[actionflies]

This is a new gun built on the 10/22 platform by Ruger. Has anyone seen one at their gunshop or bought one? The retail price is $369.50 so what are your local gunshop selling it for? I think the price is high for what it is, but it's a pretty cool looking gun. Here's a link for the review: http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-22Charger.htm
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/354L.jpg

[weisse52]

Went to the range yesterday with a couple of co-workers

They had just put one out in the case on the retail side. We looked, we handled. After we had shot for a while one guy decided to go buy.

So he came back and we shot it a bunch. Trouble was he had not purchased a scope. So, it was point and shoot. It worked without a hitch. Not sure it has a real purpose, but it was A LOT OF FUN....I GOT TO GET ME ONE!!!!

I think is sold for $305.

[nero45acp]

Curse these forums, everytime I (foolishly) believe that my gun collection is about complete, someone post something like this and my wallet gets lighter....;)


nero

[PC40]

Will I buy one? Why not? Soon .22 LR will be all I can afford to shoot, and I reload!

[GunTech]

Interesting, but Volquartsen has been building 10/22 pistols for years.

https://www.volquartsen.com/images/pistols/cheetah.jpg

[Geno]

Curse Ruger! I feel I am about to be unfaithful to my Colts yet again. In short, I gotta get me one or three of them. :cool:

[bhp9mm]

they have one on gunbroker $325 buy it now

[TallPine]

Okay ... that is really really really cool :)

But what is it good for ???

[Gator]

Interesting, but Volquartsen has been building 10/22 pistols for years.

Maybe that's what finally woke Ruger up. And the Ruger is 1/2 the price!

[byronw999]

Hahahahaha... Forget it Nero... My 2nd large safe is almost full and am wondering how I could hide a 3rd from my wife!

[SGW42]

Saw one of these at the gun show this past weekend. It was more compact than it looks in the photos. And they had it at a surprisingly low price. $300 or just under, IIRC.

I don't have any use for one but it looks like a fun toy.

[fryguy541]

I've had a chance to fire of a few dozen rounds through the new .22 Charger. It is a blast! Fun to shoot, ergonomic, sleek and very consistent. Easy to sight in and I can group its shots in a quarter from 30 yrds over and over no problem. Sure it was my second time shooting a hand gun (first was my buddies 1911 compact .45) and third time shooting ever but I was a dead eye with this little honey and want one of my own. Great target pistol!

[mjrodney]

My bride has one.

She takes it to the range every weekend.

It keeps her interested in the sport.

[cornman]

That is one of the most useless guns I have ever seen.

[moewadle]

Iowa Gunshows. I am Plus 1 on it being a useless gun as stated above.

[Matt304]

I don't get it. Pay more, get less?

The rifle is $179, and probably shoots better.

Neat looking, though.

[RyanM]

I'd be interested in getting one for the sole purpose of putting on black plastic furniture, a 50-round mag, and a heat shield, if it were cheaper.

[MachIVshooter]

I can think of a lot better things to do with $300.

[Dksimon]

I have handled one at a local shop and although it looks neat I would never buy one.

I has no practical purpose.

[magnumman44]

Shot one this weekend. It shoots great groups if you can master the trigger. It would be a great IHMSA gun.

[nosliw]

i have one. love it.

none of my guns have practical purposes (except the ones suitable for self defense).

great way to spend an evening. especially with the ammo prices the way they are.

[M2 Carbine]

I've had one a couple months. It was $300 and I noticed at the last gun show they were selling for about $290.

Interesting gun. As is, it's a good bench rest pistol. I suspect that there will follow aftermarket stocks, etc, to make offhand shooting possible.

To date I've shot it with a 5X Burris scope, a TC 2.5x7 scope, BSA Red Dot sight and a Green (daylight) laser.
It's so accurate it's almost boring.

It's very relaxing sitting in the back yard plinking with this gun.:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Ruger1022pistol.jpg

I haven't had a chance to run any Match ammo through it, but of the Rem, Federal, Winchester and Aguila I shot the Aguila Standard velocity is the best.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Ruger1022pistoltarget25yds-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Ruger1022pistol50ydtarget-1.jpg

[WoofersInc]

First off. Why does a gun have to be practical? Why not have one "just because"?
I bought one and am having a blast with it. I put a Tactical Solutions threaded barrel and my Outback II suppressor on it. It doesn't get any more fun. With the TacSol barrel it is more accurate than the stock rifle.
I think Ruger will sell a ton of these. And for those who asked it was priced at $275.00 at the shop I got mine at.

[JmanAR15]

I have shot about 600 rounds of .223 and the same in 9mm in the past month or so. It's to the point where I can barely afford to shoot my kid's Red Ryder. I can fire 500 rounds of .22 vs. 100 rounds of 9mm, or 20 rounds of .223 for just about equal price. I think I'll pick up one of these tomorrow! Very cool looking and love the laminate wood grain.

[Rembrandt]

No first hand experience so I'll wait and see......new plastic Ruger 10/22 trigger assemblies have ticked off a lot of loyal followers. Some are claiming the trigger pull changes and quality is going down hill.

[doc2rn]

I dont like the 10/22 at all. I do like the 77/22 and if they had made it on that platform I might have bought one. As it stands I had to pass, I have better tools for the job at hand. I have 7 Rugers and they make a fine product, but I dont like the wimpy capacity of their clips either. Around here it is $350.

[Technosavant]

I've fondled one, but haven't shot one. Looks and seems like it would be a decent near-range plinker. I'm not sure how accuracy would compare to a full-up 10/22 rifle (for what they're asking, it had better be at least as good), but it would be extremely awkward to shoot without a rest (bench or ground).

I don't know what I'd do with one, but for some reason it attracts me. Probably not enough to buy one, but it is a neat little gun.

[M2 Carbine]

I'm not sure how accuracy would compare to a full-up 10/22 rifle (for what they're asking, it had better be at least as good),

A couple days after I bought my Charger three friends ran a number of magazines through it.
They were also shooting their 10/22 rifles.
At the end of the day they said the Charger was more accurate than their rifles.

I haven't compared it head to head with my 10/22 rifle yet but the Charger appears to be more accurate.

[theNoid]

I'd be interested in getting one for the sole purpose of putting on black plastic furniture, a 50-round mag, and a heat shield, if it were cheaper.

Why not just buy the KelTec in 22lr for this purpose.
http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/downloads/PLR22Ad.jpg

And to those who think these guns are useless, come on out to Wyoming for some prairie dog and jack rabbit shooting, these things make for great truck guns for sure.

Noidster

[mossy141701]

autoflies, I looked at one at a local shop but haven't shot one yet, looks like a cool gun.

[ArmedBear]

I love my 22/45 with a 6 7/8" bull barrel. My offhand targets look at least as good as my 10/22 rifle targets ever did. It's FAR more reliable than my 10/22 ever was.

I'd line up to buy a rifle based on the Ruger pistols, but not a pisol based on the 10/22.

For real fun, I love my .22LR AR upper.:)

[JmanAR15]

Someone was complaining about ruger triggers. I have to send in my SR9 for trigger replacement (recall). I don't care though. My SR9 is sweet. They're going to send me an extra mag for my patience. The trigger has been a bit gritty, but has broken in after about 500 rounds through it.

Wouldn't it be so very pointless and so very cool if they made a Mini 14 Charger? Olympic makes AR15 pistol variants, but this style handgun in a .223 would reach way out there in style.

[ArmedBear]

The Mini Charger would be fun simply because it would be louder than a .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake!

My Mini 14 Ranch Rifle is so loud that people come over to see what the hell I'm shooting. Then they see it's a .223 and shake their heads.:)

[JmanAR15]

Not quite as sexy as a Mini 14 Charger would be.

[M2 Carbine]

My Mini 14 Ranch Rifle is so loud that people come over to see what the hell I'm shooting. Then they see it's a .223 and shake their heads.

The Mini 14 is a pussycat compared to the .223 Kel Tec PLR.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KTPLRhand.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/PLRwithoutflashhider-1.jpg

[MCgunner]

Okay ... that is really really really cool

But what is it good for ???

Kinda what I was thinkin'. I never was into the hand rifle thing, I mean, beyond the Contender. I have a Contender, but never desired such as the XP100. Just ain't a "handgun" to me. Probably just my narrow minded hangup, but it does nothing for me. It took me a while to warm up to Contenders and once I got one, well, I couldn't go back. :D I'll pass on this thing, though. The Contender DOES fit in a shoulder holster.

[M2 Carbine]

Okay ... that is really really really cool

But what is it good for ???

In it's present configuration it's for bench rest pistol shooting. That's why a bipod comes with the gun.
I suspect it could be useful in the field in some cases as a replacenent for a 22 rifle.

I think there will be aftermarket stocks, etc that will make the gun suitable for offhand shooting.

[M2 Carbine]

I just finished shooting the Charger at 50 yards in the back yard.

I think if you enjoy shooting small targets at 25-100 yards while sitting and using a somewhat unusual gun, than you might like the Charger. If not, you would probably tire of the Charger quickly.

Personally, I find that kind of shooting relaxing and fun and inexpensive.:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Chargerinbackyard.jpg

[MCgunner]

Well, the contender is pretty good and making one ragged hole. If I got to carry it on a sling, I'll put a rifle stock on it and call it a rifle. But, lookin' at some of those groups, I think it might out shoot my 10/22 by a good margin. :eek: That ain't hard to do, mind you, just that they built that much accuracy in this thing and left it out of the rifle? Weird. Love my 10/22 as a field carbine/plinker, though. It's no match rifle without an influx of money, but it's sure fun and effective on small game.

[jgo296]

i think its cool id get one if it had iron sights
i have good vision so i really dont see the point of a scope on a 22lr

[M2 Carbine]

i think its cool id get one if it had iron sights

If not available already, I bet iron sights to fit the rail will be available soon.
I haven't tried it but I'm sure the rear sight from my PLR will work good on the Charger.
Just have to find a low front sight that's made to mount on the rail or better yet a front sight for the end of the barrel.

My eyes aren't that good anymore but I still like to shoot with iron sights to.

[Carl N. Brown]

Saw one at the range recently.
Travel light vermin gun. for when a rifle might not be handy. niche gun:
limited use, but in its proper role useful. Reminds me of one of those UK-legal pest control handguns.

[sig228]

Interesting SPECULATION over on Florida Shooter's Network about the Charger and AOW classification:

http://floridashootersnetwork.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=35201

[M2 Carbine]

I'd like to see the ATF try to take that Vertical Fore Grip BS to court again. Maybe that stupid ATF ruling will be buried for good.
I understand the last time the ATF lost, the judge said there's nothing wrong with installing a VFG on a pistol.

"However, at least one federal magistrate has decided that if
the grip is added later, the gun is not 'originally designed' to be
fired by holding in more than one grip, and thus putting a second
grip on a pistol does not make it an AOW. ATF does not regard the
decision as binding. The case is U.S. v. Davis, Crim No. 8:93-106
(D.S.C. 1993) (Report of Magistrate, June 21, 1993). The
prosecution was dismissed at the request of the Government before
any review of that determination by the trial judge."

[ArmedBear]

In it's present configuration it's for bench rest pistol shooting.

Maybe they can make another gun for shooting upside down and backwards with your head between your legs. Makes about as much sense.

[cslinger]

I love the charger but mark my words that pistol/bipod thing will come back and bite Ruger and the owners. The first thing that came to my mind when I first saw the Charger was...uh oh the ATF is going to eventually classify that thing as an uber evil, front grip having, weapon of mass destruction. Ok the first thing I thought was COOOOLLLLL, but I digress.

Chris

[M2 Carbine]

Maybe they can make another gun for shooting upside down and backwards with your head between your legs. Makes about as much sense.


I suppose if you enjoy shooting in those positions you might find such a gun.:rolleyes:

But there's a lot of us normal shooters that like shooting pistols and rifles from the bench.

[searcher451]

I'm anxious to get a Ruger Charger; I've had a 10/22 (and a .44 mag deerstalker carbine) for years and love the platform. The new Charger looks like a fun and inexpensive way to spend a Saturday afternoon. Alas, they are hard to find in my neck of the woods at the moment, and I want to buy it locally and support the hometown FFL dealer.

[GEM]

$279 at San Antonio gun show. Cabela's at $289 on sale.

[flip180]

I have a Ruger Charger topped off with a Bushnell Elite 3200 2-6x32 handgun scope. I have less that 500.00 total in the gun as it is now. I can't think of a gun in that price range especially for 300.00 for the gun with softcase and bipod that's more fun. This thing is super accurate and anything within 50 yards from small varmints to clay pigeons don't stand a chance. Hell, clay pigeons out to 100 yards are fun as heck to blow to pieces as long as you know where on your recticle the bullets are hitting. Ruger hit the nail on the head with this one. This thing is AR type fun but without the AR type cost when it comes to ammo. This thing can be used as a fun plinker with either a red dot or low powered scope or a serious target gun or critter getter using a scope with higher magnification. Mines a keeper and will probably go with me to the range everytime I go from now on.

Flip.

[LiquidTension]

For some reason I really want to thread the barrel on one of those and put a can on it...

[rainelle]

Speaking of threading a barrel how my charger. Yea I know the scope is a little big but I can hit 6 inch square target at 130 yars with it.

[rainelle]

To bad I can't spell. I type like tonto talks

[rainelle]

Problems that I had with my charger.

1. I had to float the barrel in what little bit of the stock that it had, and glass bed the action.

2. The trigger needed work and the trigger assy is now plastic/polmer.

3 The inside of the upper is coated with the same powder coating as the outside which quickly begins to flake of after you start shooting it, and becomes a terrible mess in the gun.

4. If you try and put the action in a rifle stock you might be considered to be in violation of federal law.

[Timthinker]

Has anyone fired the Charger without the benefit of a rest? If so, what type of accuracy did it achieve at 25 yards and beyond? What type of sights did you attach to it? These are the questions I seek to have answered.

When I first read about the Charger, I thought it was an unnecessary design. But upon rethinking the matter, it seems like a legitimate handgun for those interested in accurate distance shooting. In fact, I am tempted to make the Charger my next firearm purchase. Any further information you can provide about this unusal gun will be appreciated.


Timthinker

[M2 Carbine]

Has anyone fired the Charger without the benefit of a rest?

I've blasted away with the Charger at clay pigeons at 15+ yards.
At the time I was using a Red Dot sight.
And another time using a Green Laser.
Fun shooting but not the best gun for shooting offhand.

Personally I'd rather take advantage of the Charger's accuracy by shooting off the bench

[Timthinker]

M2 Carbine, do you know of anyone who has shot it at longer ranges offhand? If so, what was their spread? Thanks.


Timthinker

[rainelle]

I have shot the charger at our local NRA sihollette (sp) range. With good results. The way I set mine up per the photo above. I use a rifle scope, and shoot offhand with the support hand wrapped over top of the scope, and my arms tucked in close to my body. The scope I have is a BSA 3X9 mildot using Remington target rifle ammo and a 50 yard zero the first dot down hits at 75 yard and the second dot down hit at 100 yards.

For best accuracy with this weapon you need to go prone and bring your support hand up under the firing hand. I prefer a short eye relief scope in my pistols, but all I put them on is 22lr, as recoil could be a problem with larger calibers.

I like my charger but it is a weapon in need of a purpose. If I need compact I go with my 22lr pistols, if I need accurate I go with my rifles. I have yet to be in a situation where I need the right amount of both to make me reach for the charger.

[searcher451]

I just picked up a Charger from my local dealer and am anxious to take it out for a test drive. It's a strange-looking beast at first glance, although it has a nicely balanced feel to it. I need to load it up with a scope but have no good idea about the best way to go, given the number of choices that are out there. Can anyone make a recommendation out of the current CDNN catalog that will work well with the Charger and not break the piggy bank? Thanks in advance.

[Timthinker]

Rainelle, thanks for the advice about the best ways to grip the Charger. I completely agree with you that it is an unusal pistol. But given the increasing costs of everything, the charger might make sense as an economical long range handgun, though it range is certainly less than its centerfire counterparts. Again, thank you for the advice and welcome to THR.


Timthinker

[seeker_two]

I like the concept, but I'd like the Charger better if it didn't have as much wood on it. Just adds unnecessary weight. Maybe Hogue or Butler Creek will develop an aftermarket grip/stock that will allow off-hand shooting comfort.... :cool:

[Confederate]

This is a pretty good reason to own a Charger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97Drd-Tk-c), but I wonder if the $350 Ruger thinks it's worth is worth it. A stainless Ruger 10/22 with a scope, folding stock and cheap bipod would in many ways be better, but the Charger looks like it would be a useful addition to one's emergency preparedness kit!

The primary problem I see with the gun is why would Ruger put the cocking lever on the right side (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhP1o3f93T8&feature=related)when most shooters are right-handed??? Seems kind of dumb. They should have put it on the left! (And I say this as a left-handed rifle shooter.)

[M2 Carbine]

M2 Carbine, do you know of anyone who has shot it at longer ranges offhand? If so, what was their spread? Thanks.


No.
I don't know anyone else that owns a Charger and so far I've only shot it from 50 yards using the bipod.

[rainelle]

Everybody

I will try to get out this weekend and do some groups out to 100 yard with my charger and post them on sunday evening or monday.

To bad the ATF frowns on putting a rifle stock on this weapon, because if you had a folding stock and bipod on it I think you would have a killer setup.

[ScratchnDent]

I'd buy one in a heartbeat, if it only cost as much as the carbine.

[owlhoot]

Sorry, the "Vulcan" side of my brain is confused. I can't get excited about any pistol that requires a bipod, is not convenient to carry in a holster, and requires a scope. I have plenty of outstanding rifles.

[rainelle]

Got off work at a decent hour today and loaded the charger up and did some paper work. All the shot were from prone using the bipod. From what I can tell I would say the charger is a one inch gun at 50, 2 inch gun at 75 and a 3 inch gun at 100.

[rainelle]

Proof of what I said

[rainelle]

If you think about it not to bad 50 yards shoot gopher in head, 75 neck and head 100 yards body shot.

[M2 Carbine]

rainelle, what kind of sight were you using?


The primary problem I see with the gun is why would Ruger put the cocking lever on the right side when most shooters are right-handed???

Confederate, I'd like to see that on a lot of guns.

[Confederate]

It they would design such guns with the cocking mechanism on top and the ejection straight down, it would help a lot. The fact that the Charger can use high-capacity magazines makes it a very nice plinker and a formidable self defense weapon as well.

[Timthinker]

Confederate, your last posting reminded me of something the late Jeff Cooper said about .22s. If you must use one for self-defense, then make certain it holds plenty of rounds. I agree that a high capacity magazine would make the Charger more formidable.


Timthinker

[MCgunner]

Well, I bought another scoped Ruger model at a gun show last weekend. It has produced some amazing groups so far, with CCI Stinger, no less! It's worst groups with CCI mini mag and Federal Lightening measure 1/2" at 25 yards. And, this is a holster gun. :D I've been smitten by this thing. My Contender may get jealous next squirrel hunt I make. :D

That hand rifle has to be a good omen, though, for Ruger. If there was any question of running afoul of BATF or getting bad press from the antis, old Bill would never have considered it. On that and the new LCP, and hopefully more models to come, it's nice to see Ruger move away from the PC ethos.

I really don't see what would be a problem with BATF, though. There have been many predecessors starting with the XP100. None of 'em were semi autos, but they were all in more powerful center fire chamberings. Well, there was that M1 Carbine version I think Universal produced for a while, IIRC.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0226.jpg

[Sato Ord]

The charger is a nice gun. Although, I think for self defense you'd have a hard time proving you weren't lying in wait.:D

Looks like it would be a lot of fun on the range, and would have nice application for turning a small game hunt into something more akin to hunting big game. Be great to bullseye rats with it at the local dump.

They have one at the local shop here, might just be my next .22.

[MCgunner]

I googled the M1 hand rifle, was known as "The Enforcer". Wasn't able to find a picture, though. Just remember 'em from old magazines back in the 60s and 70s.

Edit, HA, never mind. :D

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/Universalstoegers.gif

[jakk280rem]

local store has one for 329 with a red dot and extra 30 rd. mag and the butler creek loader.

[rainelle]

M2 Carbine

The scope I use is a BSA 3x9 mildot at 100 yards the dot covers just about an inch. What I like about the scope is the ability to shot to the different ranges just by picking out the next dot.

[buck460XVR]

saw one at my local gun shop for $280...owner said I was lucky to see it 'cause he can't keep 'em in stock.

[M2 Carbine]

What I like about the scope is the ability to shot to the different ranges just by picking out the next dot.

I hadn't thought of that for the Charger.
Today I'm going back to pistol scopes for the Charger.
I wonder if they make mil dot pistol scopes?

[M2 Carbine]

I googled the M1 hand rifle, was known as "The Enforcer". Wasn't able to find a picture, though. Just remember 'em from old magazines back in the 60s and 70s.

I had the Iver Johnson version of the "Enforcer".
With the short barrel the gas pressure wouldn't reliably work the action in full auto. I even swapped the barrel with one a couple inches longer but it was still unreliable.
I got rid of it but I shouldn't have.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Enforcer.jpg

[Confederate]

If I had my choice between the Charger and a stainless Mark II, I'd still take the Mark II. I just wish someone would make a 15-20 shot clip for it.

As a defensive tool, the Charger is best used with a red dot scope for instant sighting. For long distance, I'd just as soon have a 10/22 in a Butler Creek folding stock.

I have a standard 10/22 with a Ramline lockback stock, a 4-7x Bushnell Custom scope and a 25-shot clip. The total I paid for this whole package was almost nothing a few years back. About a hundred for the rifle, about $40 for the stock and another $40 for the scope. The hi-cap mags were under $10.

Maryland, by the way, has not yet approved the Charger for sale or possession. They should be approved of by June 6.

[Mp7]

has anyone pimped it with an AK underfolder yet?

[Rugerlvr]

I don't see the point of the charger myself. I'd rather have a Single Six, and a 10/22.

Oh. I do. :D

[rainelle]

The charger is indeed a gun looking for a purpose, but until it finds that purpose it is just plain fun to shoot. I keep thinking I am going to use mine for groundhog huntin. I will let everyone know how it does the next time I go on a hunt.

[koja48]

I was gonna build one around a 10/22 receiver, 16.5" barrel, & extra trigger group I have. The outfit making the stock designed it so overall length was the rifle-legal 26" plus. Had my heart set on red, then they discontinued the red stock. Would have been a fun shooter, both for paper & gophers. Off a rest (which is also how I shoot the 10/22s I've modified, whenever feasible) I believe it would be as accurate as my 16.5" barreled 10/22 & capable of greater accuracy than am I anymore. Practicality is in the eyes of the owner/operator. An 1874 Sharps isn't terribly practical either, but Lordy it's fun!

[wuchak]

has anyone pimped it with an AK underfolder yet?

This is only a good idea for those who want to spend some time in prison. If you add a shoulder stock you will have created an illegal short barreled rifle.

[searcher451]

Might add here that I took the Charger to the range last weekend and had a heck of a good time with it. It performed perfectly out of the box and was niftily accurate as well. With ammo prices on the rise, this might well be my go-to range gun this summer.

[aka108]

Think I'd spend my money elsewhere.

[rainelle]

I promised a report on the first groundhog hunt with the charger. We were working in a target rich area and got 6 groundhogs in about 2 hours at ranges from 15 feet to 100 yards. The 100 yard shot was not a kill shot but anchored the groundhog til we could get close enough to finish it off.

It is a great groundhog gun as long as you keep it under 100 yards.