Why is it refered to as a .308 bolt face?


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R.W.Dale
December 25, 2007, 11:16 PM
Just a bit of a rant, I've been looking into Savage's target actions and I keep reading about how they're avalible in either .223 or 308 sized bolt faces. I feel this is shortchanges some really great cartridges that are all but forgotten. We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them. From here on out I'm going to refer to a .473" bolt face as being a 7.65 Mauser sized bolt head:evil:


RANT OFF!

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skinewmexico
December 26, 2007, 01:00 AM
They probably just say that because of the Savage F/TRs. I like to use .473 myself.

BigG
December 26, 2007, 08:32 AM
How is that .473" different from 45 ACP or 30/06?

highorder
December 26, 2007, 10:22 AM
what cartridges are you thinking of as shortchanged? .532" belted/non-belted mags? the .35 Rem @.460"?... bigger?

the list of cartridges based on the .378 and .473 rim diameter is extensive.

more correctly, .473 is the Mauser boltface, as you said.

Walkalong
December 26, 2007, 10:23 AM
We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them
Sure it does. :evil:

the list of cartridges based on the .378 and .473 rim diameter is extensive.
That is exactly the reason they do it. They figure we know which ones they are. :)

cracked butt
December 26, 2007, 10:53 AM
A lot of americans think the .308 (7.62 nato) is the end-all be-all of American cartridge development- but it only took 60 years to make a cartridge that simply a rehash of the 7.65 mauser and even closer to the .308 the 7.5 French MAS.:D

PawPaw
December 26, 2007, 10:55 AM
We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them.

Yes, it does. It is all about us!

mule157
December 28, 2007, 08:01 PM
he wants a 308 hes just to shy to buy one.

tjj
December 29, 2007, 08:26 AM
We should unite against this injustice and send a message to all 308 owners out there that the universe does NOT revolve around them.

You mean.......there's a universe around us?? I thought there is just the .308.

cracked butt
December 29, 2007, 09:07 AM
You mean.......there's a universe around us?? I thought there is just the .308.

All of the facts that can be attributed to Chuck Norris can also be attributed to the .308 :D

CB900F
December 29, 2007, 03:06 PM
Krochus;

Ignore them. The .308 is nothing more than a military commitee's rehash of one of the obscure Savage proprietary rounds; whichever one it was. Since the military took it up, of course it became popular with civilians, which has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good thing. Consider the fact that the military then dropped it as the caliber of choice for the infantry rifle.

As a further comment on military commitees, there is the AR platform too.

Matter of fact, the .473 casehead diameter originated with the 8 X 57 Mauser, adopted by the German military in 1888. And it's that cartridge that provided the basis for our .30-06.

The .308's one of those things that people use to prove that the state of our civilization is steadily going downhill. Network T.V.'s another, but I digress.

Now then, is there a .308 fan I missed? Raise your hand, I'll be glad to single you out for individual attention. Snrk!

900F

ants
December 29, 2007, 03:17 PM
Didn't the first .473" case head appear in the 7.62 Mauser in 1889? Then the 7x57 Mauser in 1892. The 8mm Mauser didn't come until 1905, then the .30-'06 the next year.

cracked butt
December 29, 2007, 04:09 PM
The 8x57mm was first chambered int he commission-88 rifle. The 8mm standardized in 1905 was the 8x57JS which had a slightly bigger diameter and was a spitzer bullet.

cracked butt
December 29, 2007, 04:14 PM
The .308 is nothing more than a military commitee's rehash of one of the obscure Savage proprietary rounds; whichever one it was.

The claim is that its based on the 300 Savage, but in all reality its dimensions are closer to the 7.5 MAS. The goobermint admitting that they took from a French design for military application just would not do. I mean could you imagine what would happen to the egos all M1a/M14 owners that their favorite cartridge mirrored a european design and not a good old American-Applepie-jackedupChevywithdualexhaust type cartridge?:eek:




Yes I own a .308, but I don't think its the greatest shizzle nizzle out there.

ants
December 29, 2007, 07:43 PM
Thanks for helping with the history, Cracked Butt. I like that screen name. I believe I have a few myself.

I often hear a neophyte refer to 'legendary accuracy' in the 308, but this would appear to be the result of continued development over 4 decades.

Jim Watson
December 29, 2007, 08:16 PM
Savage don't make many 8mms.
So they call it a .308 bolt face.

redneckdan
December 29, 2007, 08:28 PM
I've always called it the .30-06 case head.

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