Mosin Nagant???/New to Mil-Surps


December 20, 2007, 04:31 PM
I have a Mosin Nagant rifle that I bought 11 or 12 years ago for $40.00. I currently own 20+ rifles/shotguns and 20+ handguns, but this is the only mil-surp that I have ever had any dealings with. Therefore, I don't know much about it. I see people own here talking about m-44, m-91, m-91/30, etc. What are the differences in these rifles? Since I am not at home, I can't give any specifics at the moment, other than that it is 7.62x54R, bolt action, and has an attatched folding bayonet on it. Sorry for the noobish questions, but you guys know more about them than I do.

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December 20, 2007, 04:47 PM
The 91/30 is a full size battle rifle, the M44 is a carbine with the bayonet fixed to the barrel and it can turn down. The M38 is the same carbine without the bayonet.

Go Here ( ( for a ton of information on the Mosin Nagant. Go to the ID section and you will be able to find the exact model you have, the date it was manufactured and where it was manufactured. If you can't find it on this site it can't be found.

Here ( is another great site with a ton of information.

December 20, 2007, 04:49 PM

Sounds like you've got a M-44 carbine, if it's got a sidefolding bayonet. Good handy little rifles. The 50,000 1943 dated pre-production test rifles are pretty desireable, as are the (11) factory code rifles made in Poland, and if you have one with a [sa] in a box marking on the left side, it'd be worth a huge amount.

December 20, 2007, 04:59 PM
Thanks for the links guys. Based on what I'm seeing, it is the M-44 carbine. Over the weekend/Holiday I will try to find time and dig it out of the back of the safe and run it through the identification guide

December 20, 2007, 05:03 PM
If you bought it a decade ago, it might be one of the Polish M44's that came in back then after the fall of the wall. They've gone up in value since then.

December 20, 2007, 08:58 PM
Just checked it out. Apparently it is a 1945 Soviet M-44. Thanks for the help guys.

Deer Hunter
December 20, 2007, 09:05 PM
I have one from the same year. Mine has a great bore.

December 20, 2007, 09:30 PM
M-44's are good rifles, and the reason for their relative inexpense is their availability. A similiar rifle is available now at around $110. I went through about two dozen examples at the biginning of this year to pick out an exceptional rifle. The bore was mint, and the trigger exceptionally good, and the crown hadn't been rebored. It shoots phenominally accurate, even with cheap surplus rounds. The rfile will respond to bedding or barrel relieving. An M-44 is relatively light and subject to a firm recoil, so it isn't for everyone. I don't shoot mine extensively so I don't become recoil sensative, and it has worked out well. I would check the trigger guard screws as if these are loose, they affect trigger action. I would also get a good supply of 7.62 x 54R while is is still relatively cheap and available. Commercial ammunition does exist, but it is neither cheap nor plentiful.

December 21, 2007, 12:13 AM
Which Soviet armory, Izhevsk or Tula ? I think one is worth more than the other but I don't remember which. The Soviet M-44's are usually a little better than most of the others. From what I know thee are no Finnish M-44's or they would be best. The Finnish Model 91's are very accurate and well made. My Model 91/30 is a 1942 Izhevsk. (If I remember the year correctly)

December 21, 2007, 07:23 AM
is $169 too much for a nice M38...? a local shop has several imported M38s for that price.

December 21, 2007, 08:19 AM
is $169 too much for a nice M38...? a local shop has several imported M38s for that price.M38's are getting hard to find. M44's are still plentiful, and a lot cheaper. If you really want an M38, that's not necessarily a bad price. I've seen them on priced from $125 to $185. If you don't have an 03FFL (C&R), then by the time you factor in shipping and FFL transfer fees, $169 looks pretty good.

December 21, 2007, 09:33 AM
Picked up an M38 at J&G for $99 recently-- I'm pretty sure they still have them. Laminated, 1942, in better shape than it had any right to be.


December 21, 2007, 03:39 PM
Which Soviet armory, Izhevsk or Tula ?

It's an Izhevsk.

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