High quality HK91/G3 clones on the market


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Timradcliffe345
December 26, 2007, 04:15 PM
Who makes the highest quality HK91 / G3 clone out there? Were the original receivers milled or stamped? Please share your experience or knowledge with each manufacturer. Thank you and God bless.

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Chipperman
December 26, 2007, 04:34 PM
Vector and PTR are probably the best.

cmidkiff
December 26, 2007, 04:35 PM
PTR91.com

They purchased used H&K machinery, and use it to produce high quality clones here in the US. They do use a heavier barrel than the originals, making factory furniture a difficult proposition... and they use a push button mag release rather than the original paddle type (since the accepted conversion to keep from allowing select fire trigger groups gets in the way of the paddle). Other than that, they are nearly identical to an original H&K.

I have a PTR91, made by JLD before they changed their name to PTR91.com. It's a nice looking, reliable, accurate, and fun to shoot rifle. Couldn't be happier with it.

Timradcliffe345
December 26, 2007, 05:52 PM
What should I be looking to pay for a NIB PTR 91F ( the original 18" version
)? Whose got the best deal in town? Thanks.

Roadkill
December 26, 2007, 05:58 PM
I fired a PTR91 couple of days ago for the first time, son bought it for $1000. Interesting design, sights are different, very smooth action, accuracy was also impressive. No problems with it whatsoever. Quality gun.

iamkris
December 26, 2007, 06:22 PM
PTR91s are acknowledged to be very near (or even better) quality than the original HKs. I got mine lightly used for $800 here on the Trading Post. Stay away from the Century clones if you actually want little things like decent welds or parts that fit.

I like mine and I don't even have a huge love for the HK pattern rifle. CDNN has some pretty dang good prices on these right now.

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Timradcliffe345
December 26, 2007, 07:07 PM
kris: If you dont mind me asking, what is the name and/or model number of the top HK clone (with the EoTech)? Did it come standard with the scope rail? Thanks.

Edit: Never mind, looks like a FAL :)

iamkris
December 26, 2007, 07:29 PM
Yup, DSA SA58

Father Knows Best
December 26, 2007, 10:04 PM
PTR91.com

They purchased used H&K machinery, and use it to produce high quality clones here in the US. They do use a heavier barrel than the originals, making factory furniture a difficult proposition... and they use a push button mag release rather than the original paddle type (since the accepted conversion to keep from allowing select fire trigger groups gets in the way of the paddle). Other than that, they are nearly identical to an original H&K.
I have a surplus G3 wide forearm on my PTR-91, and it fit just fine with no mods. Prior to that, I had a surplus G3 narrow forearm (with metal heat shield), and it fit just fine, too. So even though the PTR-91 barrel is heavier, I've never seen it interfere with furniture in any way.

Also, the PTR-91 mag release is identical to the one on the H&K 91, which is of course the semiauto version of the G3. On the G3, the forward push pin attaches the lower receiver to the upper, and its sleeve (on the upper) serves as the axle for the paddle mag release. BATFE required deletion of that sleeve to make it impossible to attach a full auto fire control group to a semiauto upper. H&K took the easy route of simply deleting the paddle, too, and making do with a push button release. JLD Enterprises (the original manufacturer of the PTR-91) simply copied the H&K 91, which they had to do in order to legally manufacture the PTR-91. If you build a G3 style upper with a push pin sleeve, you've just built an illegal machine gun.

There are gunsmiths who do paddle mag release conversions to semiauto MH 91 and PTR-91 uppers. They are legal but expensive. Parts run around $100, 'smithing runs another $100-200, and then the upper needs to be refinished. Total cost is often $400-500.

Another option, and one that I took, is the Tac-Latch. It's a drop-in part on the H&K 91 that costs around $40 and gives you a very usable paddle mag release that is a little different from a real G3 paddle release, but works just as well. On the PTR-91, you need to make a slight modification to the Tac-Latch itself to get it to fit, but the PTR-91 receiver itself doesn't need to be modified.

Incidentally, the PTR-91 is built on machinery that was purchased from Fabrica Militar de Portugal (FMP). FMP built the G3 under license from H&K for the Portuguese military. Many early PTR-91's (like mine) also have surplus FMP parts in them, but I understand that more recent models are built almost entirely with new, U.S.-made parts.

marktx
December 26, 2007, 11:34 PM
Anybody check out the bolt gap on their PTR? I have read elsewhere that it a few people were noticing a relatively rapid change and was curious if it was a legitimate problem observed by anyone here.

marktx
December 26, 2007, 11:39 PM
Anybody check out the bolt gap on their PTR? I have read elsewhere that it a few people were noticing a relatively rapid change and was curious if it was a legitimate problem observed by anyone here.

stubbicatt
December 26, 2007, 11:46 PM
Yes. The bolt gap on my example diminished from about .017" to .009". I sent it to PTR91, Inc, who inspected it and pronounced it good to go. I installed +2 rollers in it and it returned to .017" where it has been ever since.

Perhaps I am only kidding myself, but I believe I can feel the difference in the moment of recoil.

I am quite happy with mine.

TexasRifleman
December 26, 2007, 11:49 PM
I read some mumbling about the bolt gap stuff a while back on another forum but other than that thread I haven't seen much really.

I am keeping an eye on mine as I shoot it but I am not too worried about it.

http://www.hkweaponsystems.com/cgi-bin/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002262&p=3

LeibstandarteAdH
December 27, 2007, 01:31 AM
kris: If you dont mind me asking, what is the name and/or model number of the top HK clone (with the EoTech)? Did it come standard with the scope rail? Thanks.

Edit: Never mind, looks like a FAL

Thats actually an FN FAL clone.


And, I had to install +2 rollers in mine after less than 600 rounds, but it has held where it is now (good) for the past 2000+ rounds or so.

LexusNexus
December 27, 2007, 02:05 AM
Definitely Portugal FMP if you can get it, and then PTR since they used FMP's original HK tooling as mentioned above. Also Vector made some as well. Definitely stay away from Century Arms made ones. I have original HK as well as FMP and PTR, the clones are just as nice as original HK stuff.

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