Every AR15 owner should know this!!


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MormonWarrior
December 25, 2007, 10:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVfwFP_RwTQ

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taliv
December 25, 2007, 10:51 PM
if shoestrings are machineguns, hard to believe rubber bands and belt loops aren't too

Fast Frank
December 26, 2007, 05:03 AM
Don't these guys know about the political climate around here?

Why in the world would they give the gun grabbers a video like that to use against us?

"It's easily converted to a machine gun" say the gun grabbers.

"No it's not" we say.

Then, this Bozo makes that video.

How am I supposed to argue with the gun grabbers now?:uhoh:

akolleth
December 26, 2007, 08:49 AM
What was this guy thinking? :fire::fire:

Wake up and smell the coffee here people. This is a battle where we stand to loose most, if not everything we hold dear with our rights to bear arms of our choice. Jokers like this simply help spread the fear and panic against guns, and specifically assault weapons.

We are fighting a massive uphill battle here folks, and people who feed the publics perceived fear and ignorance of guns with videos like this just hinder our cause all the more. What makes it worse is its one of our own-

We need to remain unified in our effort to show the masses that guns are not horrible, evil, weapons of mass destruction. We need to show the public that gun owners are above all responcable users of the tool we have been given the right to own.

highorder
December 26, 2007, 10:19 AM
how incredibly irresponsible. between this, and kids shooting propane tanks, yourube has done more to erode support for gun rights than the MSM...

or is yourube now the MSM?...

gunsmithgirl
December 26, 2007, 10:33 AM
"It's easily converted to a machine gun" say the gun grabbers."No it's not" we say.

Then, this Bozo makes that video.

How am I supposed to argue with the gun grabbers now?

My point would be that we should be allowed to have machine guns:)

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 10:36 AM
What the hell did he do wrong?

eidted:

My point would be that we should be allowed to have machine guns

exactly. Shall not be infringed means what it says.

highorder
December 26, 2007, 10:39 AM
wrong?

Why in the world would they give the gun grabbers a video like that to use against us?

Jokers like this simply help spread the fear and panic against guns, and specifically assault weapons.


at least 3 of us dont like to see this kind of stuff posted for general consumption... it doesn't help the cause.

having said that, he probably didn't do anything illegal, but neither did alot of folks that get trampled by the BATFE

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 10:49 AM
at least 3 of us dont like to see this kind of stuff posted for general consumption... it doesn't help the cause.



Its HIS business. You may not like it, but

1) Despite your commitment to appease the Brady Campaign and not offend the gun grabbers, he isnt breaking any laws

2) We should be allowed to own full auto weapons, and if you were a true supporter of the 2A you wouldnt care about what the hell the Brady Campaign thinks about that video in the first place.:fire: True freedom doesnt lend itself to the theory of compromising our rights.

Its His property. And he shouldnt have to resort to jerry rigging his gun with a rubber band in the first place.


First they came for the fully automatic rifles and I said nothing because I didnt see why anyone needed a full auto.

Then they came for the military style rifles and I said nothing because it didnt affect my .270 Weatherby:rolleyes:....


You know the rest.

mike724
December 26, 2007, 10:52 AM
From Post#4: "We need to show the public that gun owners are above all responcable users of the tool we have been given the right to own."

Sorry, Pal, I was Born with the right.

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 10:57 AM
Sorry, Pal, I was Born with the right.

Your damn straight you were.;)

toemag
December 26, 2007, 11:11 AM
As a Limey living in €urope to escape the ridiculous gun law's in Britanistan I'd say GG. got it right we should all be allowed to own full auto if we wish to do so, and to make a further suggestion the gun grabbers can move to Britanistan where they can all feel safe.

toe

highorder
December 26, 2007, 11:22 AM
1) Despite your commitment to appease the Brady Campaign and not offend the gun grabbers, he isnt breaking any laws

2) We should be allowed to own full auto weapons, and if you were a true supporter of the 2A you wouldnt care about what the hell the Brady Campaign thinks about that

wow, pointed insult #1 of the day! did you skip your morning coffee?

I am a full supporter of the Second Ammendment, and believe in automatic weapons for all law abiding citizens. what he does IS his business, and I have the right to suggest its counterproductive.

Point of fact I don't care what the brady bunch thinks of that video; I am more concerned with what the general public thinks, as they are the ones that make the trip to the ballot box.

as a side note, I found your post assuming and slightly offensive. Thankfully, you also have a right to your opinion.

highorder
December 26, 2007, 11:25 AM
also,

We should be allowed to own full auto weapons

wrong. our Right should be recognized.

strangelittleman
December 26, 2007, 11:29 AM
What I can't figure out is; If he has gone to all the trouble to build and register a SBR, why did he not go ahead and make it full-auto as well and just skip the silly rubber band garbage....Bump firing...waste of time, effort, ammunition........foolishness!

highorder
December 26, 2007, 11:32 AM
unless I missed something, an SBR will cost you rifle+$200 Tax stamp. M-16's are significantly more than $10,000.

please correct me if I am mistaken.

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 12:02 PM
wow, pointed insult #1 of the day! did you skip your morning coffee?
QUOTE]

No sir. I take exception to all references of compromising with the other side any time of day. Morning, noon , or night.

[QUOTE]I am a full supporter of the Second Ammendment, and believe in automatic weapons for all law abiding citizens. what he does IS his business,

Exactly.


and I have the right to suggest its counterproductive.


Counterproductive to what:confused:? Are you under the assumption that if that video would'nt have been shot, or if no one had ever come up with a trigger reset, that the gun grabbers would back off for some strange reason? Oh what a pleasant thought. Naive, but pleasant. Come to the reality that they will not stop until they have everything, and nothing will substitute that. The line in the sand has already been drawn. This video made nothing of a difference. Nothing. Further, it serves no purpose to try to appease anyone who has a view from the other side. Stop acting like it does.


I am more concerned with what the general public thinks, as they are the ones that make the trip to the ballot box.



Im more concerned with his right(and mine) to do with his property as he see's fit. I'd ratrher live free as an oddball, and fight for my right to do so, then appease the masses. Sorry.


I found your post assuming and slightly offensive. Thankfully, you also have a right to your opinion.[/

Im fairly certain that the individual who made that video would find some of these posts more than slightly offensive. But thank you for recognizing my right to an opinion. Now, would you be so polite as to extend the same kindness to him?

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 12:03 PM
wrong. our Right should be recognized.

Agreed. Now tell me; why all the insults to the guy? Its his right.

Outlaws
December 26, 2007, 12:10 PM
I think it is obvious who owns gun strictly for fun, because with how scared some people sound over a stupid video, I can image the mess on the floor if someone broke into their house.

possum
December 26, 2007, 12:14 PM
well that is something that i have absolutly no need for!

akolleth
December 26, 2007, 12:29 PM
I feel I have to respecfully disagree with many of you on this subject--

Having an arrogant, in your face, blatant attitude in these days will solve nothing, it will just fuel the pyre of anti-gun fervor.

We need to think smarter, and fight this threat which is going to come crashing through all our barriers any day now. If we don't unify and come up with a plan other than ignoring it, the Brady people along with the other anti's WILL rally enough public sheeple support to crush us. We need desperately to win the publics support for this, not to push them even further away from our cause by flaunting what will cause fear and loathing, no matter how legal it may be.


Arrogantly ignoring the threat we are facing will cost us our rights to own firearms, plain and simple. Face the facts, we are in a war here, and if we loose, we will loose our rights to own firearms of our choice.

akolleth
December 26, 2007, 12:38 PM
Sorry, Pal, I was Born with the right.

Well you better ask the citizens of Great Britan, Japan, Canada, Australia, Spain, and numerous others about how much that God Given right matters to the anti's.

PercyShelley
December 26, 2007, 12:46 PM
Relax folks, look at his hands. He's bump firing it which, pending the capricious reversal by the BATFE, is not currently considered to constitute a machinegun. The rubber band is just to hasten the trigger reset.

Thus, the video depicts activity that some may find offensive, either because it is frivolous or scary to the ignorant, but it is not (yet) illicit.

The only harm this video could cause is to someone predisposed to a fear of guns, but not totally committed to the hoplophobic agenda.

I think if this video had explained the technicalities of what's going on, how it isn't illegal or even that useful, and why auto and semi auto fire are actually no big deal, it could have been a very helpful meme floating around out there.

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 02:42 PM
I feel I have to respecfully disagree with many of you on this subject--

Having an arrogant, in your face, blatant attitude in these days will solve nothing, it will just fuel the pyre of anti-gun fervor.



Well, we see where negotiating with them has gotten us.:rolleyes: Im not going to dilute my belifs to appease anyone, and I dont fell the guy in the video should have to either.

It seems the main difference in oppinion here , is how we feel when we watch the video. You see an irresponsible, careless gun owner who you feel is doing more harm than good to your "cause".


When I watch the video, I feel sorry for the guy. I feel sorry that he has to modify a 9 hundred dollar rifle with a 15 cent rubber band, to achieve what he should be able to buy off the shelf. I also feel that there are some in this thread who do not know the true meaning of the Second Ammendment. You say that we are in a fight to save or rights, how can you be fighting to save our rights when you do not recognize them yourself?

High Planes Drifter
December 26, 2007, 02:43 PM
Well you better ask the citizens of Great Britan, Japan, Canada, Australia, Spain, and numerous others about how much that God Given right matters to the anti's.



To the best of my knowledge, they dont have a BOR to protect that God Given Right.

However, Im not an expert on foriegn governments and Constituions, so I'll await a confirmation from someone more versed in that field.

Daemon688
December 26, 2007, 03:09 PM
So what are you guys getting all worked up for? Juvenile? How is bumpfiring juvenile, besides did you see that group? Was anything about his gun handling unsafe? No. If bumpfiring is considered juvenile/stupid/more fuel for the anti gunners, then I wonder what your opinion is of tannerite.

Do you realize how many people think owning machine guns is illegal? There are thousands of them circulating among us. If people are going to be afraid of this guy bumpfiring, they're going to be just as afraid watching us dump a magazine through our "assault rifles" simply by pulling the trigger quickly.

Wasting ammo? That's your opinion, but I call that fun. That is why we have machine gun shoots right? That's why gun ranges rent machine guns right? People want to experience full auto.

Justin
December 26, 2007, 03:18 PM
Every AR15 owner should know this!!

WHY DOOD?!!!

Eightball
December 27, 2007, 03:14 AM
This will just serve for the ATF to make rules prohibiting good quality triggers in EBRs so that this kind of crap can't happen.

Sorry to everyone, but wake up and smell the gun oil--it's crap like this that affects legislation to the point to where, no matter how many internet gun board members have their bravado, firearms companies must comply with the laws currently in effect (that the ATF arbitrarily decides) in order to stay in business, which means that ultimately, we must abide by the rules.

Don't like it, elect people who will change the rules; don't try this type of stuff trying to circumnavitage them, because they WILL find out, and they WILL take appropriate action to make this kind of crap hard to accomplish, affecting the rest of us who use our ARs without trying to "get around" the ATF.

"Molon labe" and "down with the Anti's" all you want, but at the end of the day, this kind of thing influences ATF decisions, and that's when we all, ultimately, lose.

TheGrouch
December 27, 2007, 03:28 AM
This guy worked (or may still be working) at a gun shop I used to visit. I never really took him as the mall-ninja type.


The whole concept of bump-firing is kinda silly. It's a great way to get attention on the range ( or the Internet ).

Fast Frank
December 27, 2007, 04:26 AM
My point (And being the first to comment, I guess I started it) wasn't that there's anything wrong with sticking a rubber band on the rifle.

I never said anything of the sort.

My point is that the anti's can use this video as proof that our AR15s are in fact the evil bullet spraying assault rifles they have been claiming they are all along.

My point is that I, you, and the NRA will not have an argument to defend against this video when the gun grabbers show it to voters all across the country and ask "How will this evil assault rifle affect your children?" while showing a slide presentation of the kids running out of Columbine High?

My point is that this sort of video is the very reason why gun grabbers are afraid of our rifles.

Heck, if a guy wants to burn some ammo by bump firing his rifle, more power to him.

I agree that the shooter in that vid seemed to have a good grasp of the basics of good gun handling, and what I saw wasn't putting anybody in danger.

I agree that he broke no laws.

But come on... who is going to try to tell me that this video isn't throwing gas on the fire.

This isn't a good time to throw gas on the fire. We're trying to put the fire out.

MatthewVanitas
December 27, 2007, 05:49 AM
On the bright side, he was well-groomed, articulate, wasn't wearing a "Kaffir" t-shirt, and didn't come across as some sort of redneck Rambo wannabe.

That's certainly a step in the right direction.

highorder
December 27, 2007, 11:24 AM
any anti that sees that vid will see nothing but the "machine gun".

Eightball
December 28, 2007, 02:18 AM
On the bright side, he was well-groomed, articulate, wasn't wearing a "Kaffir" t-shirt, and didn't come across as some sort of redneck Rambo wannabe.

That's certainly a step in the right direction.One step forward with two steps back is not going in the right direction for this issue.

brentn
December 28, 2007, 03:26 AM
I tried bump firing, and I can't do it... I'll be thrown out and banned from my club if I did it from the hip via the belt loop method, shoulder they wouldn't really care, but its just too damn hard. You can't actually put your finger in the trigger guard area only, you need the rest of your hand for the pistol grip to hold up the rifle... sigh..

The anti's up here were using this is a small example of why semi autos should be banned, they made a bill introducing no more semi auto's including handguns etc.
Our PM threw it out saying that we already have huge restrictions on semi autos and handguns already, in which they were more than enough of an ordeal for an owner to go through.
Thought that was awesome.

Gunnerpalace
December 28, 2007, 12:28 PM
Well now I am going to go do this make a video and put it on youtube

Why? Because I should be able to modify my gun anyway I please according to the 2nd amendment,

I don't know what 2nd amendment you guys are reading.

siglite
December 28, 2007, 12:40 PM
"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, unless it's scary arms... or, they're depicted being used in a scary manner, or someone once used one to do bad things, or............"

cornman
December 28, 2007, 12:47 PM
Why are facts always the enemy right wing activists? TRUTH should be all that matters. ALWAYS give me the facts and let the chips fall as they will.


"Why in the world would they give the gun grabbers a video like that to use against us?

"It's easily converted to a machine gun" say the gun grabbers.

"No it's not" we say.

Then, this Bozo makes that video."

TimboKhan
December 28, 2007, 03:13 PM
I am not going to get involved in the semantics and slap-fighting going on about whether he should or should not have done so and simply say that I personally found it sort of cool, and I will probably give it a try next time I am at the range.

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