If I was looking for the most out-of-the-box accurate Remington in .223 or .308, which model should I be looking for? Also-I have not heard of Remington having anything like a Accutrigger, so besides a replacement trigger would I also be looking at a bedding job? Needless to say, I would not be hunting with this gun since I'm a wannabe target shooter at the range willing to accept the limitations imposed by a factory rifle.
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December 23, 2007, 03:54 PM
i'm not sure if its chambered in .223 or .308.. but i imagine the m 700 sendero sf is the most accurate "out of the box" remington
December 23, 2007, 04:07 PM
Also-I have not heard of Remington having anything like a Accutrigger, so besides a replacement trigger would I also be looking at a bedding job?
I just bought an older 700 ADL, and I also have a newer Savage .22 with an accutrigger. While both are nice, the 700 trigger (older models) is much more adjustable, and my 700 trigger eats the stock Savage one for lunch. The 700 trigger breaks like a glass rod.
December 23, 2007, 05:32 PM
out of the box...remington....700...not really much of a question in my opinion. just depends of the configuation you want. longer barrel usually has marginally better accuracy. .308 is probably a little more dependable accuracy wise too...
...but that's my opinion.
December 23, 2007, 05:46 PM
Another Remington 700 fan here. Any model n teh caliber you're looking for will do just fine. I have the CDL.
December 23, 2007, 05:56 PM
a 700 vls is a good way to go. if you can't handle the laminated stock, get a different heavy barrelled model.
Also-I have not heard of Remington having anything like a Accutrigger
and thank god for that.
so besides a replacement trigger would I also be looking at a bedding job?
just tune your factory trigger - it is easy to do, and will yield great results until you start shooting up to the potential of the rifle.
as for bedding, you'll want to bed any rifle you get for this purpose. not a big deal - $20 buys the kit, and 45 minutes of work does the job.
December 23, 2007, 05:58 PM
The 700's trigger is adjustable. Unless you're planning on building a full blown target rifle(long dollars), it's fine.
The Sendero does come in either .223 or .308. The SPS Varmint does though. So does the VLS. Otherwise, they're all the same action with different stocks and finishes.
Have a look at the Savages too.
The ammo you use is as important as the rifle. Factory match grade ammo isn't cheap though.
December 25, 2007, 01:07 AM
You might have a bit of a problem with "out of the box" as they haven't been made for quite some time, but they typically are very accurate and have one of, if not the fastest lock-time of any factory rifle. I have thre-.222 Rem,.22-250 Rem, and .308 Win. All three are very accurate rifles.
December 25, 2007, 01:10 PM
Rem 700SS 5R milspec
Comes in .308 only.
December 25, 2007, 01:40 PM
Remington 700CDL in .270 Winchester has been my most accurate rifle out of the box... Plenty of Ammo and Bullet weight choices in this Caliber...
The Annoyed Man
December 25, 2007, 02:46 PM
I own a Remington 700 VSF (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_VSF.asp) in .308, and it is extremely accurate. I've been able to shoot groups of .5" and less at 100 yards using commercial match ammunition (Federal 168 gr SMK HPBT). The trigger was heavy out of the box, but $50 spent at my local gunsmith got that adjusted down to 3.5 lbs, which is just about perfect for me. I'm no gunsmith, but if you know what you're doing, you can adjust it yourself. The rifle features a 26" fluted heavy barrel, a full length aluminum bedding block, all set in an HS Precision stock. MSRP is $1,159.00, but I bought mine new in the box (left-handed, no less) for $831.00.
The rifle is also available in .17 Fireball (Right handed only), .223, and .22-250 if you prefer a smaller caliber.
December 25, 2007, 10:36 PM
I second the Remington 788. Mine is in .223 and was made in 1975. It is a tack-driver. I love shooting it.
December 26, 2007, 01:06 AM
So you want the Remington that is the closest to a Savage? Something Freudian there.......
December 26, 2007, 01:16 AM
+1 I have one and it shoots great.
Rumor why it was not continued was that it was more accurate and cheaper than the 700. Just look on auction sites for good deals.
December 26, 2007, 05:27 AM
i would say, that generally speaking , out of the box, the savage is more accurate than the remmy. The remmy just has more after market goodies to make it more accurate.
December 26, 2007, 05:33 AM
Also, the dudes above are right on the 788; lock time is basically what happens from the time you pull the trigger, until the time stops when the firing pin hits the back of the primer. The 788 still has the fastest lock time ever made for a factory rifle, and you have to go very high end or aftermarket to beat it.
I just had an old 788, that i reconditioned, redid the stock, and had Mr. H., here in houston, do a 2 lb trigger job on it. It shoots factory remmy 243 100 grain ammo, into 1 jagged hole at 100 yds, with a FIXED 4 POWER weaver scope, which should be all but impossible, as 4 power is not enough juice to clearly see, x's or lines, on targets at 100 yds.
It is that fast lock time, that makes the bullet come out as soon as possible, so that you have less time to screw up, and move the rifle a bit, from the time you pull the trigger, to your flinching, or lifting your head up, etc.
December 27, 2007, 05:03 PM
If your into pump actions, go for the 7600, or a used 760 if you can find it. Been good to me.:)
December 27, 2007, 05:18 PM
Any Remington I've ever fired would shoot 1 moa. The heavy barrel models will exceed that considerably. And, I ain't met the Savage that could stand in a Remington's shadow for either stock trigger or out of the box accuracy. I own both, prefer Remington. My Savage is more picky about bullet. Took a while to get it shooting decent, had to try some different recipes and bullet types. I settled upon 150 game kings and 160 nosler partitions with it. Anything else was terrible, even Barnes and Hornady bullets. In addition, a 700 action is SO, so much slicker than a Savage. The Savage feels like it's running on sand paper, the Remington on ball bearings. The 700s are more refined, better fitted, finished guns and just plain look better, and there's a reason Remington actions are used so much for custom bench rest guns.
The out of the box 700 trigger would do most folks, can be set really light and crisp. But, pure bench guys go to the aftermarket. Me, I'm a hunter, 3 lbs is about right. Got to be able to feel the sear with heavy winter gloves on. I'm easy to please, crisp 3 lbs is perfect. That's as low as my Savage trigger (old non-accutrigger) will go. The 700 will set much lighter.
I fired a 5 shot 3/4" group the other day with my soda straw thin M7 and I'm not particular when reloading, either. I dump powder with a volume measure, don't sort cases (assorted military brass), nor weight and cull bullets. If I wanted to, I'm sure I could shrink that by at least a factor of 100 percent. Here again, bear in mind we're talkin' 6.5 lb carbine here, not target rifle. A stiffer barrel will, of course, shoot better, though my rifle is a HUNTING rifle and 3/4 MOA is MORE than accurate enough. At two hundred yards, it's like which hair follicle do you wanna hit? :D
Don't Tread On Me
December 27, 2007, 07:30 PM
MCgunner, that is blasphemy. Everyone knows that Savage is sub-moa out of the box! :rolleyes:
That is why Savage rifles dominate the shooting line at major competitions.
I have to second the Remington 700 5R MILSPEC. Very accurate and shoots just about anything great...
December 27, 2007, 07:56 PM
If your into pump actions, go for the 7600, or a used 760 if you can find it. Been good to me.
Oh, yeah, I've seen a lot of those at bench rest matches......:neener::D j//k He did say, though, that he wasn't a hunter, but a wannabe target shooter, perhaps match shooter.
December 27, 2007, 08:51 PM
That is why Savage rifles dominate the shooting line at major competitions.
Well, they did win the SOA competition at the F Class nationals. And put several guys in the top 15 with stock, factory guns. Probably would have won with Remingtons.
December 27, 2007, 09:43 PM
Oh, yeah, I've seen a lot of those at bench rest matches...... j//k He did say, though, that he wasn't a hunter, but a wannabe target shooter, perhaps match shooter.
AHEM! I shoot a Remington pump in matches and have placed as high as second place!
That being said I would pick the heavy barreled 700 of your choice. SPS to VSF to the soughtafter 700P they all shoot through a factory barrel so the accuracy potential between the different heavy barreled 700's is pretty much the same. The higher end models just get you nicer finishes and stocks.
December 27, 2007, 09:48 PM
Remington 700 Stainless Special 5R Mil-spec. You won't find that rifle on the Remington website, only 500 are made a year and are shipped through a single distributor.
It uses a HS Precision stock, mates it with the 700 Varmint action, with a 24" M24 barrel that is in a heavy profile. Almost all report 1/2 MOA groups, some reporting groups as low as 1/4 MOA.
December 27, 2007, 10:02 PM
Thank you krochus! Good job on almost first by the way!:neener::D
December 28, 2007, 01:36 PM
Well, I won a shoot or two with my bolt gun in .257 Roberts. Ain't looking for a pump action bench rest rifle anytime soon. ROFLMAO! But, good on ya with the pump. I never really got into even hunting with pump action rifles, though. I really don't know why, they work, just follow the crowd with the bolt guns I guess. Don't care for autos, either, even though my buddy shoots a very accurate .300 Win Mag Browning BAR. And, I have, but one lever gun.
December 28, 2007, 07:46 PM
I won a shoot or two with my bolt gun in .257 Roberts.
at this point I think we ALL know you like your .257 you don't have to bring it up in EVERY post.
You'll see just as many sporter barreled .257's in benchrest matches as you will remington pumps. BTW
December 29, 2007, 12:32 AM
Well, I'm glad in your infinite wisdom, you got my point. Finishing second or winning a match at a local gun club shoot don't mean it's a target rifle and you're ready for camp Perry, just means you out shot all the yokels that day, maybe their bolts got caught in their suspenders that day. Whatever. :rolleyes: But, the gun IS a Remington bolt gun.
Yeah, I mention it once in a while. I only have three real rifles, the rest are toys and mil surps and such. And, it is my most accurate by a very slight margin over my .308 and a larger margin over my Savage, that's why I've shot it at the range against the yokels.
February 4, 2009, 02:31 PM
I heard that Rem. 5r mil spec .308 is probably the most accurate out of the box rifle. So I bought one.