Power Pistol 9mm/45 auto cast bullet data...


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Galil5.56
December 25, 2007, 06:00 PM
Never have tried it, and interested in cast data, and especially chrono data you can share with this propellant in cast 9mm (124-130 grain) and 45 auto with cast 200 grainers.

Plenty of data for jacketed, but interested in this instance with cast only. Also thinking of trying WSF, but have tried a lot of ball types in this burning range, but it does seem like very good stuff.

Thank you!

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scrat
December 25, 2007, 07:18 PM
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125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
WSL 3.8 gr. 985
WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
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these are max loads. You need to reduce by at least 10%

here is a copy to the link print it out or save to your favorites
http://www.reloadammo.com/9mloads.htm

scrat
December 25, 2007, 07:19 PM
this is for the 45

200 grain LSWC (Lead, Semi-Wad Cutter)
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 790 FPS
Unique 5.1 gr. 810
Universal 5.4 gr. 804
Clays 4.3 gr. 888
HP38 5.6 gr. 914
HS-6 8.4 gr. 907
No. 2 5.8 gr. 939
No. 5 8.7 gr. 1,025
231 5.5 gr. 910
540 8.3 gr. 925
WST 5.1 gr. 910
WAP 7.6 gr. 970

Luggernut
December 25, 2007, 10:28 PM
Well I've used 124gr 9mm plated which should be close.

6.0gr PP
WSP
1.130" COL
Ave 1076 ft/sec

It's not a hot load but no dog either.

Lloyd Smale
December 26, 2007, 08:25 AM
I shoot mostly fast powders like bullseye and aa2 in the 45s and 9s. I shoot a ton of them and cant see using 6 grains of powder when I can do the same with 4.

Galil5.56
December 26, 2007, 12:29 PM
6.0gr PP
WSP
1.130" COL
Ave 1076 ft/sec



Interesting result, and I would have thought a lot faster velocity?... What pistol did you shoot this loading in?

Lloyd,

Have you since soured on midrange loads using Power Pistol since you wrote this:

It (Power Pistol) burns much cleaner the unique if that matters to you as its doesnt to me. Meters really well (better then unique) and had given me great accuracy in mid range loads in everything from the 32s to the 500s and is probably the best powder out there for top end auto loader rounds

Do you have any 9x19, 120-135 grain cast loads you can offer? I like, and prefer a more moderate burning rate in 9mm, and with its very close proximity to Unique in speed, figured it would work well with loads in the 4.7-5.2 grain range with cast 124's. Also, should I want to load maximum power SD rounds for my pistols, PP seems to be very willing and able to do this.

scrat
December 26, 2007, 12:57 PM
(WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter,
HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose, FMC= Full Metal Case, FMJ= Full Metal Jacket
JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet)

Loads for 9 MM Luger:
(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet size is .355" (jacketed) in diameter. Cast bullets for 9mm (like Lead RN) are often .356" diameter.
Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start 10% under these charges and work up.
THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS! - NOTE, powder companies have reduced some of these hot and maximum loads after these figures were posted. You might check current loads from powder company before loading maximum loads.


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90 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 5.0 gr. 1,250 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,341
HP38 5.8 gr. 1,349
HS-6 8.1 gr. 1,380
No. 2 4.8 gr. 1,331
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,343
231 5.1 gr. 1,305
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100 grain JHP or FMC (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 4.9 gr. 1,182 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,248
HP38 5.5 gr. 1,282
HS-6 7.5 gr. 1,313
No. 2 5.2 gr. 1,190
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,200
No. 7 9.0 gr. 1,230
231 5.1 gr. 1,235
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,155
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,180
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115 grain FMC
Bullseye 4.3 gr. 1,180 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,185
Universal 5.0 gr. 1,149
Clays 3.9 gr. 1,095
HP38 5.1 gr. 1,167
No. 2 4.4 gr. 1,092
No. 5 7.0 gr. 1,192
231 4.2 gr. 1,135
WSL 4.5 gr. 1,105
WSF 5.7 gr. 1,165
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,162
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,130
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125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
WSL 3.8 gr. 985
WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
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125 grain FMC or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,155 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,150
Universal 4.9 gr. 1,118
Clays 3.7 gr. 1,056
HP38 4.8 gr. 1,088
No. 2 4.1 gr. 1,057
No. 5 6.4 gr. 1,200
231 4.1 gr. 1,095
WSL 4.1 gr. 1,025
WSF 5.3 gr. 1,115
VV 3N37 6.3 gr. 1,165
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145 grain Lead RN (Round Nose)
Bullseye 3.5 gr. 942 FPS
Unique 3.8 gr. 1,108
HS6 5.0 gr. 968
No. 2 3.7 gr. 893
No. 5 5.1 gr. 984
No. 7 7.2 gr. 1,052
WSF 3.9 gr. 961
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147 grain FMJ or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,010 FPS
Unique 4.4 gr. 1,010
Universal 3.7 gr. 851
HS6 6.0 gr. 973
No. 2 4.0 gr. 888
No. 5 5.3 gr. 991
WSF 4.3 gr. 935
WAP 4.7 gr. 964
HP-38 3.5 grs. 818 to 825 fps (contributed by a friend)
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Discussion: Bullseye is a fast burning powder and perhaps better suited to the small cases like the 9mm. It burns completely and fast. Unique is a very consistent burning powder and it is almost a tossup with the heavier bullets. Universal, Clays and HS6 are from Hodgdon and similar to Bullseye and Unique. HS6 is slowest of the group (Similar to 2400) and takes quite a bit more powder. Respectively are No.2 and No.5 from Accurate.
As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. For any loads over 900 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air.




*
Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders.
Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders.
IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company.
No. 2, No. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company
WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div.


References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet - - Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders' Guide (1995) - - Hodgdon's Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) - - Speer Reloading Manual, #12 - - Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition - - Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. - - VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995)

Galil5.56
December 26, 2007, 01:49 PM
Scrat,

In both of your C&P postings, there is no Power Pistol data, cast or otherwise???

Are you mistakenly posting this, or trying to give me a primer in 9mm hand loading.:confused: If the later, I'm fine, and simply want the cast bullet data I requested, first hand experience and chronographed all the better.

Luggernut
December 26, 2007, 07:00 PM
124gr Berrys
6.0gr PP
WSP
1.130" COL
Ave 1076 ft/sec


Q: Interesting result, and I would have thought a lot faster velocity?... What pistol did you shoot this loading in?


This was a Sig 228... 80 degrees and kinda humid. It's the only time I've chrono'd that load. Contrast that with WWB 115gr FMJ at 1093 AVE on the same day.

Galil5.56
December 26, 2007, 08:39 PM
This was a Sig 228... 80 degrees and kinda humid. It's the only time I've chrono'd that load. Contrast that with WWB 115gr FMJ at 1093 AVE on the same day.

Fair enough, and thank you for getting back to me.

Anyone else have Power Pistol data for cast bullets in 9mm and 45 auto? Published data from Lyman, Speer, Hornady or otherwise would be great.

Thanks.

Black_Talon
December 26, 2007, 09:04 PM
Anyone else have Power Pistol data for cast bullets in 9mm and 45 auto? Published data from Lyman, Speer, Hornady or otherwise would be great.

Thanks.

Apparently, PP isn't recommended for use with lead bullets, at least in 45ACP. I have new editions of the Hornady, Speer and Lyman manuals and none of them have lead bullet PP data. Speer and Hornady do show PP data for jacketed bullets though.

rmb721
December 26, 2007, 09:42 PM
For a CZ-75, 9m/m, I use a Lee 120 TC lead bullet, sized .357 with 5.0 grains of Unique.

kart racer
December 27, 2007, 08:14 PM
I shoot 6.7 pp with my 200gr swc.In 9mm I don't shoot lead,but use 6.1 pp with 124 gr fmj.The oal's are 1.235 and 1.115 respectively.Don't have a chrony.

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