No Name 7.62x39mm Ammo


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Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 07:23 PM
I went to the gun store today and they had 7.62x39 in white boxes that say made in russia but have no manufacturer symbols or markings for $2.99 a box. It was to good a deal to pass up so I got it. My question is: are there any problems with this ammo? It's so cheap and the fact that it has no brand name makes me suspicious. Is it corrosive, inaccurate, not feed well?
Thanks in advance.

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Evil Monkey
December 20, 2007, 07:28 PM
How do the rounds look like? What does it say on their head stamps?

My guess is that they are probably wolf, barnual, golden tiger, bear, etc.

I've seen plenty of these types of ammo at gun shows that had a different box or wrapping than the typical wolf box, golden tiger box, etc.

rcmodel
December 20, 2007, 07:28 PM
You have to at least give us a headstamp to work with to answer any of your questions.

Russian ammo in a plain white box could be anything.
Only way to try to ID it is with the case markings.

It's probably bulk surplus from somewhere that has been repacked by the seller.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 07:33 PM
The only markings are "711" "93"

Evil Monkey
December 20, 2007, 07:37 PM
What's the color of the case?

Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 07:48 PM
They're sort of an olive greenish color.

res45
December 20, 2007, 07:51 PM
The 711 number designates ammo made by the Russian State Ammunition Factory at Podolsk, Russia. the 93 is the year of Mfg. I thinking.

Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 07:55 PM
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :uhoh:

Evil Monkey
December 20, 2007, 08:01 PM
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I don't think so. Why would it be?

_N4Z_
December 20, 2007, 08:03 PM
Well, I am not 100% for sure, but erring on the side of caution you might assume that these rounds (mil surp) were assembled with corrosive priming.

Nothing wrong with that other then an added step cleaning. ...and cleaning needs to happen soon after firing.

Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 08:04 PM
I was just suspicious because it was cheap. My main concern is weather or not it is corosive.

Evil Monkey
December 20, 2007, 08:07 PM
Is the primer gray or yellow?

jlbraun
December 20, 2007, 08:09 PM
The 711 number designates ammo made by the Russian State Ammunition Factory at Podolsk, Russia. the 93 is the year of Mfg. I thinking.

Holy crap. Truly THR is the center of the gun knowledge universe!

Where they heck did you pull that one from?!?

Grandpa Shooter
December 20, 2007, 08:09 PM
I was in a gun shop today and saw the same ammo. Berdan primed, steel case throw away stuff. If you want to make noise it's fine, but other than that, I stay away.

Crazy Uncle Al Gore
December 20, 2007, 08:12 PM
yellowish gold

Evil Monkey
December 20, 2007, 08:16 PM
Where they heck did you pull that one from?!?

Probably google. I found the same info there. Or he just knows his stuff.

yellowish gold

Hmmmm.....it doesn't seem corrosive. I think the gray primers signify that the primer is corrosive.

res45
December 20, 2007, 08:28 PM
Does it say non-corr. on the box anywhere? I has several boxes of the stuff a few years ago it was Hollow Point ammo and it was non corrosive shot fine just very dirty.

http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

PAC 762
December 20, 2007, 10:31 PM
I've never seen commercial russian corrosive 7.62x39. If you want to be safe, pull a bullet and dump the powder from one round. Then fire the primer with point-blank at a piece of scrap steel. Clean the gun with soapy water and wait a few days. If the scrap steel doesn't rust, the ammo's not corrosive.

Ash
December 20, 2007, 10:45 PM
1993 is almost certainly corrosive. Everything from the Ruskies in 1993 was corrosive, including commercial in my experience. I have B-Square 9mm Mak from that time that is corrosive, I have 7.62x54R from Barnaul from a few years later that is corrosive, and 7.62x39 from about that time that is corrosive.

Ash

wnycollector
December 21, 2007, 05:59 AM
I would agree with Ash. I assume ALL surplus ammo is corrosive and make sure that I wash everything down with windex before I actually start to clean my rifles in earnest! I have been shooting corrsive 7.62x39 in my norinco sks for 15 years w/o a problem.

worthirt_99
December 21, 2007, 06:10 AM
I've shot corrosive ammo through my Yugo SKS with no problems either. I'm just gonna stress again that you must use soapy water or windex directly after your session/day at the range is over. Do this before you clean your weapon the normal way. Do this and corrosive ammo will not give you a problem, they have been using it for years anyway, if the firearm is properly maintained, it will have a very long life.

Ash
December 21, 2007, 08:38 AM
Well, corrosive ammo does have an advantage, and that is long storage life. Corrosive primers store longer than our current non-corrosive variety.

Ash

MechAg94
December 21, 2007, 12:45 PM
Yes, the last thing you want is to pick up the rifle later and realize the bolt handle won't come back. Then when you finally get it back, you realize there is rust all in the gas return and around the piston. Luckily, that was just my WASR, not my Vepr. I cleaned the barrel and not the gas tube.

jonnyc
December 21, 2007, 06:08 PM
I think I've fired a bunch of the same stuff...corrosive. Just takes extra cleaning.

res45
December 22, 2007, 11:42 PM
Some more info on the 7.62 x 39 ammo. found my old bookmark I was looking for yesterday. http://www.makeyourowngear.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1146681053

Wolfgang2000
December 23, 2007, 01:35 AM
I have a bunch of x39 that are in a plain white box that states made in Russia to hunting specification. Mine have the 97 year mark. It's not corrosive. It was really cheap when I bought it. Wish I had bought more. OH well, hind sight is 20-20.

rundm
December 23, 2007, 06:29 PM
If it is corrosive you need to make sure you clean the rifle very good. You can buy barnaul 7.62x39 non corrosive ammo right now all day for 159.99 + shipping from Cope's distributing. Shipping to me was an extra 20/case of 1000, but I live very far away from them. Runs out to 3.60/20 shipped to my door without having to worry about corrosiveness. RG

Illuminaughty
December 24, 2007, 02:55 PM
my corrosive 5.45 has yellow/gold primers, just so you guys know...

LeibstandarteAdH
December 24, 2007, 10:03 PM
my corrosive 5.45 has yellow/gold primers, just so you guys know...

that dosen't relate to 7.62x39, (just so you know...) :neener:

Ash
December 25, 2007, 01:00 PM
I think all military Russian ammo is corrosive. By the way, just because it says "Non Corrosive" on the package does not make it non-corrosive. All Russian ammo coming in in 1995-1997 or so said non-corrosive and virtually all of it was corrosive. The early Barnaul 204 grain stuff was corrosive - I know, I have a bunch of it. The B-Square was corrosive, too.

Hoppy590
December 25, 2007, 07:46 PM
id love to find some ammo for 2.99 a box ( assuming 20 rd count)

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