[DannyinJapan]

Well, at least now we know that, should the need arise, you can kill a rampaging tiger with a 40 S&W.

[DENALI]

Were they (my God) wielding Glock's?.......................:what:

[XDKingslayer]

Glock 40s?

I have to call BS to this unless they shot the tiger in the leg or they blew up when fired and the fragments killed the tiger.

[Camjr]

How fast do you think they opened up on the tiger when it made a move towards them? You know, sometimes you go to work in the morning and have no idea what the day has in store for you.

That's just a crazy story. I feel for the guys that were attacked and for the tiger. I saw something about the tiger being taunted, but who cares? It should not be able to get out of the enclosure. Speculation, but it sounds like the zoo is going to lose their shirt on this one.

[CountGlockula]

Most LEOs carried the Glock model 22.

The .40S&W round is a great round.

[DannyinJapan]

No disrespect to the fallen, but I can only imagine what kind of BS those cops will have to face at the office from now on...
Tigger toys in their lockers, Tony the Tiger with crosshairs on his face, etc..

[Lonestar49]

Quote: I feel for the guys that were attacked and for the tiger. I saw something about the tiger being taunted, but who cares?

It should not be able to get out of the enclosure. Speculation, but it sounds like the zoo is going to lose their shirt on this one.
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I CARE..

The 3 of them came into the zoo together, yet the 2 lucky survivors LIED, that they didn't know each other, but fact is, they DID..

They taunted an animal, I don't care what kind, and I can't think of a more boring life than being in the same small space all my life, so they took the high road (not) and taunted the wrong animal, and went out of their way to do it, climbed up and closer, maybe to throw things, I don't care, they were idiots, and I'm glad the world is rid of one-less of them.

And the other 2, I hope they have Tiger Post syndrome the rest of their miserable lives..

At least the Tiger doesn't have to live another boring day, year, for man's pleasure, and apparently, for being taunted..

I only wish the Tiger could have taken all 3 out..

Adrenaline is a funny thing, when it gets pumped-up, people can lift a 2500lb car off someone, even after breaking their back, which by all mankind's "superb knowledge", say, "is impossible." I dare say, that, the Tiger got an adrenaline rush, as well, and did the impossible, thanks to 3 idiots.

Yep, I care (for the animals) and NOT for any idiot, Darwin-award, sub-humans.. like them.

IMO,


Ls

[Shawnee]

I'm glad I wasn't one of the two unarmed paramedics who came upon the tiger standing over the deceased before there was a cop in sight. :eek:

[jgorniak]

Ls,

Has everything you've stated come out as a fact, or is this just speculation and rumor? I'm working nights and hadn't seen anything more than suppositions when I went to bed this morning.

[Lonestar49]

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This was on the news this morning from the SF PD.. They said what I said, about the 2 survivors "lying about knowing each other", let alone "not knowing the dead idiot."

Fact is, acc the SFPD on-going investigation, they came to the zoo "together" and "all knew each other well".

Also, acc SFPD on-going investigation, "blood trails within the cage of the Tiger, and going out, show that they did climb, and go, beyond the barriers, where even the zoo personal don't climb, or go, unless the animals are caged, first.

So, kinda like a thief breaking into one's house when one is home.. The homeowner has a right, out of fear of one's life, to defend himself with "deadly force."


Ls

[GTSteve03]

Hey, I'm sure the 40 S&W worked well enough when they put 20 or so rounds in the tiger, but I'd still rather have a 12 gauge if I had to deal with a rampaging cat like that!

I'm in 100% agreement with Lonestar on this one. I think Darwin is smiling down from above at the idiots who taunted the tiger, happy that at least one of them learned the lesson the hard way.

[jgorniak]

Ls

Thanks for the follow up. It's unfortunate that the beast had to go down like that, just for doing what it's born to do.

[RecoilRob]

Just read on Drudge that a shoe and blood were found INSIDE the enclosure and they theorised that one of the 'victims' was sitting on the fence and dangled his leg down into the tigers face. It responded just like any other kittie and leapt and grabbed the leg....and that would have allowed it to pull itself out of the enclosure.

Of course, everyone involved is keeping mum on the Official Details so we are left rumor-mongering...but this seems a likely way for it to have gone down.

I really feel bad for the tiger, they had to destroy a magnificent creature but I don't feel bad for the 'victims'. Two brothers and the dead friend. I'm wagering the final report puts them at blame for their injuries....but their families are already talking to Lawyers I'm sure.

[practical]

Remember this is SAN FRAN the most liberal part of CALIFORNIA.

I would not be surprised if the press did not blame the victims to protect the ANIMALS...

[Tully M. Pick]

No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.

[cookekdjr]

Well, at least now we know that, should the need arise, you can kill a rampaging tiger with a 40 S&W.
Well, A Glock 22 dispatched the Grizzly Bear that was suspected of killing Timothy Treadwell. Took 11 shots, but it did it.

[Badkharma]

Glock 40s?

I have to call BS to this unless they shot the tiger in the leg or they blew up when fired and the fragments killed the tiger.

LOL :D

[Loyalist Dave]

From what I saw out here on the East Coast, they were using 12 gauge 00 buck or slugs, not .40 S&W.

The animal was reported as having removed a man's arm about a year ago. Talk about the liability, when you know the animal will attack and maim (if not kill) humans from past behaviour, and you let it get out.... (yes I know it's a tiger, I'm just pointing out the obvious trial argument of it was always docile in the past and never hurt anybody before won't apply in this case).

The police spokesperson did say "The officers ordered the tiger to halt". Wow a talking tiger, and it spoke English as well. I mean, after all, being from Siberia you'd expect it to speak Russian, or the local dialect from over there right? :rolleyes:

LD

[1BLINDREF]

The police spokesperson did say "The officers ordered the tiger to halt". Wow a talking tiger, and it spoke English as well. I mean, after all, being from Siberia you'd expect it to speak Russian, or the local dialect from over there right?

When I read that I thought the same thing, must have been Tony the Tiger - LOL

I'm also with LS on this one.
I saw an interview with the father of the kid that died. Sounds like a major law suit in the works :rolleyes:

Too bad the Tiger can't sue him for raising a sh*t bag kid.

[Crow1108]

Originally posted by 1BLINDREF
When I read that I thought the same thing, must have been Tony the Tiger - LOL


.40 S&W Glocks...they're GRRRRRREAAT!!!!

[Lonestar49]

1. Quote: No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.
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2. Quote: saw an interview with the father of the kid that died. Sounds like a major law suit in the works

3. Too bad the Tiger can't sue him for raising a sh*t bag kid.
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1. Under many "normal" situations, I can agree.. *But,

2. No doubts, especially after watching the father plead his dead son's sorry case..

3. I'd love to represent the Tiger in a court of law, as there are laws on the books for sub-human acts against animals, and the Tiger has/had Rights, and more than "one" right as: He was in a protected area marked well, and his rights were broken when the 3 idiots trespassed, then, thru meanness and, cruelty to animals, brought about this event, not the Tiger.

IMO, I would tell the father, and all those that can't reason with the following:

~ *Cause and Effect ~ simple as that, that IF those idiots had not made the Darwin choice, out of stupidity and meanness-taunting of the Tiger, to trespass beyond the area marked, "Do not enter or go beyond" then NONE of this would have occurred and the Tiger would still be alive, as well as, one of, the 3 idiots.

Maybe the father should turn his grief-with-monetary-reward thoughts and hopes, to cash in on this (period), into a "Poor Education law suit", as it is evident that he can't see the Cause and Effect of his son, and his buddies, actions, turning the truth of; "one must take responsibility for one's actions", again, out-of the equation and add to his lawsuit, "lack-of" the Education System" as, it must be that his kid and his buddies "couldn't read"..

let alone, think.


IMO


Ls


Ps.. I know this much, if I had done such a stupid thing, my father would have said: "throw his punk-arse in jail as soon as he gets out of the hospital and let him stay there, thinking about his stupidity, and he better come out smarter than when he went in, for his own stupid, decision-making, self-responsibility..choice"

Of that, I have no doubts, it would fall under tough-love and taking responsibility for one's actions.. period.

[NG VI]

the keeper who had her arm stripped lat year was a woman

[average_shooter]

Just read on Drudge that a shoe and blood were found INSIDE the enclosure...

From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22419664/

No shoe was found inside, but a shoeprint was found on the railing of the fence surrounding the enclosure, and police are checking it against the shoes of the three victims

[DMK]

when you know the animal will attack and maim (if not kill) humans from past behaviourIt's a tiger. A born predator. Give it a chance and yes it will kill you. That shouldn't be surprising.

No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.I wouldn't say it is either. But when you play chicken with a dangerous animal, you deserve ending up on the lunch menu. Stupid hurts sometimes. I don't blame the tiger for being what it is.

I doubt very much that they were just walking by and the tiger leaped out of its cage for no reason. Why did it happen to pick these three guys out of the blue after how ever many years it was in that cage?

I know this was SF, but you've gotta wonder if one of them had a CCW how quickly that would have ended. Then they'd have some explaining to do for sure.

[Bullet Bob]

"No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason."
______________________________________

So, Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc., was more valuable than my dog? Don't think so.

In fact, over 50-some years, I can think of more than one person I've known that isn't as worthy as my cat.

[phoglund]

No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.

I beg to disagree. There are sh*tbag humans and noble animals. I'd trade one for the other any day. Being "human" doesn't guarantee the right to exist. Being an animal does not make it expendable.

Kill a Tiger because it's dangerous? You must then kill them all for they are all dangerous. If you keep a dangerous animal in proximity to humans you don't want harmed you must provide a way to separate the human from the animal. The fault here is with the zoo and the individuals who taunted (if true) the animal, not with the animal. Would you go to Siberia and taunt a tiger who could get to you? Of course not. How do you suppose the animal in the cage knew killing live meat was wrong?

[Choclabman]

No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.


I would put animals above and before, 99% of the humans on this planet.

[Buzztail]

Going to have to side with Ls, phoglund, Choclabman and others on this one. Taunt my animals, and your likely to get a real eye opener from me (until the swelling closes it for you) BTDT. To keep it gun related, I'd want more that a .40 when dealing with a big cat!!

[DENALI]

Funny thing, I hear the two survivors are not cooperating with San Francisco LE. Could they have been doing things they should not have? :eek:

[herohog]

No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.

Humans IZ animals! :D

The guys were fools, the walls were to short, his death may have saved others from this moron's stupidity and I don't blame the cat.

carry on...

[phoglund]

Actually didn't address the gun related nature of this thread. If I were to have to face an aggressive full grown tiger with naught but a .40 it would be "big eyes and brown shorts" time for me. I'm thinking a BAR would be about right. The fact the LEO didn't get mauled is probably more a testament to the relative non-aggressiveness of the tiger at the time he was shot than to the effectiveness of the .40. If the tiger was serious about attacking the LEO I think the LEO would likely have died before the .40 did it's work on the tiger.

[jmr40]

I have changed my mind a dozen times over the years in the never ending 9 vs .40 vs .45 debate. My current thinking is that it probably makes very little difference with normal size people. I don't have a bit of evidence to prove it but have always felt that the .40 would be the better choice against really big people or in an emergency against a large animal like this.

[spiroxlii]

I know this was SF, but you've gotta wonder if one of them had a CCW how quickly that would have ended. Then they'd have some explaining to do for sure.

If these people had CCWs it would've been bad news for all of us. Based on the news coming out of this story, I'd venture to guess that they do not possess the judgment or maturity to carry firearms in public. If one of them had drawn and shot the tiger after it started attacking, then not only would we have a story where some immature folks taunted a dangerous animal and got hurt for it, but then the media would grab this and run with it, and we'd have an even more sensational story where some angry and unstable gun owners maliciously taunted a tiger and then shot it dead in a zoo.

[Bezoar]

SInce i first heard the news story break I have had only one conclusion as to what happened.
Three idiot friends who have no real intelligence decide to "save" the pretty tiger froms its "horrible cage". But as they arent very bright, they fail to notice the improperly mainttained walls and moat designed to keep the "poor' tiger from eating idiots like them.

Sad the tiger had to die, not really bothed that Darwin was proved correct again, and that another sample of stupidity wont get to breed and pass on inferior genetic material.

[davepool]

anybody know how many rounds hit the tiger?

[GEM]

Quite a few years, a NYC Policeman killed a polar bear with a 158 gr RNL 38 SPL round to save some idiot who climbed in the cage.

[dom1104]

Ok.. let me get this right.

All you people who think animals have more worth than human beings....

Are you actually saying that if a ... say... grizzly bear was mauling a defensless camper, you wouldnt do a thing to save that person? Because of the "noble grizzly" has more worth than 99% of the humans?

Man. Our liberal school system is worse then I thought.

[dom1104]

Ok.. let me get this right.

All you people who think animals have more worth than human beings....

Are you actually saying that if a ... say... grizzly bear was mauling a defensless camper, you wouldnt do a thing to save that person? Because of the "noble grizzly" has more worth than 99% of the humans?

Man. Our liberal school system is worse then I thought.

[dom1104]

Ok.. let me get this right.

All you people who think animals have more worth than human beings....

Are you actually saying that if a ... say... grizzly bear was mauling a defensless camper, you wouldnt do a thing to save that person? Because of the "noble grizzly" has more worth than 99% of the humans?

Man. Our liberal school system is worse then I thought.

[Lonestar49]

Quote: Man. Our liberal school system is worse then I thought.
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In reading skills, I have to agree with ya..

Also, depending on what size caliber gun one might have at a given time.. could work for ya, or go badly against ya..


Ls


Ps.. Quote: *I would put animals above and before, 99% of the humans on this planet.
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*Let me put my touch/spin to this/his statement which, could be right, could be wrong:

But: "all" of God's animals DO exactly what HE told them to do.. Man is the only creature that defies Gods word..

Think about it..

[texas bulldog]

the story i read said that, not one, but four officers opened fire with .40 caliber pistols. it also said that an "unknown number" of shots were fired. maybe further details have come out since then, but that's what i read. i remember it quite clearly, as i laughed out loud at the thought of four grown men pissing their pants while emptying their magazines.

i would personally want something more than a .40S&W, but then, cops don't arm themselves each shift in anticipation of facing dangerous wildlife...

[Tully M. Pick]

Man. Our liberal school system is worse then I thought.

Dom, let it go. Insults aren't going to change minds.

Besides, next time someone asks you "What caliber for tiger?", you'll have the answer.

four officers opened fire with .40 caliber pistols.

Assuming typical police marksmanship, if all four officers dumped the entire magazine at the tiger, they hit it at least six times. :evil:

[Silvanus]

Like many others, I agree 100% with Lonestar. I hate it when animals are caged up for any reason. Be it scientifical reasons or just for the pleasure of other poeple. And I hate people who humiliate these animals even further by taunting them. I certainly don't value all humans more than any animal. Quite the contrary actually. Most animals just do what they are supposed to, but humans choose to do bad or good things, so they can be blamed for their actions.

[spiroxlii]

Are you actually saying that if a ... say... grizzly bear was mauling a defensless camper, you wouldnt do a thing to save that person? Because of the "noble grizzly" has more worth than 99% of the humans?

I don't think anybody's trying to absolutely define animals as more worthy of life than humans.

I think the issue here is with the humans' intent. The camper being mauled by a grizzly took a risk by going out into the forest, even if he exercised precautions like putting his food into odorproof containers. But even though he took a risk by entering the bear's environment, he did NOT enter the woods with malicious intent or increase his risk by seeking out a bear's den to play in. The meeting between the bear and the camper would be unfortunate, but the camper didn't "ask for it," so the bear's death would be necessary to save the camper's life.

If I saw a tiger mauling a zoo visitor, would I kill it to save the human? Yes, I certainly would, no matter why the tiger was attacking. Would I be happy about it if the tiger's attack were a result of taunting? No, I'd be upset that the tiger's death was the direct result of immature, irresponsible, malicious behavior on the part of some person who "asked for it" by doing something stupid to increase the risk of an animal attack. I would save the human's life and kill the tiger, but I'd expect the humans responsible for causing the tiger's attack and subsequent death to be held accountable for their actions. Not just because they caused the tiger's death, but because they could've endangered any bystanders by enraging a predatory animal to the point of attacking.

[FieroCDSP]

It's sad at the outcome, but really.....If you taunt a tiger, expect a reaction. Just sit and watch a house cat as it plots to attack anything else that lives. They're evil creatures when it comes to hunting. My friend's cats have managed to attack both a bat and a squirrel, and after getting them on the ground, they toy with the thing a while. And the worst part is, in their mind, anything can be hunted.

The unfortunate thing here is that the lawsuit will go through on the basis that the zoo did not maintain an adequate fence or moat to contain the creature. The family will get millions for their sons' stupidity.

It all comes down to Stupid being the new smart. Why work your way though life when you can do something dumb and then sue the smeg out of someone else.

[22-rimfire]

From what I've read, my support would have to go with the tiger. Any idiot who does what they did, deserves what they get from a very deadly animal. There are some things you just don't do.

If you mess with a poisonous snake and it bites you, who is to blame? Oh... the cage was 2" too low, so it must be the cage owner's fault? Let's not forget the contractor (builder) and the various manufactures of the materials used. They must be defective too.

I guess there will be lots of "sportsman" wanting to hunt tigers in the bush after this with their Glocks and a couple of magazines full of ammunition. Good luck! :)

[Jeff Timm]

Pity it's SF. I would like to see the Zoo sue the parents of all three, followed by a Police Department action for endangering the responding officers.

Geoff
Who knows it's not going to happen. Sigh.

[PC40]

Death by misadventure, don't blame the tiger, the tiger is the victim. Victimized by the instigators. The police performed their duty, they had no choice but to finish what the punks started.

If you play Russian Roulette and lose, the gun is not to blame.

[OhioPaints]

Well, at least now we know that, should the need arise, you can kill a rampaging tiger with a 40 S&W.

So what? Charging grizzly bears have been killed with single shot .22 rifles. You want to try that on purpose?



No animal is worth the life of a human. Ever. For any reason.

I wouldn't say it is either. But when you play chicken with a dangerous animal, you deserve ending up on the lunch menu. Stupid hurts sometimes. I don't blame the tiger for being what it is.

I remember watching some kids playing tug of war with a alligator with a chicken leg on a string. Candidates for the Darwin Award. Improve the gene pool.

[GLOOB]

I don't know how y'all have decided that the actions of three kids should exhonerate the SF Zoo's responsibility in this case.

If I'm responsible for the SF Zoo tiger exhibit, I'd be damn well sure that a tiger could not get out, even if provoked. Are we really satisfied with the thought that a wild animal taken out of the jungle and put into a cage is appropriate, so long as the animal can only scale the enclosure when angered?

I smell idiot as strongly as the rest of you, but if you run the SF Zoo, and you let your staff leave at 4PM but allow the public to run around after 5PM in the pitch black dark, are you really sure that idiocy isn't going to happen? And if it SHOULD happen, aren't you a bit miffed that rather than the idiot get mauled inside of a tiger enclosure where he may have deserved it, the enraged tiger had the ability to scale its enclosure, endangering anyone else in the vicinity of said idiot?

Yes, the kids took their own lives into their hands; but because of the inadequacy of the enclosure, they were also able to take into their hands all the lives of everyone else in the zoo. If they had died in the enclosure, it would be a totally different thing. They would have clearly owned the repurcussions of their actions. But they were mean to an animal, and they were able to get back out of the enclosure with their lives. So now they are mean daredevils who may have watched Jackass too many times. They were then chased and mauled by an enraged tiger who was able to scale its enclosure; this is the part that is unacceptable. The kid who died may have been mean to an animal, but he confronted an enraged 350 lb tiger in order to save his friend, and that action speaks of his character as much as any allegation of taunting.

As an aside: In Spain, men show their bravery by taunting and killing bulls. Indian snake charmers repeatedly taunt poisonous snakes. In the US, people watch Jackass and replicate stupid stunts. I'm not saying that it's ok, but if you're responsible for a 350 lb man-eating tiger which is exposed to the public unattended, you have to consider that possibility, and you have to make sure it's safe for anyone that may be nearby.

[Bullet Bob]

"In reading skills, I have to agree with ya.."
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Clever!:)

[Javelin]

.40 or any large pistol caliber is capable of putting down some serious devestation.

I agree with Lonestar. And these are not kids. They are 17-year-old males. Any State I have ever been 17 is always tried as an adult. I hope those other 2 get locked up for what they did as being part of a crime that ended in in a very expensive animal being put down and the public's lives placed in danger.

[spiroxlii]

GLOOB does make a good point. Even if the 17 year olds were being rather stupid and should bear some responsibility for the situation they provoked, the zoo also bears the responsibility to prevent the possibility of contact between zoo visitors and the animals on exhibit.

Even if the people are stupid.

[practical]

Lonestar,

How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?

Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.

We all in other parts of the country theorize that the animal lovers at the zoo lied to the police when they said the calls regarding animal attacks were from deranged people giving them time to try to tranqualize the tiger. WHICH is what they are said to having been attempting to do when the Police arrived according to 2 articles I saw.

MAYBE if the libtard animal lovers at the zoo had been rendering first aid and building making sure their facility met standards for zoos they would not have had a death and injuries.

Frankly I KNOW women at my workplace who volunteer at the local zoo and work with a tiger. They are have an obsession with animals, animal rights and an almost sexual fascination with certain animals at the zoo they work with!:what:

[Lonestar49]

Quote: Lonestar,

1. How do you know these guys are not some rabid animal righters attempting to release the tiger?

2. Your diatribe against 3 guys who might or might not have done something is illogical.
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1. that's illogical, (not Practical) as, if they were, rabid animal righters, there to release the Tiger, why not release all the Tigers from the same enclosure, not just the one.. ?

1./b. does it seem logical to release, a Tiger, let alone, all the Tigers, from the one enclosure, loose in the streets of San Francisco?

2. "diatribe" means "bite/biting" or "abusive denunciation"..

2/b. I agree with ya here, in that, the Tiger did "bite" those that showed "abusive denunciation" at, and towards, the Tiger..

All due to "Cause" (the actions of the 3) and "Effect" (of a pissed-off/angry Tiger)

Again, IF, Only, they had run out of gas before arriving there, at the Zoo, none of this would have happened..

Theroized-"fact" (that day) IMHO.

But it did show the effectiveness of the 40 caliber round, sadly.


Ls

[Socrates]

"Tuesday, January 1, 2008
Was Tatiana the tiger attacked with slingshots?

A news report today adds further support for the theory that the San Francisco Zoo tiger who attacked three men on Christmas Day was responding to intense provocation.

Citing an unnamed source, today's New York Post reports that the injured men were armed with slingshots and had an empty vodka bottle in their car. This would support the theory that the men were engaging in a drunken display of masculine bravado when the 350-pound Siberian tiger leapt across a moat and attacked them. (See my post of Dec. 29.)

Speculation is rife about the circumstances of the mauling that left a 17-year-old boy dead. Neither police nor the surviving brothers, Kulbir and Amritpal Dhaliwal, are talking, and no other witnesses have come forward."

http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2008/01/was-tatiana-tiger-attacked-with.html

I've been a regular zoo goer since the early 60's(SF Zoo).
Everybody with a brain knows the cats can get out of the grottos. They haven't in 50 years, and done any damage. Why? Being well fed, and well taken care of, the cats are content.

Now, three morons are going to change what has been a wonderful place for my 50 some years. This clearly defines what's wrong with our Tort system. The zoo has worked for over 50 years, and the grottos in particular, for the cats. Sure, some have jumped out, but, given the chance, they jumped back in, or, off the top of the walls, where they can't really do much harm.

Due to the idiocy of three punk kids, the SF zoo is going to spend a few million making the grottos 'idiot proof'. this comes at the expense of the zoo guests, who will now have high fences and screens to look through, instead of being able to look clearly at cats 15-20 feet away.

I'd like to file a class action law suit on the part of the zoo guests, for the amount of the damages the zoo will suffer, thanks to the idiots actions. Also, damages for the cost of the tiger, and, the grief many of us feel for it's demise.

The family should not profit from the illegal actions of the son.

[tnieto2004]

I only wish the Tiger could have taken all 3 out..

The actions or those young men did not merit death.. No matter how you twist it.. It is a sick thing to "wish" death on three young men that may or may not have been doing something illegal..

And YES, IF they did taunt the tiger (Everyone seems to believe the media in this situation, which I find rare on THR) then they should have been punished ..

[Socrates]

Actually it's the report of evidence. A shoe in the grotto, pine cones that could only have been thrown in, since no trees are around...

Couple years ago, around on Memorial Day, my girlfriend and I were walking on Ocean Beach, after visiting the Zoo. We were witness to many, drunk folks from inland, driving cars.
We also were 'inspected' by an off lead pit bull, owned by some Spanish speaking folks from San Jose as well, complete with gang tatoos...

People do stupid stuff around the holidays, and I'm pretty sure these adults were more of the same. By the way, for Tort purposes, they are adults...

I wonder why we have such a hard time valuing animal life over humans? Indians do it all the time, when a buffalo or elephant goes crazy, they save the animal, despite it's killing people.

Same in Africa. How many residents equal the value of one black Rhino?

I guess it maybe spieces guilt. We've destroyed so many animals with over-population, and idiocy, I hope the animals survive, and the loss of a siberian tiger is huge, compared to the number of folks coming in to the United States, illegally...

As for cats having tempers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sPgUNu7-fU

[Autolycus]

They should charge them as kids. Either they are adults or kids, if they are adults then they should be given all the priveledges of being an adult. The right to drive, vote, enlist, purchase firearms, purchase alcohol, purchase tobacco, and other things.

[Socrates]

Criminal and tort law have different ages, and different standards.

While they might be charged with criminal trespass, or some sort of animal abuse, or, criminal endangerment, since their actions provoked a tiger, getting it out of it's home, the first time in nearly 60 years this has happened, and someone has been attacked, whatever, IIRC, one is 23, and the other survivor is 19. They are adults criminal or tort. Charge em, and throw away the key.

http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2007/12/happy-new-year-san-francisco-zoo.html

[Warlokke]

Well guys, I am old, cynical, and believe every adult is fully responsible for themselves, so to me, at first blush, this appears to be a case of old Mr. Darwin saying, "You three, out of the gene pool...." ;)

Or maybe they were just "stuck on stupid"? :rolleyes:

But it makes me glad that I carry a .40 or .45.....not for tigers but for stupid folks like the tiger attacked...and don't waste your time telling me how callous I am - I know and embrace it. :neener:

If the evidence changes that the 3 guys were innocent babes in the concrete woods then I will rethink my thoughts....but I don't think it will change. Some people just don't need to breed....