[Pancho]

My wife got me a Traditions( Pietta) SS 1858 ROA for Christmas. Not my first choice in a manufacturer but it turns out the only thing I see wrong about the gun is the grips, they fit terribly and can't be fixed. Got any ideas?

[Pancho]

Does anyone know the thread size and pitch for the nipples? It's probably metric but the book doesn't say.
I bet that's a good place to use an anti seize.

[Roswell 1847]

My wife got me a Traditions( Pietta) SS 1858 ROA for Christmas
I think you mean "RNA" as in Remington New Army, rather than "ROA' as in Ruger Old Army don't you?

Nice present and I hope to hear everything you can tell us about this gun.
I've been considering getting a Remington 58 and the recent discussions about stainless vs plated have peaked my interest in a stainless BP revolver.

[Shawnee]

Hi Pancho...

If the grips really can't be fixed, making or buying new ones (or exchanging the gun) are the only options, methinks. Are you certain they can't be fixed ?

:cool:

[Roswell 1847]

only thing I see wrong about the gun is the grips, they fit terribly and can't be fixed. Got any ideas?
Post a pic and describe the problem.
Glass bedding would probably cure any wiggle when tightened down.

I've got some undersized grips I've been planing on fitting to my Single Six by making a thin shim of contrasting wood to put under them.

[Pancho]

Roswell, I'm glad you brought up the "new/old" army thing. I just didn't pay that much attention to it. Glad to know the difference. Ruger Old Army, Remingtion New Army. Ya got to pay attention to the details don't cha?

[Pancho]

Shawnee, there's gaps where there shouldn't be. If you still have that SS 58 for sale I'll take this back.

[Macmac]

If men were smarter men they would keep guns their wives buy for them..

grips can be fixed and or replaced so far as I would know. This is two piece right and a screw?

[Pancho]

Yes, two piece. It just pisses me off that someone can sell this stuff.
Macmac, you're right about most wives but you can't have mine I've spent 35 years getting her use to me.

[Shawnee]

Hi Pancho...

I don't have a 58. I have the Uberti 1861 Navy (that you looked at) and the stainless steel Ruger Old Army for sale. Let me know if you're interested in one or the other (or both:D). It's getting about time for us to get together for some shooting anyway.

Sorry to hear about the grips on your Remmie. Gotta agree with you that it's pretty shoddy to retail stuff like that.

:cool:

[sundance44s]

I`d suggest sending it back for another with grips that fit it , most places will exchange the whole gun ..if you buy new grips for it ...they won`t fit eaither .you`ll have to do the fitting yourself ...or send it too the grip maker for a fit ....if your wife bought it locally your lucky ...just take it back and swap it for one with good fit ...Cabelas if good for swapping their guns for such problems ...quick too .

[Pancho]

The grips weren't the only problem. This morning the loading lever seized. I took the gun back to Bass Pro and since they only sell Pietta I just took the credit. I refuse to fix a manufacturer's junk and I won't be bit by that dog again. No more Pietta for me, Uberti or better from now on.

[Macmac]

LOL Pancho.... We just might be hard pressed to find better wives for us eh?

I got so sick not so long ago that I didn't know my own name for better than 5 weeks. I guess during that time I mentioned somehow a teenage dream, which was to ride a motorcycle cross country.

When I came out of being that ill, she told me, and said "Let's Do It!"

We did..

Now when I want her attention there is only one way. I most definately don't want you to try this at home ok?

All I do is soak one of my tomahawks in the toliet, presumably to swell the wooden handle, and no sooner does she discover that, I can tell she isn't so very pleased...

IF you ignore these words of wisdom, you do so at your peril!

So the Pietta is a grinder huh? So soft parts deform in normal use.. not to good.

[dwave]

Just got a lemon Pancho, it can happen with Uberti too. I have 3 excellent Pietta revolvers. My '58 target is very accurate to boot. I would not hesitate to get another Pietta at all.

[mykeal]

Yep. dwave's right. Don't kiss off the brand for this one problem, otherwise you may find yourself with only one brand left someday: USFA, and that will be a very painful place for the pocketbook to be.

[bigbadgun]

Pancho I now have 2 Piettas my 1851 Colt Navy and my 1858 Remmington New Army Police and they are both very well made I have no complaints but I havent shot the Remmie yet.

[Pancho]

You guys are right, I was really pissed when I wrote that knowing I was going to have to drive about 40 miles round trip to take it back and of course it was their last one. Pietta does make some neat if not historically accurate variations on their pistols.

[Travis Morgan]

Macmac,

My wife didn't think it was funny at ALL when I unscrewed the lightbulb in the bathroom and left the plunger in the toilet. :what: (She had pissed me off) No laughs from the celophane over the toilet, either. :evil:

[Roswell 1847]

Well not to stray too far off topic, but why can't women understand that we leave the toilet seat up because we don't want the dog to have to strain his neck just to get a drink. Really have they no respect and compassion for our pets?

[sundance44s]

T Morgan ...quit giveing me ideas , get me in trouble ..wish I had thought of all that when I was married to the first lady .

[dwave]

why can't women understand that we leave the toilet seat up because we don't want the dog to have to strain his neck just to get a drink.

How about the inconvenience of having to bend down to lift the lid when we have to go? :)

Alright, getting this thread back in line with the topic. Are you planning on getting a sub. or something else? If you do go Uberti, I think you should check out their SS Target 1858 (if you are wanting SS). It is expensive but I like the target models. I have a Pietta target in blue and I love it.

EDIT: Here it is on Dixie Gun Works:
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=4057

[Pancho]

I might be off the 58 altogether. The gun just didn't fit my hand like the colts. To me there was not enough space between the trigger guard and the top of the grip. I haven't tried the Ruger version of the 58 yet.

[dwave]

I hear you. I have huge hands, of course I should, I am 6'2! I find the 1860 Army fits my hands really well. I still like the 1858 because it is very accurate.

[Macmac]

TM, celophane? That's great! I have done that on cars to be sure I get paid, twice, but this idea is a pissa'. I can't wait to try this one!

I find with the female 1/2 of society a man needs to mess up that fussyitactedness they get... as if they don't do the same as we do ya know...

Add a heapin spoonfull of humble from time to time works wonders..

We really need a Liar's Bench!

So to be on topic guys... Piss on yer guns to clean em ok? It will eat all that corrosives as well if not better than windex! But don't use windex if you use bore butter...

[Travis Morgan]

Macmac,

The value of your guns is officially 75% lower here, thanks to that comment.

[Pancho]

Dwave, I've got short stout fingers and a ham hand. The boys in my trade call it electrician hand. Just holding the 58 made me wonder how it would bite back when fully loaded. I'll be looking to buy a Ruger from one of our members and that's the first thing I'm going to notice. If the Ruger won't fit his 61 navy will. All the colts fit my hand.

[Macmac]

TM, While no one has yet stepped on my toes for being OT, I still feel poorly about it, but then there is no Liar's Bench for swappin tall tails, so I am in a quandery, which leads to trying to get atleast one comment to be on topic.

Pancho My hands are nothing like yours.. Long and thin, good for feeling and working blind under dashes and starting brake line fittings straight, after installing new lines.

So no feel for any hand gun I have will be valid to you and your type of hands.. I do have times where I wish I had a swivel joint or two in my fore arms though.

[Pancho]

my hands are such that I've never found a hi-capacity auto that I feel secure with. The western style grip is perfect for a lot of different types of hands. In fact I've never heard anyone gripe about western type grip.

[Macmac]

Well I don't find this remarkable, as I am far from comfortable with any double wide auto. I have a P-Compact Witness which is double wide, and I can run it alright, but tha width extra takes getting used to. I bought it because it has a colt like feel, which as an ol'dawg I am more familar with.

Offerings from Smith/Ruger/Glock have a clumsey feel in my maws. Some in single stack. Most gloves I buy must be extra large. I sometimes gauge a measurement with extending my thumb far one way to and the tip of my 'evil' finger the other way to reach a known apx 9 inches if no better measuring device is available.
So one would think I could wrap around most anything well, but I can't.

[Travis Morgan]

Macmac,

I always get a kick out of it when some four foot tall numbnuts tells me he was carrying a Desert Eagle in Iraq. Hell, I have decent sized hands, and they're a handful for me. Not to mention, the cool factor would wear off after I carried it a quarter of a mile.

[Macmac]

TM, I don't know what it is.. My Dad always said hand guns were designed to kill people. He was a WW-2 vet, and a hunter. He was a very practical man, with a degree in electronic engineering. He was very retired when he passsed, but "They" never really allowed him to retire since he was making parts for national security as guidance systems for things.

Tools being tools to him, rubbed off on me and so I have no cool factor, but unlike him I do see art forms in some guns. The 1860 Colt Army is one, A Kimber CDP pro is another.

The thing is these too are still tools, like old 18th century tools with a bit more grace than todays so-called modern tools with no frills. So I can abide a little art form no problem and enjoy it. Perhaps this shows most in what I have as fancy woods, blue steels, the graceful arch in the cock of a flinter, and the like, but in my world there is no place for ungainly, inept too big for most mans hands tools.

So in my little world there is no place for the tool called gun to be so ungainly I can't manage it with one hand, and so far to me almost no double stacks add up to that criteria.

That Witness is as big as I can use, and I consider it a target gun or a home defence gun as to me it is far to wide for a ccw. If it didn't shoot so well I would ditch it towards something else.

If my Remginton Rand hadn't become collectable, I would never have bought that Witness in the first place. In 01 no one had a Witness I could even ask, but the price was right then. A latter day came when i could afford a Kimber and so I bought that. I like it for ccw pretty well, but all in all I might really prefer that old RR.

Desert Eagles I just pass up fast, as clearly these are way too big for ccw to me, and besides there is no way I can run one in a single hand.

Maybe my ideas on ccw are wrong, but my thinking is to have a chance... All I want is a chance. If I had to win on the chance I would drag a mountain howitzer around I guess.

[Roswell 1847]

Pancho My hands are nothing like yours.. Long and thin, good for feeling and working blind under dashes and starting brake line fittings straight, after installing new lines.


Before my Nephews last surgery to repair a horribly mangled fore arm I told him that if it didn't work he could always get work installing car stereos since his arm took off at a tangent about midway.
Luckily the surgery worked though he had a steel rod mounted to his arm with threaded rods run into the bones for many months while the bone grafts healed.

Colt chose the "Plow Handle" because it fit just about any possible hand.

The Remington grip is better suited to longer fingers.

[Macmac]

Roswell, Ouch.... cute joke I suppose... I can deal when I hurt, but I have a bad time dealing when others are hurt. That one was seemingly a bad deal for you nephew, sorry to hear of it. mac

[Travis Morgan]

Macmac,

"Cool Factor" is relative. I think the Desert Eagle sorta looks cool, and there are only a very few instances where one would be useful. But Kodiaks and Cape Buffalo rarely invade my tent. Now, the Barret .50 cal, hehe, that thing is cool as hell, no matter how you look at it. It's definitely purpose specific.

As for aesthetics, I absolutely love old Winchesters. The shape of the hammer, the gracefull curves, and the metal to wood fit and finish are inspiring, as a craftsman.

Ever noticed, when you hold an old Winchester, how your thumb fits perfectly into the back side of the hammer? It kinda bugs me when I've been fiddling around with my Winchesters, admiring the graceful lines and craftsmanship, then grab one of my Rugers. No comparison. I admire Rugers for their strength and durability, but they're still kinda ugly.