Calling the HR troops--Need some help debating antis on line


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Cosmoline
July 24, 2003, 03:06 AM
Since Michael Moore closed his forum, a small group of people have been arguing the pros and cons of gun ownership over here:

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/threads/

I've been working hard to hold back the tide, but recently a new batch of antis and a few trolls have arrived and I just don't have the time to deal with them. If you want to enlighten some very dark minds, this is a good chance. Most of them are under the delusion that "Bowling for Columbine" is a documentary.

Thankee!

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hillbilly
July 24, 2003, 03:53 PM
Uh, no offense meant, but isn't debating anti-gun folks who refuse to see logic on Michael Moore's forum a little like trying to convince a Great White Shark to go vegan while you are skinny dipping with bloody pork chops tied to your ankles?

Folks who agree with Michael Moore think that logic itself is nothing more than an evil scheme cooked up by evil rich white men for the specific purpose of oppressing women, minorities and union members.......


Don't waste your energy or time, I say.

Talking reason with Michael Moore fans would be like trying to convert Osama Bin Laden to Judaism.......

Here's a column for you.

It's a rather developed look at Moore's own lack of familiarity with logic, facts, truth, or other such nit-picky things.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html

hillbilly

Carlos Cabeza
July 24, 2003, 04:15 PM
Some people,.......you just can't reach.

boltaction
July 24, 2003, 04:27 PM
just lurked over there for a few minutes Cosmoline. Not a lot of intelligent discourse. You should have them come this way to see whether their "columbine prejudices" are realized. My guess is that those knuckle-dragging leftists don't have the SAT scores to play with this group.

Bravo11
July 24, 2003, 04:41 PM
I don't argue with anti's anymore. It's like talking to a brick wall.
I don't think I'll ever convince one to think my way and I sure as heck know
they'll never win me over to their way. I just vote for the least "anti" politician(hard to find a REAL pro-gun politician) and pay my dues to the NRA and hope for the best.

hillbilly
July 24, 2003, 05:09 PM
Instead of arguing with antis, here's what I do.

I invite them to the range politely, and with a smile.

I give them a polite, friendly safety briefing, and put a .22 in their hands.

When they start grinning, I show them the .38 and the .357, some of them even go all the way to .45.

But I don't argue with antis, I take them shooting.

hillbilly

Travis McGee
July 24, 2003, 05:33 PM
Why bother? You can't argue with a closed mind. You might as well try to teach pigs to fly.

It's the undecided middle that I try to reach.

Standing Wolf
July 24, 2003, 06:52 PM
Trying to reason with anti-Second Amendment bigots is a lot like wrestling with pigs: you just get all muddy, and the pigs love it.

Coronach
July 25, 2003, 01:09 AM
It's the undecided middle that I try to reach.DING!

The question is this: Where is the undecided middle? Is this a forum where its all pretty much preaching-to-the-choir, or is this a board with a fairly broad make-up, where fence-sitters are in attendance and able to be swayed? If it is the former (read: a Anti-Gun Self-Affirmation Society), don't waste your time. If it is the latter, however, fight the good fight. Each time They resort to inane arguments or name calling and you can keep your composure and be calm, collected, respectful and professional, you will win converts to our side. Of course, every time you snap and bite off some twit's head, you'll lose ground, too. TANSTAAFL, after all.

Mike

Jeff OTMG
July 25, 2003, 05:30 AM
Unfortunately there are a couple of mouthy pro-gun trolls over there. I gave a lenghty, coherent, response to one post. Check it out and let me know what you think. There is much info for those who want to get into a 2nd Amendment debate.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/board/thread/2441994?d=2450196#2450196

timbo
July 25, 2003, 05:43 AM
I'm right there with you in my support and I like your post on their forum. I don't know if it's a worthy cause to go and argue about firearms and the 2nd amendment on a movie forun though. Good luck to you in the fight, you'll be going up against a lot of close-minded people who are blind as to what a logical arguement is. (I wanted to say "morons" there, but I guess it wouldn't be very nice... oh wait, I did just say it, doh!)

Bravo11
July 25, 2003, 03:58 PM
I like Hillbilly's idea of taking them to the range and putting a .22 in there hands. A scoped rimfire rifle is a blast if it hits where its aimed.
It won't take long for the grinning.
Be sure to stress safety so they can get the idea that guns are like tools or anything else that can be dangerous if not used properly.

Mannlicher
July 25, 2003, 09:21 PM
arguing the pros and cons of any controversial subject online is a futile waste of effort. NO one has EVER changed their mind, based on a BBS post.

Jeff OTMG
July 27, 2003, 05:18 PM
Miss Demeanors changed her mind based on my posting on a Rosie board.

Moparmike
July 27, 2003, 05:50 PM
Great post Jeff. I loved how you completely bi**hslapped their argument with reasoned and tactful responses.

Just use the "people is found in other amendments and places" argument and then state that if the right of owning guns is the government's right or the right of government funded operations, then the BOR has no meaning except to the governmental departments and funded operations. Therefore, according to their own "logic", they cannot speak out and cannot have protection against unreasonable and illegal search and seizure. Their "logic" pretty much argues away every right they have, use, and cherish every day, if followed out to its logical conclusion. :eek: They hate it when you use logic, and its a great feeling. It feels like.....VICTORY!!!! :cool:

After using said argument, chuckle gleefully as their face looks similar to a monkey doing calculus. Its a hobby of mine to make people do that. Its quite entertaining.:D

"Logic, its what's for dinner."
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