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usmarine0352_2005
December 24, 2007, 06:43 PM
I figure someone said something about this movie months ago, when came up. But I don't have all day to do the search, and I just watched it.

This movie came out on DVD today and I got that and "Eastern Promises."

I thought the movie was really good. And although a few problems with guns (unlimited ammo in one scene) were present. The movie was nice.

I don't let movie mistakes ruin a movie for me. So, I give this movie two thumbs up. Lots of action and it's good.

Definitely worth buying.

Merry Christmas

P.S. Next up: "Eastern Promises".

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Bazooka Joe71
December 24, 2007, 06:44 PM
P.S. Next up: "Eastern Promises".

Let me know how that goes...That's what i want to see.

1911RjB
December 24, 2007, 06:46 PM
Quote:
P.S. Next up: "Eastern Promises".

Let me know how that goes...That's what i want to see.

Don't waste your time...

CountGlockula
December 24, 2007, 06:48 PM
Looking forward to watching The Kingdom...Hk's are nice.

usmarine0352_2005
December 24, 2007, 10:37 PM
Don't waste your time...

Was it that bad?

cajun47
December 24, 2007, 10:47 PM
i give it two thumbs down.

Zach S
December 24, 2007, 11:24 PM
Seemed like a typical Mann flick IMO (even though he didnt direct it). A little boring at times, but too good to turn off. Not as much action as I was expecting, but enough to keep me satisfied.

I liked it. I'll probably buy it.

22_Shooter
December 25, 2007, 02:59 AM
I just bought "The Kingdom" too. The one thing I thought was a little off was in the "drive-by's" in the beginning through the US neighborhood. The shooter had an M4 and it showed the rounds going through the front of the house, and blowing straight through the back of the house. A little exaggerated, no?

George Hill
December 25, 2007, 03:06 AM
I thought The Kingdom was seriously awesome and Foxx is an actor that as come into his own. The rest of the cast did great, including Jennifer Garner who has finally redeemed herself from Electra. The dude from Arrested Development, who I've always considered silly, came out as solid too... his fighting when many would have given up and given in... that was awesome. I especially liked the directing, which gave it that "Your Are There Too" feeling. Made the move all the more visceral and alive. It wasn't a movie made for a dumb audience.

garrettej8
December 25, 2007, 03:21 AM
I'm sorry but Jennifer Garner cannot act but she didn't do too bad in The Kingdom. It was a decent movie but was a bit exaggerated like someone else said.

Eastern Promises was horrible. I could only watch like 45 minutes of it. The plot was horrible and so was the acting. Definitely not purchasing material in my opinion.

22_Shooter
December 25, 2007, 03:31 AM
It sucks to hear bad reviews about Eastern Promises. I had high hopes for that one and was gonna buy it when it came out on the 1st. Maybe I'll just rent it.

FireArmFan
December 25, 2007, 04:50 AM
Loved The Kingdom. I bought it the day it came out. I just watched Eastern Promises. It wasn't that great. I didn't like the ending especially.

gunsmith
December 25, 2007, 04:59 AM
Except of course, no gun fights.
I was gonna rent Kingdom because J Garner had a properly indexed finger
on the cover.
When an action flick shows "experts" with no finger control, it ruins the movie.
They were out of the movie so next week I guess.

vis--vis
December 25, 2007, 08:20 AM
Re: Eastern Promises: The one fight scene with all the gratuitous penis shots was pretty intense. In the theater, the woman behind me almost threw up when someone's eyeball was taken out with a knife.

I enjoyed it, but then I enjoy most anything with organized crime overtones.

outofbattery
December 25, 2007, 10:38 AM
I thought Eastern Promises was excellent.If you're looking for a pure action movie,it's not for you.If your idea of what makes a good movie is the number of John Woo POL dump explosions,you're going to be disappointed.I prefer gritty to wow factor.

The Kingdom was well done,at least better than I expected it to be.The cinematography was actually quite good and that's what I liked best about it.

LoadedDrum
December 25, 2007, 10:54 AM
Other than the Saudi with the M4 that had no rear sight, I did not notice any glaring gun mistakes. I liked all the 552's they had in that movie but they were not shooting them unforunately.

usmarine0352_2005
December 25, 2007, 01:06 PM
Actually, some guy's don't use rear sights. I believe some of the Mossad don't use them.

I think Jeff Cooper said something along the lines of, "Blessed is the man who uses only his front sight tip."

The only problems I saw, and there might be more, but I was sort of doing two things at once, not just watching the movie was:

1.) The two terrorists in the beginning who were shooting and driving the car never reloaded.

2.) .223 rounds penetrating houses.

But I don't let things like that ruin movies for me.

I think my bro watches movies like Star Wars and goes, this movie's horrible, there's not such things as Wookies!!!!!! (Damn Killjoy. LOL)




Eastern Promises: Good movie. HOWEVER, not any action in it. Besides one scene. It's more of a drama. So if your looking for action, this is NOT the movie. If I had seen it before, it's worth a rental, maybe, not worth buying.

What is cool is that you get an insight into what the Russian Mob is like and how forward progress and advancement has sort of been halted in Russia. Like there 30 years behind rest of the world.

usmarine0352_2005
December 25, 2007, 01:10 PM
Re: Eastern Promises: The one fight scene with all the gratuitous penis shots was pretty intense. In the theater, the woman behind me almost threw up when someone's eyeball was taken out with a knife.

I enjoyed it, but then I enjoy most anything with organized crime overtones.

I've never enjoyed any penis shots.

But whatever floats your boat.

LOL. J/K.

That scene was crazy. I'd hate to be in that situation. Luckily it doesn't happen much at the o'l Lifetime Fitness.

vis--vis
December 25, 2007, 01:18 PM
Haha....Noooo please don't take it that way man. I enjoyed it as in the movie, which has organized crime overtones.

oldgold
December 25, 2007, 01:29 PM
The shooter had an M4 and it showed the rounds going through the front of the house, and blowing straight through the back of the house. A little exaggerated, no?

I shot up a house slated for demolition once. Typical farm house intact except for the roof. .22 rimfire from a 10-22 , ten rounds. Six blew through the front wall, interior wall, and out the back wall. Four hit studs and were stopped. A .223 FMJ probably wouldn't have noticed the walls.

akodo
December 25, 2007, 01:32 PM
If jeff cooper said "blessed is the man who only uses his front sights" my instincts tell me he was A) refering to the handgun, B) planning on having a 2nd half that read 'because only with God's help will you hit a distant opponent, C) didn't include the word ONLY, as in, especially for handguns, when the SHTF, it is easy to totally point shoot, remembering just your front sight will help loads in accuracy

Ragnar Danneskjold
December 25, 2007, 01:53 PM
Maybe he has a flip up read sight that broke off in all the car-crashing and gun fighting?

Pigspitter
December 25, 2007, 04:01 PM
The SEALS completely removed the sights from their M60's when they chopped them up and aimed by instinct.

bogie
December 25, 2007, 07:47 PM
Instinct doesn't drop targets. Bullets that hit drop targets. Sights are there for a reason.

The shooter had an M4 and it showed the rounds going through the front of the house, and blowing straight through the back of the house. A little exaggerated, no?

You'd be surprised at what won't stop a relatively underpowered centerfire round like the .223... Unless you get your ballistic data from the A-Team reruns...

If someone is loaded with FMJ, I want a whole lot of dirt between me and them. Notice I didn't say "tree" or "brick."

22_Shooter
December 25, 2007, 08:48 PM
I shot up a house slated for demolition once. Typical farm house intact except for the roof. .22 rimfire from a 10-22 , ten rounds. Six blew through the front wall, interior wall, and out the back wall. Four hit studs and were stopped. A .223 FMJ probably wouldn't have noticed the walls.

:scrutiny::scrutiny::scrutiny:

novaDAK
December 25, 2007, 08:59 PM
Didn't see the Kingdom yet, but it's on my list to rent. For Christmas, I did get a few good movies...Tears of the Sun, Jarhead, etc. Watched Jarhead...that was a damn good movie, in every way I could think of (IMO)

Autolycus
December 25, 2007, 09:04 PM
I enjoyed both movies very much. The knife fight in Eastern Promises was very intense.

I like the Kingdom very much.

Zach S
December 25, 2007, 09:58 PM
I shot up a house slated for demolition once. Typical farm house intact except for the roof. .22 rimfire from a 10-22 , ten rounds. Six blew through the front wall, interior wall, and out the back wall. Four hit studs and were stopped. A .223 FMJ probably wouldn't have noticed the walls.
.223 tends to fragment after hitting something due to the much higher velocity, instead of going through several walls like a pistol round.

I think this actually gets discussed bi-weekly in the rifle forum and in S&T. Do a search for "rifle home defense." Plenty of info, more than I could recall. I stopped reading them after a while.

Leif Runenritzer
December 26, 2007, 01:22 AM
Words on the box of Eastern Promises include "from the director of History of Violence" plus "graphic sex". No thanks. The Kingdom was good whilst i watched it, but in retrospect, it was only alright. Characters were mildly likeable, action was good, not a waste of time, but i don't think i'd stay focussed a second time.

bogie
December 26, 2007, 05:09 PM
Guys... .223 VARMINT bullets tend to fragment. But if you have the thing loaded with thicker-jacketed FMJ or steel core, it's gonna keep going, and blow a hole right through the Energizer Bunny in the back yard.

Problem is that someone sees "this .223 varmint bullet blows up on impact" and assumes that means ALL .223 will do that. Not so.

usmarine0352_2005
December 27, 2007, 12:51 AM
Guys... .223 VARMINT bullets tend to fragment. But if you have the thing loaded with thicker-jacketed FMJ or steel core, it's gonna keep going, and blow a hole right through the Energizer Bunny in the back yard.

Problem is that someone sees "this .223 varmint bullet blows up on impact" and assumes that means ALL .223 will do that. Not so.

Correct.

Military 5.56mm has what's called a "Tungsten Steel Penetrator", which is basically a metal rod that is inside the shell, so when the round hits a target, the outer casing may mushroom, but if their wearing body armor, the penetrator will go thru that and hopefully kill the target.

bogie
December 27, 2007, 05:22 AM
The jacket doesn't so much "mushroom" as "strip off." And for a heavy jacket with a lead core, it pretty much will stay together... Most "body armor" won't stop the average .223 FMJ.

dmftoy1
December 27, 2007, 07:44 AM
+1 for Kingdom

-29 for Eastern Promises. (what a turd of a movie .. .I had high hopes)

Wasn't that a .308 that Jamie Fox was shooting to take out the mercedes in the interstate shootout? I'm not completely sure but it sure seemed heavier to me. (maybe I'll watch it again. :) )

Have a good one,
Dave

jobu07
December 27, 2007, 08:39 AM
Guys... .223 VARMINT bullets tend to fragment. But if you have the thing loaded with thicker-jacketed FMJ or steel core, it's gonna keep going, and blow a hole right through the Energizer Bunny in the back yard.

Problem is that someone sees "this .223 varmint bullet blows up on impact" and assumes that means ALL .223 will do that. Not so.

Correct.

Military 5.56mm has what's called a "Tungsten Steel Penetrator", which is basically a metal rod that is inside the shell, so when the round hits a target, the outer casing may mushroom, but if their wearing body armor, the penetrator will go thru that and hopefully kill the target.

theboxotruth.com not scientific but fgood info nonetheless on bullets and walls.

stevek
December 27, 2007, 08:57 AM
We saw "The Kingdom" in the theater and thought it was great. We bought it on DVD and are planning to watch it again this AM. I wonder how many people realize that the scene where the Grandfather basically tells the grandson that they will eventually win, is reality?

usmarine0352_2005
December 27, 2007, 09:59 PM
We saw "The Kingdom" in the theater and thought it was great. We bought it on DVD and are planning to watch it again this AM. I wonder how many people realize that the scene where the Grandfather basically tells the grandson that they will eventually win, is reality?

Are you saying that the terrorists will eventually win?


I don't think that the terrorists will eventually "win". Because I don't think there is such a thing as winning this war on terror.

It will be and endless battle that we must always combat. Just like crime. It is never ending. Once the door opened on Sept. 11, that was the beginning. I know there will be more attacks on American soil. Not as complex or dramatic as Sept. 11, but bad nonetheless.

However, I thought it was one of the best ending's ever. Because it shows that we think alike. They are the bad guys to us, and to them, we are the bad guys.

Sad, really. But so true.

strangelittleman
December 27, 2007, 10:06 PM
Fun movie. The knife scene near the end was excellent. More movies should have good knife work in them.

DMK
December 27, 2007, 10:13 PM
However, I thought it was one of the best ending's ever. Because it shows that we think alike. They are they bad guys to us, and to them, we are the bad guys.

Sad, really. But so true.Agreed. That's why there are wars. If folks thought that they were wrong, they wouldn't be dying for their cause. The Viet Cong also thought we were the bad guys as did the Imperial Japanese, as did the Filipino Moro's.

War is the ultimate disagreement. Both sides so frustrated with the other that they feel violence is their only remaining option.

iamkris
December 27, 2007, 10:19 PM
All I could think of during The Kingdom, was what a lot of really expensive firearms the Saudi units had. There were HK MP5s, at least one HK91 (the one that Jamie Foxx uses on the highway), several SIG551s, I think a G36 or two and lots of M16s/M4s.

22_Shooter
December 28, 2007, 12:08 AM
However, I thought it was one of the best ending's ever. Because it shows that we think alike. They are the bad guys to us, and to them, we are the bad guys.

I thought that was a very interesting ending too. The kind that makes you think.

usmarine0352_2005
December 28, 2007, 12:17 AM
All I could think of during The Kingdom, was what a lot of really expensive firearms the Saudi units had. There were HK MP5s, at least one HK91 (the one that Jamie Foxx uses on the highway), several SIG551s, I think a G36 or two and lots of M16s/M4s.

Yeap.

When I was in Afghanistan they all had HK's and other expensive weaponry.

stevek
December 28, 2007, 07:38 AM
Are you saying that the terrorists will eventually win?


Absolutely not. What I am saying, is that they mean what they say, and that more of us had better start realizing that.

hexidismal
December 28, 2007, 07:47 AM
+1 for Kingdom
-29 for Eastern Promises. (what a turd of a movie .. .I had high hopes)

That sounds just about right to me. I was barely able to sit though Eastern Promises, it was so awful and boring. And that's coming from me, a Russian and a well trained knife fighter.

The Kingdom on the other hand had some flaws but was still pretty watchable.

Commander Guineapig
December 28, 2007, 10:21 AM
I saw the previews for "The Kingdom"...


I have to admit, I'm a sucker for a good action flick, but I have to ask this...
What about the politics?
My point is that Hollywood is notoriously liberal and anti-gun, "there are no more terrorist then we, the US make", blah blah blah.
That being said, how are the politics of this movie? Is it fairly realistic or are we looking at another Syriana?
I just hate it when a good movie ends up getting all liberal wussed out.
GP

iamkris
December 28, 2007, 11:47 AM
What about the politics?

I didn't feel like the politics were out of line, and I'm usually pretty sensitive about this.

The movie mostly shows that terrorists are well embedded in the Saudi culture, they are protected by the population, the government is fairly inept either through incompetence, pandering, fear or active support of terror (or all of the above) and there are good people whereever you go/look. It also, as pointed out above, it shows the terrorists are just as dedicated as we are...plus, they are in it for the long haul...can't say that about the vast majority of the free world.

I really didn't see any anti-US sentiment in the flick.

Breakdaddy
December 28, 2007, 12:44 PM
Agree with iamkris. The movie doesnt hit you over the head with a political agenda at all.

bogie
December 28, 2007, 02:31 PM
The Kingdom is a police story.

All these firearms aren't expensive, if you are military... Only if you're an American civilian...

These folks are more dedicated than the Hatfields and McCoys, by a long shot. Their culture is one of patient revenge. VERY patient. Our grandchildren are going to be fighting this war, and not because of the invasions, etc., of the past five-six years - because of stuff that happened centuries ago.

The sooner our sound-bite culture realizes that these folks DO NOT think in sound bites, the better.

nwilliams
December 28, 2007, 02:53 PM
I liked The Kingdom, didn't really have a problem with any of the shooting scenes, I didn't think they were any better or worse than the shooting scenes in countless other Hollywood movies. The movie itself was well made and the story interesting, I'll be adding it to my dvd collection at some point.

Eastern Promises was good but it wasn't what I expected so I was a little disappointed. There wasn't much action other than the knife fight scene and I could have lived without seeing Aragorn's junk:rolleyes:
(Yes I know that's not his name but he'll always be Aragorn to me no matter what movie he stars in:D)

I also didn't like the ending of Eastern Promises but I won't go into why so as not to give away any spoilers.

Commander Guineapig
December 28, 2007, 06:23 PM
thanks for the politics tidbits on that!
I think I'll see it then since they managed to avoid a lib agenda.
Too bad they couldn't do that with Runaway Jury :P

GP

dmftoy1
December 28, 2007, 06:33 PM
Quote:
What about the politics?

I didn't feel like the politics were out of line, and I'm usually pretty sensitive about this.

The movie mostly shows that terrorists are well embedded in the Saudi culture, they are protected by the population, the government is fairly inept either through incompetence, pandering, fear or active support of terror (or all of the above) and there are good people whereever you go/look. It also, as pointed out above, it shows the terrorists are just as dedicated as we are...plus, they are in it for the long haul...can't say that about the vast majority of the free world.

I really didn't see any anti-US sentiment in the flick.


I think the political part that was most shocking to me (whether true or not) was the feeling you got that the Saudi Royal family is just barely in control of the country and pretty afraid of the terrorists as well. (either that or supporting them) It makes you wonder if it's that tenuous or ??

strangelittleman
December 28, 2007, 08:46 PM
I haven't seen "Eastern Promises" I haven't heard very much good about it, other than a contrived homoerotic knifefight. It would probably be 2hrs I'd want to have back, I'm not a fan of Director David Cronenberg. Freaky Deaky Dude!

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