Rather pointless (but still cool) 91/30 modification


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AJAX22
December 19, 2007, 04:16 PM
So I went ahead and did it.

I had a 91/30 barreled receiver shortened to the point where even with a blind pinned/welded AMD65 aftermarket muzzlebrake attached the barrel is just a nat's **** longer than 16 inches (measured to the breachface)

The grand scheme is to take one of the light weight aftermarket monte carlo stocks and partially inlet the end of it so that the brake sitts flush and the porting is unobstructed. Then I'll take a bent bolt setup and the misc little parts it needs and throw it togeather, attach some sort of front sight and get the whole thing parkerized.

It should have the effect of making this 91/30 into the single most irritating firearm that has ever been shot next to you at the range ;)

This way, when I'm shooting my little .22 target rifles and some jerk sets up next to me, takes a step back from the firing line and opens up with his .500 S&W revolver and then does not respond to polite requests to step forward to the firing line, I can simply put my target rifle away, pull the bite-sized 91/30 out of the rack, and teach them a brief (but effective) lesson in range ettiquite.

I should start a pool on how far the fireball will shoot out sideways.

any guesses? :D

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0425.jpg

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ArmedBear
December 19, 2007, 04:21 PM
I have a muzzle brake for a Mosin. I'll have to try it.:)

Cosmoline
December 19, 2007, 04:21 PM
What's the year on that receiver? It looks like a low wall.

Dionysusigma
December 19, 2007, 04:33 PM
... 91/30 barreled receiver shortened...
... light weight aftermarket monte carlo stocks...

Be sure you've got a decent recoil pad. :uhoh:

ArmedBear
December 19, 2007, 04:36 PM
The muzzlebrake should take care of recoil, if it's designed well enough.

AJAX22
December 19, 2007, 04:47 PM
What's the year on that receiver? It looks like a low wall.

It was a 1938 Tula, I had oritinally inteded to use a 43 or 42 izzy (I have a LOT of barreled receivers) but the first attempt didn't work out (barrel bent while puling it off the receiver)

what wound up working best was to make an arbor that fit inside the receiver and turning it down that way.

I don't know what the kick will be like... but I look forward to finding out.

Cosmoline
December 19, 2007, 05:10 PM
You did *that* to a prewar Tula?

Looks like you got yourself a place in the Special Hell!

AJAX22
December 19, 2007, 05:16 PM
It wasn't a complete rifle, just a barreled receiver, It wouldn't have ever been restored (at least not so that all markings match)

A barreled receiver is (in my opinion) the only guilt free gun you can bubba.

Cosmoline
December 19, 2007, 05:27 PM
Just letting you know. Special Hell ;-)

BsChoy
December 19, 2007, 05:44 PM
You did *that* to a prewar Tula?

Looks like you got yourself a place in the Special Hell!

hahaha cosmoline....I am so glad I didn't drill and tap that 1941 M38 husky swede...i didn't know of the special hell

ceetee
December 19, 2007, 06:05 PM
I actually like it. Seems like a sound concept. I'd even shoot it, as long as I was allowed to double up on the PAST pads.

Well done!

Jackal
December 19, 2007, 06:36 PM
Now try to scrounge up some of the Yugo ammo I call "fireball ammo".

Brother in Arms
December 19, 2007, 06:48 PM
You might be disappointed to find out the fireball isn't that bad from a Mosin that has a bare 16" barrel. I have a Hungarian M44 that had the barrel cut down and the fireball and muzzle blast wasn't as bad as a standard M44. However the AMD 65 muzzle break seems almost like muzzle blast enhancer and I have fired one in a test fire booth and it was murderous but I think the worst I ever encounter is the old post-ban muzzle that was on the CETME rifle.

Brother in Arms

VirgilCaine
December 19, 2007, 07:09 PM
Muzzle blast enhancer, huh! Just like the loudener from the Simpsons.

jpwilly
December 20, 2007, 01:16 AM
You haven't cornered the market on compensated Nagants...here's my neutered M44 and it's loud as hell (have fun pissing everyone off!):

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p38/jpwilly/ScoutPaint007.jpg

AJAX22
December 20, 2007, 01:24 AM
The M44 has a 19.25 inch barrel (not including the aftermarket muzzlebreak), mine is only 16 (including muzzlebreak)

thats a good looking m44 though, I didn't know ATI made a tan version of their stock.

jpwilly
December 20, 2007, 01:30 AM
The M44 may have a 19.25 inch barrel but not after you cut it off with a hacksaw - Mine comes in at 16.5" in case the ATF has a different ruler. ATI makes a Tan stock...right after you spray it with Krylon! Have fun with your 91/30!

MachIVshooter
December 20, 2007, 01:33 AM
I think the worst I ever encounter is the old post-ban muzzle that was on the CETME rifle.

My Century G3 has the 12-hole "brake". Absolutely the most obnoxious rifle I own (other than the AR-50). My .375 Ultra is no where near as loud as the G3.

AJAX22: cool project!

AJAX22
December 20, 2007, 01:37 AM
The M44 may have a 19.25 inch barrel but not after you cut it off with a hacksaw. ATI makes a Tan stock...right after you spray it with Krylon! Have fun with your 91/30!

Ahhh, IC

what did your total length wind up being? (measured to the boltface) I'm trying to get an idea of how much I will have to inlet one of those ATI stocks to bed it correctly.

PTK
December 20, 2007, 01:41 AM
Attaching photos doesn't seem to be working right now...

Edit: Imageshack to the rescue.

I think I win the bastardized MN contest.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7862/mn9130sbr1ot0.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg

Hoppy590
December 20, 2007, 01:46 AM
i think im gunna be sick

and i agree. a pre- war tula?! why!

rugerdude
December 20, 2007, 02:01 AM
You have got to be kidding me.

You payed twice what the rifle is worth to SBR it?!?!?!

Hehe, I'll bet it would make the devil himself drop a deuce in his pants though.

That is your carry piece right?

PTK
December 20, 2007, 02:04 AM
It's the second loudest firearm I currently own, the first being an American Derringer in .410 and .45-70. I paid $35 for this rifle a time ago, and yes, paid $200 to SBR it.

For what it's worth, I also own a .50BMG with a muzzlebreak. It's quieter than the MN.

asknight
December 20, 2007, 02:05 AM
PTK, what's the recoil like? :evil:

PTK
December 20, 2007, 02:05 AM
Brisk. Very brisk.

bartsimpson123844
December 20, 2007, 02:39 AM
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg



Is that even legal?

PTK
December 20, 2007, 02:40 AM
With a $200 tax to the BATFE to register the firearm as a Short Barreled Rifle it is.

clone
December 20, 2007, 12:25 PM
PTK, that mosin is just screaming for a scope. :evil:

Cosmoline
December 20, 2007, 01:58 PM
think I win the bastardized MN contest.

Is that your rifle/handgun? That's an obryez by the look of it. The partisans used to deal out rough justice with those. Not to mention the Russian mob. Sweet piece!

PTK
December 20, 2007, 02:21 PM
It is indeed mine and it is indeed an obryez. The things that happen when I get bored...

jpwilly
December 20, 2007, 06:47 PM
I think I win the bastardized MN contest.

Yes, yes...you win!

AJAX22
December 20, 2007, 07:17 PM
heh, thats a neat SBR jpwilly.... we can't get those in my state :(

you're all set for the next uprising of the proletariat!

The Deer Hunter
December 20, 2007, 07:22 PM
you're all set for the next uprising of the proletariat!

:D

Harry Paget Flashman
December 20, 2007, 07:56 PM
This will give any MN a run for the money in a bastardized MN contest: http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=62528&d=1187478521

lee n. field
December 20, 2007, 07:57 PM
It should have the effect of making this 91/30 into the single most irritating firearm that has ever been shot next to you at the range


Uuuuh. Yeah. That it would be.

:what:

Shoot it at dusk, and have someone take a picture.

Gingerbreadman
December 20, 2007, 08:05 PM
That pistol Mosin is an SBR? How? I thought it needed a stock or vertical foregrip.

mudslinging79
December 20, 2007, 08:50 PM
you have to tell us how it performs against the 500 sw asshat!

sharkhunter2018
December 20, 2007, 08:57 PM
+1 on the picture at dusk. That would be awesome.

Pigspitter
December 20, 2007, 09:17 PM
Attaching photos doesn't seem to be working right now...

Edit: Imageshack to the rescue.

I think I win the bastardized MN contest.
Sweet mother of God, what possed you to birth such an unholy contraption. I'm gonna sleep with one eye open and both index fingers in my ears from now on.

darkknight
December 20, 2007, 09:26 PM
ptk how accurate is that debacle. im just curious.

AJAX22
December 20, 2007, 11:45 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0437.jpg

Here is a pic of the receiver in a box alongside one of my Remmy 11's and my 870.

Its a gratuitous pic that is just for refference. the 870 has a two shot extension tube and a 21 inch barrel.

PTK
December 21, 2007, 02:28 AM
darkknight

Accur-what now?

Pigspitter

I wanted to. Why else?

PTK
December 21, 2007, 04:26 AM
Gingerbreadman

It's an SBR because I made it from a fullsize Mosin.

lencac
December 21, 2007, 04:51 AM
You guys and your MNs are sick I tell ya ... just plain ole sick :eek: But I like it ;) The silver tip sniper ammo puts out a pretty good ball of fire in the short MN. But the worst I had was a Mauser 98 with a 22 in. barrel and a muzzle brake chambered in 458 Lott. Off the bench I would see stars when I shot it. People would backoff the firing line 20 ft before I'd shoot. The 5th round split the wood stock. Had to put synthetic on it. And this is no BS .... I let a guy try it who said he wanted to ......... it knocked him out! The only reason he didn't fall off the bench was cause I grabbed him. I sold that rifle :rolleyes:

PTK
December 21, 2007, 04:53 AM
Perhaps I should worsen the blast and add a muzzle brake as well.

VirgilCaine
December 21, 2007, 05:34 AM
Good god, AJAX, how long a barrel is on that automatic up top there?

AJAX22
December 21, 2007, 11:44 AM
I don't know actually, I'll measure it after the holidays, I think its a 30 inch full choke, and the one below it is a 26 inch improved... but I don't know for certain.

rbernie would know, I bought that shotgun from him.

Its my bird hunting gun.

toivo
December 21, 2007, 04:43 PM
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1363/mn9130sbr2hl0.jpg
That's so wrong it's almost ri--... ri--... righ--...

No. I can't say it. It's just wrong. :D

Oh well, there are plenty of Mosins out there. No harm, no foul.

PTK
December 21, 2007, 04:55 PM
It was an ordinary wartime Tula made Mosin. Not a problem.

mgregg85
December 21, 2007, 05:22 PM
This isn't mine but its pretty messed up.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2300/tacticalmosinpz9.jpg

PTK
December 21, 2007, 05:26 PM
I think that may top mine in tacticool factor, but mine is still more fun, I'd wager.

toivo
December 21, 2007, 07:18 PM
Gotta love a pistol-grip on a bolt action. Like seatbelts on a motorcycle. :D

This thread is fun--let's see some more wildass Mosins!

NCLivingBrit
December 22, 2007, 03:03 PM
So, that obryez...... think you can get an IWB holster for that?

;)

And yeah, it needs a red-dot or laser......

kingjoey
January 13, 2008, 04:47 AM
Here's a couple pics of one we just put together for a customer a couple weeks ago. It's an M44 with the barrel turned down to 18", turn-down handle, prototype scope mount, and KA-1830 muzzlebrake/suppressor

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/kingjoey/Picture067-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/kingjoey/Picture076-1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/kingjoey/Picture065-1.jpg

Wes Janson
January 13, 2008, 06:41 AM
I want that rifle in Greg's post #50...oh how I want that rifle. Just for the hell of taking it to gunshows slung over my back to see the expressions. Totally worth the ~$1000 that setup probably cost total ($200 for rifle/stock/grip, $200 stamp, $300-400 Aimpoint-if it's real, ~$200 for rail).

weaselchew
January 14, 2008, 09:23 PM
AJAX22: Anything new on your project?

clone
January 14, 2008, 10:49 PM
kingjoey,

how long did that $20 BSA reddot last? :scrutiny:

dirtyjim
January 15, 2008, 12:04 AM
my mosin monstrosity is just getting started.
so far all i've done is move the bolt handle to the rear of the bolt & notched the receiver. the handle is only tacked right now i'm going to finish it with a tig & install a badger knob. the gap in the rear bridge is going to be filled in since its no longer needed. i tested the bolt to scope clearance with a spare redfield mount zip tied to the receiver, medium height rings & weaver k4, it has about 1/2" of clearance on the scope with the bolt open. it will get a picatinny style rail, it looks like a rem 700 short action mount would be the easiest to made work for this project.
its staying in 7.62x54r but it will be handloaded with .308 dia.bullets & use a .308 bore heavy barrel. i'm still working on some ideas for the stock & i'll have to make it myself since i don't care for any of the aftermarket ones that are available.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/mosinwscope1.jpg

kingjoey
January 15, 2008, 02:00 AM
kingjoey,

how long did that $20 BSA reddot last?

Actually, it worked great and had no problems at all. I was figuring that the Nagant was going to break it after about 5 shots but it worked fine. I pulled it out of the parts bin and tossed it on the gun to do the test firing with and sent the gun back to the customer with the scope on it, no loss IMO.

AJAX22
January 19, 2008, 04:57 PM
:D

Guess what I get to shoot tomorrow ;)



Here is the FBP16 next to a m44 and a normal 91/30 and a detail shot of the muzzle.

The Stock needed to be Inlet slightly, but the porting clears perfectly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/slo_bikes/th_fbp16detail.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/slo_bikes/fbp16detail.jpg)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/slo_bikes/th_fbp16comparison.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/slo_bikes/fbp16comparison.jpg)

deth502
January 19, 2008, 11:09 PM
that looks familiar, dirtyjim.

you the one writing the sgn article??

alemonkey
January 20, 2008, 09:51 AM
dirtyjim, where are you getting a new barrel for a Mosin? I've tossed around the idea of bubbasportifiering my el cheapo type 53 some day, but the barrel is pretty rough.

stubbicatt
January 20, 2008, 11:12 AM
My Century G3 has the 12-hole "brake". Absolutely the most obnoxious rifle I own (other than the AR-50). said MachIVshooter.

Yep. Try shooting one from prone or a bipod or something like that over soft, loamy, soil. The dirt it kicks up in your mouth and eyes and face has to be experienced to be believed. The brake on my G3 now kicks up dirt a little bit, but blows it to the sides rather than in my face.

Neat MN. That is actually something useful for these rifles, to make them into deer or elk hunting rifles.

jwerlc
January 20, 2008, 12:23 PM
I should start a pool on how far the fireball will shoot out sideways

Hmm, would firing tracers through it "ignite" some interest?:what:

lencac
January 20, 2008, 01:07 PM
dirtyjim .... very interesting deal you got going on there. Keep us posted on how it goes. Auh ... the labor of love:)

paintballdude902
January 20, 2008, 01:31 PM
i need pics of firing!!!

AJAX22
January 20, 2008, 02:24 PM
We're going up to the abandoned mine in 1/2 hour... pics will be posted tonite (possibly even video ;))

Good times will be had by all!

davepool
January 20, 2008, 02:56 PM
Customizing your gun seems like a great idea, but donig it so you can piss people off at the range? I wonder who the real jerk is.

Vicious-Peanut
January 20, 2008, 03:05 PM
Looks good actually...

AJAX22
January 20, 2008, 10:57 PM
Back from the range,

Even without having sights fitted yet It was still prety easy to keep on target (line the top of the muzzlebreak between the two posts that hold the leaf sight)

Blew a prety good hole through trees.

Surprisingly recoil was non existant, it kicked less than a .410 and the muzzleblast(for the shooter) was about the same as a 16 inch AR. there was a large fireball, but because most of the blast was ported sideways it didn't effect the shooters vision.

The report for those standing next to it/to the side of it/anywhere but directly behind the shooter was really quite impressive.

It was fun, lots and lots of fun. This is going to be one of my new favorite range toys.

AJAX22
January 21, 2008, 12:00 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

THE VIDEO

ony one muzzleblast caught on tape but its still impressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0httWdyMTAI

AJAX22
July 21, 2008, 09:01 PM
I sold the rifle to a buddy for 1$, (he can sell it back to me when I get back from attending columbia in NYC)

He's been letting people use it at the range he works at and they've been having a 'blast'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmX_MHwKWac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAXv5Q3cmM

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