,
Wish I could say that. :rolleyes:

farscott
December 19, 2007, 04:11 PM
If you want a double-stack 1911 variant in 9x19 and you do not want to work with a smith, your choices are STI and SVI. I would choose the SVI. Bring your wallet and your patience, and you will end up with a great pistol.

If you choose to shoot 9x19, you are shooting minor, which will make you not competitive in certain classes.

Tarvis
December 19, 2007, 04:22 PM
Why 9mm? You want to shoot a major caliber so you score better on charlies and deltas. Assuming you're trying to be competitive, that is. Ive only shot USPSA 3 times, but a guy did say something about shooting 9mm in major caliber, something about the brass being different created enough energy or something.

I shoot a $600 Colt Commander with a pitted barrel in the single stack division and do fairly well for my experience level, so it's not like you need a $2000 double stack race pistol to have fun/be competitive; which division you plan to shoot in makes a big difference as well. If you are going in to open division with no experience, you're not going to be winning very many matches which, for me anyway, gets very frustrating (I'm very competitive). But I don't know, maybe a shiny new race gun is what the doctor ordered :). Personally, I would perfer to put the pieces together on my own and have a gunsmith fit it together.

VARifleman
December 19, 2007, 04:23 PM
I'd suggest you head over to brianenos.com and search their threads and after doing that post questions for them. There are a number of options to choose from. Some like long slides, some like short slides. Some like heavy, some like light. Also, we're going to need to know which division you want to run this is.

Farscott (edit) and Travis, 9x19 makes major at 165 pf in Open.

brighamr
December 19, 2007, 04:35 PM
I've been to brainenos a few times (that's where I'm learning about USPSA).

I want 9mm due to owning to other 9mm pistols and shooting a lot of ammo (currently at about 2000-3000 rounds per month, just for practice). I prefer:
Long barrel
Long slide
optics rail
double stack
The lighter overall the better


In all honesty, I've been wanting a 1911 style gun for quite a while. After researching (problems, upgrades, etc, etc.) I decided that buying what is commonly known as "the best" one on the market would be a good start. From the limited responses in this thread it appears that people like SVI. that's a good enough start for me.

It's the old saying "buy what you want, if you settle for less you wont be happy". I've had that before with a different pistol, and this time I'd like to buy the best I can get.

As for competition, I've never shot USPSA. I'm not concerned with winning, moreso having the right equipment to practice with so that I can win in the future :-)

Mainsail
December 19, 2007, 04:52 PM
How about a Browning High Power? It was designed for the 9mm.

Tarvis
December 19, 2007, 06:01 PM
As far as 9mm goes, make sure you are shooting major otherwise you'll never be very competitive. I like my 45acp so maybe I am biased. Also, I'm not sure why exactly but 38 super seems to be the ticket for open. You have to reload it to get the proper crimp to make the compensator really hum, but if you already reload, no worries.

It seems to me that having the best most expensive equipment isn't necesary to practice with. It has more to do with your muscle memory. A buddy of mine was tellin me about fullsize/weight airsoft guns used in japan for practicing (pistols must be locked at the range, god bless america) at home. I may not know what I'm talking about and correct me if I'm wrong please, but being a quick shooter has more to do with how you bring the pistol to your line of sight, how fast you reload and how well you improvise when something goes wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a firm believer in buying what you want the first time. Get 9mm if that's what you want to shoot. I would tell you that there's nothing wrong with having more than one caliber pistol and that 40 s&w and target loaded 45acp may be just as much fun to shoot as 9mm, but in the end it's just a suggestion.

Tarvis
December 19, 2007, 06:05 PM
Also, to get to power factor 165 and shoot major caliber in 9mm, you need to load a 115 gr bullet to 1450 fps. Now, I don't know if the calculator I used is acurate or what 9mm ballistics look like, but 1450 is zingin right along for a "carry" type pistol. Might want to look into that if you plan on shooting major.

HZOX221
December 19, 2007, 06:48 PM
Fom past experience in seeing new shooter come into USPSA. My advice is find a club and go and shoot a match. See what others are shooting and ask them about their equipment. I have yet to meet someone who was not willing to talk to a new shooter and show them their toys.

If you want to get started shoot what you already have. Do your research, shoot a couple of guns of others. You do not need to have a race gun to get started. USPSA has 6 different divisions for competitors to shoot in. Learn the sport and the rules first befroe you rush in to buying a gun.

Too many people have bought guns that they thought they needed only to find that they really wanted or needed something else.

I currently shoot Limited, Open, Single Stack and Limited 10 with different guns.


Your criteria above will change after you get familer with USPSA.

MICHAEL T
December 19, 2007, 08:01 PM
I want 9mm due to owning to other 9mm pistols and shooting a lot of ammo (currently at about 2000-3000 rounds per month, just for practice). I prefer:
Long barrel
Long slide
optics rail
double stack
The lighter overall the better

Thats not a 1911 No way !!! Go buy a browning Hi power or a Beretta maybe a Taurus . if you want all that junk

HZOX221
December 19, 2007, 08:19 PM
Long barrel
Long slide
optics rail
double stack
The lighter overall the better


All of that is possible with a 1911/2011, but it will probably involve getting custom work.

Zak Smith
December 19, 2007, 11:48 PM
Benny Hill built my this 9mm upper on an SV frame.

http://demigodllc.com/photo/Benny9mm/smaller/B100_0549_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/Benny9mm/?small=B100_0549_img.jpg)
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http://demigodllc.com/photo/Benny9mm/smaller/B100_0534_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/Benny9mm/?small=B100_0534_img.jpg)
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Mags hold 21-24 depending on follower and basepad.

akanotken
December 20, 2007, 02:49 AM
Unless you want to shoot open, then you really need to rethink your caliber choice. Just in what you've written to date, I'd say you want to shoot what you currently own in production, or where ever, and plan on a doublestack .40 for a limited gun.

If you are going to continue to shoot that much, you really need to be reloading .. untill you get sponsered!

VARifleman
December 21, 2007, 06:20 PM
To be fair, I know several people that compete in limited minor and do very well because the gun is fast and easier to control for them. Minor and Major score the same as long as you're shooting Alphas.

Lets see what I can find that would fit your spec...

STI Eagle 6.0 (http://stiguns.com/guns/Eagle6/Eagle6.html) All that would need to be done would be to tap for an optics mount, and if you intend on using optics in competition, you're going to need a compensator and perhaps some ports (although this ratio for you is only learned through experience) to keep with the crowd you'll be running with. If you want an optics mount for fun, but run iron sights in the game, then don't get the compensator.

Or you could head over to sviguns.com and design up one exactly to your specifications.

I don't think you're going to be unhappy with either, but when it comes to open guns, there are some many variables that are different between everyone in the game you'll only learn from experience what you like.

Hope that was helpful.

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