are AR's work to maintain?


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Dollar An Hour
December 21, 2007, 05:41 PM
Short of cleaning my revolvers, pistols and CZ bolt rifle, I have no experience maintaining anything more complex and therefore am intimidated by ARs.


Are they lots of work? High maint? Should a not very mechanically-inclined person skip the platform altogether?

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rcmodel
December 21, 2007, 05:44 PM
If a GI can do it, anyone can do it.

Some of those guys can't change the flint in a Zippo lighter without help!

BTDT! :D

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Slugless
December 21, 2007, 05:58 PM
Spend a little more money on a quality factory rifle.

You just need a good set of instructions for basic care and maintenance. The owner's manual that comes with the rifle is a good place to start and frankly is sufficient if you're not interested in learning more. Armalite has good technical notes on their website, Bushmaster has some good FAQs.

Some of the biggest debates on maintenance are what kind of lube & how much: grease on the shiny spots? Run 'em dry? Run 'em wet? Not really a mechanical issue.

You will occasionally need to break down the bolt assembly for maintenance, i.e. thorough cleaning. If this is a little intimidating, use a digital camera and photograph each stage of disassembly. Organize the parts in the order they came out of the assembly.

If you shoot thousands of rounds through them, you'll have to start replacing extractors, springs, etc. By then you'll have spent so much money on ammo that having a gunsmith do the work won't be much $ in comparison.

wdlsguy
December 21, 2007, 06:12 PM
I like the instructions here:

http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/basicar15skills.msnw

W.E.G.
December 21, 2007, 06:13 PM
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I LIKE IT!
December 21, 2007, 06:28 PM
The AR is the "legos" of firearms, easy as 123. You could learn everything
about it from pieces to complete bulid in less than a couple days.(depending on devotion)

I learned through USMC boot, but fact still remains ARs are cake.

Only thing I ever worry about is rust, god I hate rust.:fire::fire::fire:

brian923
December 21, 2007, 06:51 PM
thats whats so great about the AR-15. its not that hard to dissasemble, reassemble. just read the instructions that come with the gun, and there are no more steps to it than any other rifle out there. clean, oil and shoot.

Geno
December 21, 2007, 06:54 PM
IMHO the ARs are not only simple to work on, they are reliable, and fun!

W.E.G.
December 21, 2007, 06:57 PM
.jpg version of the manual

http://www.mrfa.org/m16.htm

possum
December 21, 2007, 07:00 PM
If a GI can do it, anyone can do it.

Some of those guys can't change the flint in a Zippo lighter without help!

BTDT!
i hope that you are a gi or where a gi to make a coment like that we can talk about our own but don't like stuff like that from outsiders.

btw the ar15 isn't at all hard to maintain, just keep it clean like you would any weapon, it is pretty simple, and the only thigs that you might hav to do special othter than the basics is chage out parts and such which is super easy but that is after really high roud counts.

murph50
December 21, 2007, 07:46 PM
Hey Dollar
I just got done cleaning my AR--first time--just got it and haven't even shot it yet. I was a little intimidated of these things before I got one. The guy at the GS broke it down to show me how to do it. Piece of cake. I was actually surprised at how easy it is to tear down. Even the bolt assembly is no big deal. Some of the nooks and crannies in there are a little tough to get to but you can get to them. For me it's easier than my 1911 and definetely easier than my Ruger MKIII22/45.
I had always thought that AR's were more complicated than that but it's really no big deal.

Dienekes
December 21, 2007, 08:11 PM
It is a little tedious and involved, but once you get your equipment squared away and work out a system it's just a job. Any decent bore cleaner suffices, and while you're free to use anything miracle product of your choice for lube, I've never found anything more advanced than "3 in 1" type oils to be essential. Just because I use Militech-1 you don't have to.

Suggest you do it the GI way for starters. Also recommend Brownell's for the proper military-style patches. Some of the generic stuff sold for bore cleaning patches is worse than nothing.

tnieto2004
December 21, 2007, 08:15 PM
we can talk about our own but don't like stuff like that from outsiders.

Oh brother ..

Outlaws
December 21, 2007, 08:29 PM
i hope that you are a gi or where a gi to make a coment like that we can talk about our own but don't like stuff like that from outsiders.


He should have added cops to that statement.
Whoops, I am not a cop, but I don't care.

RockyMtnTactical
December 21, 2007, 08:30 PM
I don't think so. I don't spend any more time cleaning them or anything any more than any of my other weapons.

I really haven't found them to be maintenance intensive whatsoever. I've shot 1K rounds through mine one day, not cleaning it, and then shot another 1K rounds through it the next day. No failures.

MachIVshooter
December 21, 2007, 08:47 PM
Not difficult. I actually spend less time cleaning my AR's than AK's. It's nice to be able to get a straight shot at the chamber.

G-3's/CETME's, OTOH :cuss:

Vector
December 22, 2007, 12:05 PM
Doc2005

IMHO the ARs are not only simple to work on, they are reliable, and fun!

I agree

loosehorse
December 22, 2007, 12:23 PM
I agree with Mac...my Ar is easier to clean than the AK. I think I also appreciate the effort it take to make an AR. I love my AK but it is "clunky" compared to the AR.

mudslinging79
December 22, 2007, 01:20 PM
we had some real dunb*****s in basic, and if they can maintain the ar15/m16, then anyone can do it. its fairly easy to tear it down to its many componets, you can learn it in about half an hour. we had to tear down in about 2 minutes, and re assemble with a function check in about 3.

scout26
December 22, 2007, 01:35 PM
If a GI can do it, anyone can do it.

Some of those guys can't change the flint in a Zippo lighter without help!

BTDT!

i hope that you are a gi or where a gi to make a coment like that we can talk about our own but don't like stuff like that from outsiders.

I think the "Been There, Done That" at the end of his post signifies that rcmodel is indeed a veteran.

And yes AR's are fairly simple to breakdown and put back together.

possum
December 22, 2007, 01:40 PM
sorry i am not down with the lingo and acronyms. my bad.

Zach S
December 22, 2007, 01:43 PM
You could probably train a monkey to maintain an AR.

I've put over 3k though my 9mm between cleanings, it never failed me, I just got bored and decided to clean it. Had to use a whole can of brake cleaner too...

The only bad thing is that they tend to multiply. Not always a bad thing, depends on you budget, and your lady...

benEzra
December 22, 2007, 01:57 PM
Hard to maintain? No. More involved to maintain than a bolt rifle, though.

I don't have a lot of experience with AR's, but I'd put the complexity of field stripping and cleaning an AR as a little bit greater than a typical pistol or a civilian AK, but not that much greater. (An AR will probably require cleaning more often than an AK for best reliability, and is a bit more lubrication-sensitive, though.)

Coronach
December 22, 2007, 02:05 PM
They're easy to maintain. And if you forget to clean it once or twice (or three or four times) it will still run just fine. I have an AR that I used as a guinea pig for a little malfunction testing. After standard range use I put an oiled mop through the bore, and then sat it in the safe. Repeat after each range outing for a while.

I dunno how long I went that way, but it was several months and several hundred rounds. After yet another boring range outing of boring failures to have a failure, I mistakenly cleaned it. It runs clean, too. ;)

No, I don't equate this to performance in a dustbowl like Iraq, and no, I don't believe that this is wise with a defensive weapon, and no, I don't think this is an indicator of anything reliability-wise beyond what it obviously indicates: you can, under range-use conditions, go several months and several hundred rounds without cleaning and expect the gun to run.

Mike

mp510
December 22, 2007, 03:09 PM
Until I tore down an AR for the first I always figured it would be a lot more dificult than it actually was. They are very easy rifles to take down for cleaning, and as long as you clean and lube them properly and use good mags- you'll have a very reliable and accurate rifle.

rcmodel
December 22, 2007, 03:10 PM
i hope that you are a gi or where a gi to make a coment like that we can talk about our own but don't like stuff like that from outsiders.
U.S. Army Vietnam-era vet - 1964 - 70.
Anti-Tank Platoon Sargent when I was 25 years old.
5th. Army AMU Pistol/Rifle Team gunsmith & shooter - 1968 - 70.

Sorry if I offended anyone!
But if you are a vet, you know it was true!

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W.E.G.
December 22, 2007, 03:36 PM
Here's a little movie for ya.

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/?action=view&current=InternetArchiveDetailsRifle556mmXM1.flv

Dollar An Hour
December 22, 2007, 06:10 PM
Thanks W.E.G. Good AR 101 class. :)

W.E.G.
December 22, 2007, 06:24 PM
You're welcome I guess.

Photobucket chopped last 15 minutes of the video off.
I guess they want me to pay them money to put up bigger videos on their site.

Here's a link to the FULL-LENGTH video.

http://www.archive.org/details/Rifle556mmXM16E1OperationandCycleofFunctioningTF93663

W.E.G.
December 22, 2007, 06:36 PM
Now, here's the course book for the AR-5001 advanced class.

There will be a test on Monday.

http://www.archive.org/details/ArmyTechnicalManualforM16Rifle-Tm9-1005-249-23p

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