The M1 Garand may be the rifle for me?


PDA






Glock19Fan
December 24, 2007, 02:13 AM
Hello.

I have been bitten by the bug to get another rifle. I want a .308 or .30-06, with decent accuracy (2MOA or less if possible), preferably semi auto, rugged and reliable.

I was recommended the M1 garand on another forum, and found some for sale online. I was just wondering if these were any good. FWIW, I was looking at the "Service Grade" rifles, but I am not sure which manufacturer to get. $595 doesnt sound too bad (less than $700 to my doorstep with fees and all).

Are there any better, or cheaper options out there, or is this a match?

Any other advice/comments/suggestions/experience?

Thanks!

If you enjoyed reading about "The M1 Garand may be the rifle for me?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Yosemite**Sam
December 24, 2007, 04:00 AM
Run, Run, Run fast and far away. I got the Garand fever last year and bought 7 of them in a short period of time.

Most will agree that Springfield made the best receivers and they certainly made the most garands. Springfield also made recievers for International Harvester for a short period of time, although you won't find an IH for under $1200.00 these days.

H&R made some nice Garands. Keep in mind that H&R and IH were both made it the 50's. H&R's can be had off Gunbroker for a decent price.

Only Springfield and Winchester produced Garands during WWII. Winchester's can be a little pricey.

I'd probably start with a Springfield. After that, buy some of Scott Duff's and Joe Poyer's Garand books and good luck tracking down what you want.

dmftoy1
December 24, 2007, 08:28 AM
I absolutely love Garands and I don't think you'd go wrong getting one, but I would say that 2 MOA or less is going to be difficult on a Service Grade. You have a chance of getting one that would do that but my experience has been that it'll probably not be a regular sub 2 MOA rifle as delivered by CMP. Of course I'm a terrible shot so take it for what it's worth. :)

The coolest thing about the Garands is that you are holding a piece of history. To get one from the CMP is pretty simple and you get good instruction on how the rifle works, how you should be shooting it and a pretty good time as well. If you're a history buff you can even request a receiver with a WWII or Korean serial number and most people that I've talked to have gotten what they've asked for.

Just my .02

Have a good one,
Dave

Swampy
December 24, 2007, 09:08 AM
I would say that 2 MOA or less is going to be difficult on a Service Grade. You have a chance of getting one that would do that but my experience has been that it'll probably not be a regular sub 2 MOA rifle as delivered by CMP.

Ditto....

I own MANY M1 rifles, most bought through the CMP program, and it is a fine rifle indeed that will hold 2 MOA @ 100 yards with M2 ball. You CAN help things a bit by shooting Match ammo or good handloads.

When new, the M1 rifle had to pass an accuracy standard of: 8 shots into 4.0 MOA @ 100 yards with M2 ball. If the rifle could not meet this it was downchecked and sent back for repairs. Most of the Service Grade and higher rifles from CMP will still meet this today, but some won't. With the lower grades having higher barrel wear readings, your chances for good accuracy diminish a bit.

Reasonable expectation for any Service Grade or better M1 rifle and M2 ball is somewhere in the 2-1/2 to 3-1/2 MOA range with the small ends of the bell curve going off either end of that.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever

Baba Louie
December 24, 2007, 09:45 AM
The only down side to owning and shooting a Garand might be... might, mind you, the ammunition choice must be managed as new commercial rounds tend to blow out of the barrel with a little too much oomph. So you need to either reload to WWII ammo specs, shoot surplus or modify a part or two in the gas operating system.

Having said that, heck yes you need at least one. Two is better than one and three is better than two.

You can put some money into one to the point where you've got a match grade 1-2MOA shooter if you choose to... but why? With open sights 3-4 MOA is still doing some good shooting.

davera
December 24, 2007, 10:20 AM
modify a part or two in the gas operating system.

The Schuster and/or McCann adjustable gas plugs are the only parts you have to change and they're easy to use. They are not permanent modifications and you cannot tell they are different from the originals unless you really know what you are looking at.

Blackfork
December 24, 2007, 10:31 AM
I've shot a couple of does with my Garand. I've used it in matches and other folks as well. I won the Texas Garand Championship this year with a rack grade that just happens to shoot OK. They are fun to shoot.

I think every firearms enthusiast ought to be familiar with and own a Garand. I hear the latest ones at the CMP are pretty good, though I would encourage you to get the best grade you can.

The CMP has millions of rounds of HXP Greek 30-06 ammo. It's about 55 bucks a can, unshipped. I seems to be pretty good ammo.

I'd buy one and find a couple of Garand Matches or take it deer hunting.

iamkris
December 24, 2007, 12:43 PM
I was just wondering if these were any good.

Nah, being the main battle rifle of the US military in a good chunk of WWII and Korea really doesn't give it a pedigree. Garands are cheap junk that makes a HiPoint look like a Perazzi

Are there any better, or cheaper options out there, or is this a match?

This is a really hard question to answer...my first response would be "for what?" Are you buying the rifle for historical value? Hunting? Plinking? Target shooting? SHTF? Long range shooting? Just to have? All purpose? For each of these questions, I can come up with a rifle that is better suited than a Garand (except, for me, the "historical" category). Hunting? I'd rather have my Tikka T3. Plinking? I'd rather have my FAL. Target shooting? I'd rather have my M1A. SHTF? I'd rather have my Para FAL...and so on. It still doesn't mean you shouldn't buy a Garand. I have 3 but they aren't the be-all-end-all.

Glock19Fan
December 25, 2007, 01:16 AM
iamkris- I wasnt talking about the rifles in general. I was asking about the specific rifles that are being sold. As with many surplus rifles, you have to be careful, and I was wondering if the same held true.

I have my Bushy M4 for many tasks FWIW.

Thanks for the replies, and more are always welcome!

auberg
December 25, 2007, 10:03 AM
For those who tell you its an addiction, that is an understatement.

I bought my first one in January of this year, and bought 1 a month for the first 3 months of this year. I still want several more.

I'm not telling you to get one, I'm just saying to be prepared to buy several.

BTW, do yourself a favor and buy ammo from the CMP. The price is reasonable, and it shoots well.

Good Luck.

iamkris
December 25, 2007, 12:08 PM
I was asking about the specific rifles that are being sold.

Sorry, that wasn't obvious from your question. Again, a search of the many threads on this forum would have shown that the CMP is by far the best way to get a high ratio of condition/quality to price.

The Deer Hunter
December 25, 2007, 12:57 PM
Try picking one up...They weigh like 12-13 lbs....

Swampy
December 25, 2007, 01:21 PM
Try picking one up...They weigh like 12-13 lbs....

9.5 lb.... actually.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever

iamkris
December 25, 2007, 02:27 PM
Try picking one up...They weigh like 12-13 lbs....

Start lifting weights

tasco 74
December 25, 2007, 02:42 PM
m-1s are neat rifles... i shot a clip through my friend's garand and i had never shot anything that kicked so d^mn hard!:eek::what: it had the metal butt plate and i wasn't used to shooting much more than a full house .357 handgun.. i had no idea 30-06s kicked that hard! i was under the impression that I-H made reicevers for the m-1 garand under contract to the military.. if i was ever to get one i'd like to an I-H made gun.. i also heard mattel toy co. made m-16s if true that's the kind i'd want..........................

BobTheTomato
December 25, 2007, 02:46 PM
Its a great piece of American History. Get a service grade and a can of ammo from CMP.

The Annoyed Man
December 25, 2007, 03:08 PM
Try picking one up...They weigh like 12-13 lbs....
9.5 lb.... actually....in other words, not much different from the weight of a good heavy barreled bolt action varmint rifle with scope mounted... ...in other words, not that bad.

pdh
December 25, 2007, 03:17 PM
Love...these great rifles...After getting mine...I saved some money and had them spruced up a bit.....

30-06 Garand....target shot at 50yds...eight rounds

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/hainespd/M1target.jpg


My 308 Garand....target shot at 200yds

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/hainespd/M1200ydgroup.jpg

iamkris
December 25, 2007, 06:14 PM
Since everyone else is posting theirs.

My CMP Garands. 2 Service grades (both SA, one is 1939 and one is 1944 manufactured) and the other is a 42 "special".

http://i2.tinypic.com/52arn7t.jpg

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1039/specialwy2.jpg

highorder
December 25, 2007, 06:30 PM
never thought of the M1 as a hard kicker...

now I had a Ruger M77Mk1 in .30-06 that kicked like a mule. weight and stock fit makes all the difference.

ma96782
December 25, 2007, 07:06 PM
IMHO.......

1) Find a "qualifying" club and join.......it's part of the requirement.*

2) Find a Match to attend.

3) Shoot the match.....it qualifies you.

4) Fill out the paperwork and apply to buy a rifle from the CMP.

5) Wait. The delivery will be made to your door. (or depending on where you live, you might have to p/u at the main office).

6) Now, you'll have a story to pass down and along, to your kids and friends.

*certain requirements can be waived........see the web site for details.

http://www.odcmp.com/

Aloha, Mark

iamkris
December 25, 2007, 07:28 PM
never thought of the M1 as a hard kicker...

It isn't...

But then again, if you've never shot a rifle of any kind, I suppose it seems quite impressive.

Smokehouse69
December 25, 2007, 08:34 PM
If you are a former member of the Military, or Reserves, you do not have to qualify.
All you have to do is send a copy of your DD214 and join a qualified club. Grand Collector's is a good one to join.
I've got a Service grade and an Rack Grade Garand from CMP and they are both great rifles. As far as quality there is very little difference in the two rifles and they both shoot under 2 MOA at 100 yards with hand loads.
Best value in the world for a shooter that wants and very good mil-surp semi-automatic rifle.

Neo-Luddite
December 25, 2007, 10:37 PM
Glock19Fan:

Just don't tell your M-4--it will get jealous.

The CMP will take good care of you--anything they sell will be as described and it isn't like dealing with some fly-by-night company; if it isn't right, they will fix your problem with the weapon.

And the Greek ammo--is a value we will likely not see again. The Greeks adored the M-1; they made ammo for it that was made with obvious care and packed to store for generations.

Swampy
December 25, 2007, 10:51 PM
m-1s are neat rifles... i shot a clip through my friend's garand and i had never shot anything that kicked so d^mn hard! it had the metal butt plate and i wasn't used to shooting much more than a full house .357 handgun.. i had no idea 30-06s kicked that hard! i was under the impression that I-H made reicevers for the m-1 garand under contract to the military.. if i was ever to get one i'd like to an I-H made gun..

You obviously have not fired much at all in a highpower rifle then.... Just take a try at just about ANY bolt action rifle of 30 caliber and you'll see what REAL recoil is like. As 30 cals go the M1 rifle is a pussycat, recoil wise. The gas system attenuates the recoil quite a bit over what you'd experience in a rifle without a gas system.

RE IHC M1 rifles..... IHC made complete rifles during the period 1952-1955. Approx 400k's worth.

Best,
Swampy

Garands forever

Oohrah
December 26, 2007, 02:01 AM
Probably the best buy you will ever find. My first issue was Nov.57 and
have been hooked ever since!!!!:) Presently own a tanker, Match in a 308
caliber, and three regular ones purchased in the early 80s from DCM.
These are capable and and used to qualify each year in the Marine Corps
of hitting a man sized target at 500 yards and closer. Reliability has never
been a problem in the 50 years I have used one. It surely can not be
said about some others:evil: Like those responders before me, the CMP
would be the number one for obtaining one:D

mustanger98
December 26, 2007, 09:17 PM
I agree that the Garand doesn't kick that hard... in fact, standing offhand and wrapped into the sling, I hardly notice the recoil.

I agree that the weight of the weapon and stock fit make a lot of difference.

Comparing my Garand with my Nat'l Ord. 1903A3, which is also .30-06... and again, from standing offhand and wrapped in... I don't notice the recoil with the '03A3 either. But again, stock fit.

dirtyjim
December 26, 2007, 10:36 PM
right now i only have one garand , unfired & papered type 2 national match. it was purchased as an investment & many moons from now will be sold or traded. it came from the erie army depot in 1964 & was $152 shipped. i have both copies of the armory release paperwork, the shipping receipt from the freight company that delivered it & the shipping label from the box. the pawnshop i got it from didn't have the box or the sling.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/dirtyjim/nm.jpg

i've been looking for a garand shooter for a while but i haven't seen one i just had to have yet

KODB
December 26, 2007, 11:05 PM
They don't call it Garanditis for nothing. You'll find that Garand rifles are like potato chips; you can't have just one. Do a search here and thr-wide; you'll find a tremendous amount of knowledge about a tremendous weapons system.
Definitely go the CMP route and get some ammo! The only things I've ever regretted from CMP were the rifles or ammo I passed on getting from them. I nearly always regret it!

Regards,
Bob

Brian Dale
December 27, 2007, 11:32 PM
tasco 74, pull that metal butt plate firmly into the pocket that you form between your pectorals and your right deltoid as you raise your right elbow nice and high. You'll be able to shoot a lot more before recoil wears you down. :)
Do that with any rifle.

Yeah, M1s are neat rifles.

Edited to add: oh yeah, tasco 74, you should get yours from the CMP, too. And a whole lot of the Greek ammo. You know that you'll have to own one; they won't get any cheaper. :evil:

Wolfgang2000
December 27, 2007, 11:57 PM
I had a "tanker" in 308 for a little while. It was a fine and accurate rifle. However I wanted to scope it, and being left handed that wasn't a option then. Now days that have a scout mount for them.

Stock up on the clips.

If you enjoyed reading about "The M1 Garand may be the rifle for me?" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!