best semi-auto for under $400


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chute2thrill
December 23, 2007, 03:05 PM
i'm in the market for new semi-auto for under $400... it will be an ammo waster so i need one in a cheap to shoot caliber.. i've narrowed that down to 223 or 7.62 or .30 carbine... from what i've heard the saiga seems to be the glock of rifles... so its at the top of my list... i was wondering if i have other options though... maybe from a U.S. manufacturer... any input would be great. thanks...

also... i don't want a rimfire .22

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Dollar An Hour
December 23, 2007, 03:07 PM
Saiga 7.62...

IMO, .223 isn't inexpensive anymore.

DnPRK
December 23, 2007, 03:16 PM
Saiga is good. So is an SKS if you can get one with a good bore.

goon
December 23, 2007, 03:28 PM
Same thing - SKS and Saiga are about the only choices in your price range that you can actually shoot somewhat reasonably.

Taurus 617 CCW
December 23, 2007, 03:35 PM
Saiga, SKS or AK.

loosehorse
December 23, 2007, 04:15 PM
Saiga 7.62

sharkhunter2018
December 23, 2007, 04:27 PM
Saiga or SKS....thats about it.

marshall3
December 23, 2007, 04:30 PM
You could try a 9mm carbine, like a Hi Point, Kel Tec, or Beretta (too pricey!)

http://www.mouseguns.com/995carb.jpg

9mm ammo is cheaper than 7.62x39.

chute2thrill
December 23, 2007, 04:36 PM
it looks like i'll probably go with the saiga since they seem to be made better than the wasr or sks... i'll fess up... i'll probably be bump firing the hell out of this gun... it'll be my pure fun gun.. now i just have to decide on a caliber

Geno
December 23, 2007, 04:43 PM
Made better than an SKS? I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around that one. The SKS is one of the best-built firearms I have yet seen.

Roadwild17
December 23, 2007, 04:44 PM
go with a saiga, if you ever some across a little more $$$ you can convert it into its rightfull AK format.

chute2thrill
December 23, 2007, 04:45 PM
honestly i have zero experiance with an AK, sks, or saiga platforms... thats why i'm tryin to get some info...i'm just going by what i've read

possum
December 23, 2007, 08:05 PM
Saiga 7.62...

IMO, .223 isn't inexpensive anymore.
no ammo is inexpensive anymore it is sad really!

you can get an ak or an sks for that much. i would go the ak route.

Mr White
December 23, 2007, 08:19 PM
it looks like i'll probably go with the saiga since they seem to be made better than the wasr or sks... ROTFLMFAO!!!!
No. No. No. No. No. You've drastically misunderstood something along the way.
SKSs are extremely wall made guns. The fit and finish wouldn't lead one to believe that, but they are tanks. Durability and reliability are the best qualitues of the SKS.

Deer Hunter
December 23, 2007, 08:21 PM
Easily the sagia.

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blitzen
December 23, 2007, 09:05 PM
I took my Saiga 7.62x39 to the range for the first time today. Zero malfs. Shoots great. Eats up the cheap Wolf ammo!! I've seen 7.62 rifles from $275 to $350 depending on stock options. It won't replace the M1a or the XCR but I'm really happy to have one.

Anteater1717
December 23, 2007, 09:14 PM
Welcome to the world of the Russian SKS-45.


Cheap can be had sub $400.00 in this condition.

Minute of torso out to 300yds.

Cheep Ammo ~$4.25 a box.

Probably the most reliable center-fire semi-auto on the planet.

Has a bad ass bayonet.

It's Ca legal.

Has collectors value so it's probably going to be worth more than $800.00 in five years, if it's still even legal. Remember no new ones are being made.

Just plane fun.


http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1218/stuff008ck1.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuff008ck1.jpg)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2360/stuff003ok0.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuff003ok0.jpg)

Made better than an SKS? I have a difficult time wrapping my mind around that one. The SKS is one of the best-built firearms I have yet seen.
I completely agree, if it's a Russian.

okiewita40
December 23, 2007, 09:20 PM
My first vote would be for the Saiga then the SKS. Leave the wasr out of it. Seems like too many of them with problems to fix as soon as you get them. This is of course depending on who you are buying them from. The .223 & 7.62x39 are not inexpensive to shoot. Just less expensive to shoot.

H2O MAN
December 23, 2007, 09:27 PM
best semi-auto for under $400

i'm in the market for new semi-auto for under $400... it will be an ammo waster so i need one in a cheap to shoot caliber..

Deals are out there... just last year I purchased a like new Poly Tech MAK 90 for $325.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/MAK90HD-001.jpg

These are great AK rifles and ammo is available. Look for a slightly used MAK 90.

Vaarok
December 23, 2007, 10:52 PM
MAS-49/56 7.62x51 conversion, if it works.

spiroxlii
December 23, 2007, 11:14 PM
I have two SKS carbines. They are both reliable as hell, and I was lucky to buy them for less than $200 each. They were made in several different countries. Russian ones are in high demand, clearly. Yugoslavian ones are EVERYWHERE right now. Chinese ones are pretty common too. I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it. I like my Chinese SKS better than my Yugo one, but the Yugo one does look "cooler" because of its integrated grenade launcher and flip-up grenade sight.

I'm sure both rifles are capable of MUCH better accuracy than I am capable of as a shooter right now, but I get better groups out of the Chinese SKS. I don't know if that's because the Yugo SKS is slightly heavier and bulkier or if it has something to do with barrel wear on the Yugo since its bore is not chrome-lined.

I chose the SKS over most of the AKs on the market, because the "real world" difference between a semi-auto AK and an SKS didn't seem to justify paying $100 more for an AK. With an SKS I give up the option to use removable high-capacity magazines like an AK can, but I got a rifle that would fire off ten rounds of 7.62x39 without any problems. The AK design itself is a wonderful one, but the weapon's own popularity is its main problem. It's been produced by so many different makers in so many different countries that it can get confusing when you're looking to buy one. Some AKs work beautifully out of the box and last forever. Others will give you headaches.

chute2thrill
December 24, 2007, 05:56 AM
thanks everyone for all the info... even though i'm probably going to get totally burned... i do have a couple more questions.. then i promise i'm done.. can a sks be found thats brand new?? what are the differences between a saiga and an sks?? and what are some of your personal preferences between the 2... thanks again everyone...

Eric F
December 24, 2007, 06:18 AM
I am suprised no one has gone to bat for a M1 carbine here. Why not get something that is easy to get parts for and easy to reload for. 30 carbine is supereasy to reload and cheap to reload also. 223 and 762x39 are both bottle neck requireing lubeing cases=pain to reload. also when something breaks on a sks where do you buy NEW parts? Ak stuff is fun and all but to me accuracy sucks on them

ohioarmedneutrality
December 24, 2007, 08:28 AM
Gun-sellers do have "unissued" SKS rifles, but I'm not sure if they are still being made present-day. Does that still count as "new"?
I think your best bet, if your choice is between an SKS and a Saiga, is to get the "evil black rifle" (Saiga) before the Lizard Queen gets coronated in January 2008. Or maybe both.

outofbattery
December 24, 2007, 09:02 AM
Just to be contrarian: Romanian SAR-2 as 5.45 is about the most reasonably priced these days.If not,then a Saiga and the cost offset makes the sting of 5.56 cost these days a little less.

spiroxlii
December 24, 2007, 09:59 AM
Norinco in China is still making new SKS carbines, but the US is not importing any new small arms from China.

You can find SKS carbines in anywhere from "very good" to "unissued" condition for reasonable prices, though. They may not be much to look at, but neither is an AK.

KrankyKraut
December 24, 2007, 01:31 PM
I'd go for a Chinese or Russian SKS. The SKS is much better made than the Saiga. It feels solid and substantial compared to the thinner and cheaper feel of the Saiga.

JKimball
December 24, 2007, 02:38 PM
I got my yugo SKS a couple years ago when they were under $100 so I could keep something in my truck that wouldn't be a huge loss if it got stolen. I didn't have really high expectations for it, and so I have only gained more and more respect for it the more I have shot it. I took it out a couple days ago and shot it at 200 and 300 yards for the first time and was staying right on target with the stock iron sights. That was fun. But if you're more into the bump firing kind of fun I'd say you're right to go with the Saiga.

chute2thrill
December 24, 2007, 09:41 PM
thanks everyone again...

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