Center Point scopes any good??


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Brandon H.
December 28, 2007, 12:34 PM
I went to Walmart the other day and noticed they have a new scope on the shelfs here, its a Center Point 3-9x40 scope, its got a mil-dot reticle, and looks realy realy nice. I did some searching and cant find much of anything on these scopes. I need to know if they are any good. I mean I did look through the scope and it seems pretty bright, but I want to know about durability. I know you get what you pay for, but this scope looks BA. It would go on a Remington 700 ADL, .243 win.
You guys know anything about these scopes??

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000PS4CSS?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealtime-sg-mp-20&linkCode=asn

Only reason im havent shot my rifle yet is beceause I cant afford a good scope yet, and I dont want to site in a cheap scope that will loose its zero quick. So I need some help, I just need something durable.

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rcmodel
December 28, 2007, 12:42 PM
Just another cheap Chinese no-name scope.

I noticed it comes with Air-gun/.22 rings.
That right there ought to tell you it probably won't last too long on a centerfire rifle.

Besides, IMO: There is no scope that comes with a set of rings, flip-open lens covers, target knobs, adjustable Parallax, and sells for $60 bucks that would be worth wasting your time & ammo on.

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MAX100
December 28, 2007, 10:06 PM
The Bushnell Banner scopes are pretty good for the price. I would save up and get a Bushnell 3200, Excellent scope for the money.


GC

jpwilly
December 28, 2007, 10:09 PM
Just another cheap Chinese no-name scope.

I noticed it comes with Air-gun/.22 rings.
That right there ought to tell you it probably won't last too long on a centerfire rifle.

Besides, IMO: There is no scope that comes with a set of rings, flip-open lens covers, target knobs, adjustable Parallax, and sells for $60 bucks that would be worth wasting your time & ammo on.

RC...I disagree. I purchased one and it works just fine. The optics are good (not great) I have mine on a Mossberg ATR 30-06. I figure a Cheap rifle deserves a Cheap scope. The combo shoots sub MOA. The scope delivers everything you can get on scopes costing as much as $200 with the same features. A basic Nikon or other quality scope will have better optics but not the same features in that price range. For $69 this scope is a bargin I say buy it and try it...if you don't like it take it back. Wal-Mart has a "Satisfaction" Guarantee you know.

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rcmodel
December 29, 2007, 12:21 PM
Well, good for you.
Sometimes you get lucky.

It has been my experience with scopes like this that some of them are just fine, excellent in fact, and some of them just aren't worth a damn.
Spotty quality control allows some to slip through the Chinese cracks and they sell them all at the same low price.

I went through 2 very nice looking BSA air-rifle scopes last fall trying to find one that would zero/hold zero.
Finally gave up and bought a $90 Bushnell, zeroed it in a few shots, and am highly satisfied with it.

In the meantime, I had wasted several days, and spent $60 bucks on gas going back & forth to Cabala's to exchange junk BSA scopes.

Had I been fighting the BSA's with a center-fire rifle instead of an air rifle, I would have shot up a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo trying to get one of them that worked.

Couple that with a new shooter, that perhaps doesn't have a lot of confidence & skill in his shooting yet, and it can turn into a really expensive nightmare for him if he comes home with a bad one.

My advice was, and still is, to start out with a scope of known quality & reputation, even if you have to save your penny's for a while to buy it.

It will be cheaper in the long run if you know you are missing because of your shooting, and not because of a Chinese scope nobody ever heard of failing to zero/hold zero due to lousy quality control.

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jpwilly
December 29, 2007, 08:27 PM
RC...I agree, some cheap scopes are just that while others can be a super value. As you said the quality can vary, time and money can be wasted too. Good advise would be get the "best" name brand scope you can afford or take your chances.

That said my experience so far with the CenterPoint has been absolutely positive. I'd buy another one!

Schleprok62
July 8, 2008, 07:46 PM
I'm in the "go for it" crowd also... I have one on my .22lr and it's been nothing but great!!! Holds zero... I think it's a GREAT entry level mildot AO scope... I'm actually thinking about getting another for the model Five Remmy...

Blazegd
September 10, 2008, 12:38 AM
Here is the address for the manufacturer.
7629 Routes 5 & 20
East Bloomfield, NY 14443
1-866-726-1122
Perhaps this will enlighten you.
They are made in USA about 30 miles from my home.
And they are not intended just for airguns.
:eek:
ROCHESTER, New York, (January 11, 2007) - Crosman Corporation, a leading supplier of products for the shooting sports, will introduce CenterPoint Precision Optics, a new brand of riflescopes designed for big game, varmint hunting and target shooting. The new company, which will launch at SHOT Show 2007 in Orlando, Florida, will offer crystal clear optics, quality construction and all the newest features in the industry.

According to Crosman president Ken D'Arcy, the new high performance brand will take Crosman to a new segment of the shooting sports industry. "CenterPoint Precision Optics will change the dynamics of hunting optics, far beyond airguns," he said. "These scopes are state-of-the-art and modestly priced. We will be very competitive at virtually every price point."

CenterPoint will introduce three lines of riflescopes in a variety of sizes, magnifications and features. Its Power Class line offers 30mm, one-piece tube construction, large angled objective bells and fully, multi-coated camera quality lenses for maximum light transmission and the widest field of view. The range estimating Mil-Dot reticle, zero locking/resetting windage and elevation adjustments and dual illumination will allow the shooter to lock on the target at any distance and at a wide range of light conditions, for the most accurate shot. CenterPoint's Power Class scopes will be available in 3-12x44, 4-16x56 and 8-32x56 with varying features, retailing from $159.99 - $249.99.

CenterPoint's Adventure Class line of riflescopes will offer a parallax free image at virtually any distance. This line of scopes features multi-coated lenses, side wheel, dual illumination, zero locking/resetting windage and elevation adjustments and range estimating Mil-Dot reticles, all built on a one-piece, precision machined tube for maximum durability. CenterPoint's Adventure Class will be available in 6x32, 3-9x40, 3-9x50 and 6-24x50 with varying features and retail from $79.99 - $159.99.

Arctic Highlander
August 13, 2009, 06:39 AM
I can't speak as to quality as I haven't even taken it out of the box yet, but things may have changed; while it lists the same US address you gave on the box, immediately below that mine says Made In China. I ordered the 4-16x40 Adventure Class scope because all the sites that sell it list its Parallax as 3yds to Infinity and I wanted one that would focus down to 3yds (for an airgun). The box and Center Point web site however says 5yds to Infinity so I'm debating whether to return it.

Pine Knob
August 13, 2009, 09:30 AM
If this scope will hold up on a springer airgun it should last forever on a centerfire.
I have a RWS 54 springer and it has wrecked several good scopes.

Owen
August 13, 2009, 09:45 AM
Blazegd, that doesn't mean they're made here, just that Crossman is importimng them.

I don't thik its possible to make an optical device in the US for what these scopes are selling for.

macooley43
August 15, 2009, 12:35 AM
I've been looking for a scope with a parallax adjustment for a while now. I've checked casually at wal-mart, my local shop, and dick's sporting goods. When I saw the name CenterPoint and had no idea who it was, I said to myself "I'm not going to buy that trash!" I came across it again on Wal-mart's website and saw 21 ratings at 5 stars, 2 ratings of 4 stars, and 2 ratings of 3 stars. When I saw that, I had to see if it was all that people were saying. Boy was I wrong! IT IS AWESOME!!! I felt bad at the range because my buddy who got me into shooting just paid $500 for his leupold, and he looked like someone ran over his dog.

I saw someone say that they were worried about durability, but this scope seems very will made. Also, if I have a freak accident where I drop it down the side of a mountain, I can replace it for $70.

Now that I've gotten some target practice with a parallax adjusting scope, I can't go back. Accurate, Clear, Perfect pictures that don't move when you change the angle of your eye by 1/10th. I tested it at 5 yards with my Ruger 10/22 and couldn't believe that I could get a clear picture at that distance. (Yes I know I didn't need a scope, but it also looks better at 50 than any scope I've ever used.) Picture is great at 100 and 200 yards as well.

The other thing that I thought was a total gimic was the light up crosshairs. I never thought I would use them, but there is something about turning on the green or red light that makes mils so clear against the sight picture. That makes zeroing this scope is effortless as you can see exactly how much to adjust based on the crosshairs. I spent four hours at the range switching between a 30-06 and my Rugger 10/22 and I didn't want to leave because I was shooting so well.

Add the flip open scope covers. I thought they were just to look cool, but they are pretty darn convenient.

If you're looking for a cheap scope for your 22 and your budget is $50, save an extra $20 try this scope out. If you're looking for the best scope possible and your budget is $500, get this scope and use the other $430 to buy a new gun. Seriously, your $500 scope is embarrassing on a $300 gun. :)

ntruax
September 23, 2009, 03:53 PM
I have one of the Center Point 3-9x40 scopes sitting here and it says "Made In China" on the package. It was $54.97 at Wal Mart. I am leaving now to return it and I might get the 4-16x40 Center Point. There is an early youth rifle season here in Michigan this weekend and I need a cheap scope for my kid to use on his new Browning BAR .270WSM. Hopefully it can withstand 20 or so rounds at least. :D

DiverDown
October 31, 2009, 03:39 PM
I have two of them. One on a Marlin 60 and another on an M&P15.
Both have had several hundred rounds fired without any problems.

JTW Jr.
October 31, 2009, 11:17 PM
Have two , one on an AR15 and one on a 22 , after a year , no problems at all and they are pretty darn clear for the price.

Another good cheap scope is the Mueller APV for around $120 shipped.

ElrodCod
November 1, 2009, 01:28 PM
They are made in China.

JTW Jr.
November 2, 2009, 08:07 PM
More than likely so are the majority of the components of the PC you are surfing on , and your point is ?

ElrodCod
November 4, 2009, 03:40 PM
The point is to put to rest the notion that these things are US made. See post number 8 in this thread.

deer killa
December 6, 2009, 10:36 PM
they stink just another rip of

BIGDAVE54
December 18, 2009, 07:34 PM
I own two of the CenterPoint 4x16x40mm Adventure Class scopes that I bought at Wal Mart. I have one mounted on my Savage model 64... 22 LR rifle that cost about $130 and I have one mounted on an older model 93 Savage .17 cal rifle that I bought off a guy with a broken stock for $100. I spent $42 on a new stock and replaced all screws and the trigger group for about $20. I have about the same amount invested in the .17 cal as if I had bought a new one,but I have an extra stock that I patched up and can play with painting and experimenting and an extra trigger group. The scopes have been flawless. I am not afraid of something made in China. Just like Japan a few decades back the Chinese are turning out better products in many areas. In my workshop I have a 7x12 minilathe that was made in China I paid $400 for. The chuck on the little lathe is made in Japan and very precise. The runout on the center of the chuck is less than one ten thousandth of an inch. The fact that the Chinese CAN build a great minilathe if they buy the chucks from Japan is not lost in my way of thinking. I would have to buy a PRAZI lathe from Germany to come close to the precision this little mini lathe has. The PRAZI starts at about fourteen thousand dollars. I can not afford to pay that for a little lathe for my hobbies. I just bought a H&R 45-70 single shot rifle and am thinking about mounting one of the CenterPoint 8x32x56mm Power Series scopes on it. I am not interested in snobbery or conspicuous consumption when it comes to guns or machine tools. I just want something that works. The CenterPoint Scopes work....nuff said.

ChefKristian
December 18, 2009, 10:41 PM
I own one for my Marlin Model 60... It is a great scope for the money... Bought it at Dick's for $30. AR22 4x32mm that comes with mounting gear... I have put nearly 500 rounds since mounting the scope. For the money, hitting bulls eye at 100 yards with a 22lr after 3 tries... you can't beat the price... They say the scope is 100% waterproof, fog proof, and shock proof...

ms6852
December 20, 2009, 12:12 AM
What are the internal adjustment in elevation for these centerpoints? Just wondering if they have enough elevation for 200 yds with a 22lr.

Mags
December 24, 2009, 12:54 PM
Just bought the 4-16 Adventure Class. Yes it is made in China but for 70 bucks I thought I would try it out before dumping more money into a 550 dollar rifle. I was really impressed! All metal construction even on the adjustment knobs! Very clear scope and it has withstood my 308s recoil. Not as nice as others but what would you expect for 70 bucks. I always hate how people compare a 70 scope to a 400 dollar Leupold. IT IS WHAT IT IS and IT AIN'T WHAT IT AIN'T. Let's not make it something it is not. It is a cheap quality scope that holds zero and has a clear lens.

Col. Plink
December 24, 2009, 12:59 PM
+1 w/Mags; have had excellent performance with these on a seriously hard-kicking 30'06 and then a .308 semi.

$50 at Dick's... :)

gkdir
December 26, 2009, 03:19 PM
Recently bought a custom Mauser in .308. Came with a nice set of intergal ring/bases, and I just "HAD TO GO TO THE RANGE--NOW!". Had two scopes in the drawer, but both of them with 50mm bell. Off to wally world--decisions, decisions--Tasco, Bushnell, and Centre Point. What the hell, I figure they are all throw aways, so I get the Centre Point 4x16x40 AO w/lighted reticle. Back home and even a 40mm bell is just "a hair" to big. Shimed front and rear, leveled every thing up torqued it down, couple minutes with the bore sighter. Finally, range bound. Long story short--about 400 rounds(and several months) 2 white tail, a "bunch" of pigs, and one scrawny yote,, that cheap POS Chinese scope is still sitting on that $900.00 Mauser. Go figure.

Holling
December 26, 2009, 08:45 PM
I bought some Centerpoint POS scope from Walmart about a year ago. Mounted it on a Ruger 10/22. Not what I would call a mule kicking rifle. I sighted it in and it held zero for about 10 more shots. It started shooting way off to one side. No matter how many turns I moved the adjustment it wouldn't correct itself. Cheap optics are cheap for a reason. It is your money so buy whatever crap you want.
Cheap Chinese crap optic threads and Harbor Freight tool threads drive me nuts. Somebody has a great story about how they killed 1000's of bad guys in Macho Grande or they fixed the Space Shuttle with their stuff. I for one can tell you that that was my first and LAST cheap optic.

jcwit
December 26, 2009, 09:14 PM
I bought some Centerpoint POS scope from Walmart about a year ago. Mounted it on a Ruger 10/22. Not what I would call a mule kicking rifle. I sighted it in and it held zero for about 10 more shots. It started shooting way off to one side. No matter how many turns I moved the adjustment it wouldn't correct itself. Cheap optics are cheap for a reason. It is your money so buy whatever crap you want.
Cheap Chinese crap optic threads and Harbor Freight tool threads drive me nuts. Somebody has a great story about how they killed 1000's of bad guys in Macho Grande or they fixed the Space Shuttle with their stuff. I for one can tell you that that was my first and LAST cheap optic

Hope you like your cheap crap computer.

Mayhaps you should do some research as to just where most of the glass comes from for even the high priced optics. But then again I wouldn't classify a 10/22 as a high class firearm.

Now with that being said, you do get what you pay for and then there are times you get more value than what you pay for, then again there are other times one gets taken to the proverbial cleaners.

Holling
December 26, 2009, 10:10 PM
Hope you like your cheap crap computer.

Mayhaps you should do some research as to just where most of the glass comes from for even the high priced optics. But then again I wouldn't classify a 10/22 as a high class firearm.

Now with that being said, you do get what you pay for and then there are times you get more value than what you pay for, then again there are other times one gets taken to the proverbial cleaners.
Hope you like your cheap crap computer.
***? Are you stoned?

MrWesson
December 27, 2009, 12:07 AM
I have 2 of the same scope 4-16x40 one on my .270 and one on my 10/22. The eye relief at high level magnification leaves alot to be desired but they hold zero and function well. I have a nikon I have and it is much clearer but wasnt worth the extra cost between to 2 for me.

jcwit
December 27, 2009, 09:37 AM
Hope you like your cheap crap computer.


No not stoned, pointing out that more than likely the computer is/was made in china also, which by your posting you leave the impression everything from their is crap. As I stated, some research needs to be done regarding where even the companies that produce expensive scopes acquire their lenses, may suprise you. Sorry that I made the comparison hard to figure out.

Actually its to bad that we as a nation are being forced to buy all this imported goods. And as the economy continues to collapse we just buy more imported as thats what we can afford, which hurts our workforce even more. It's turned into an endless circle.

Holling
December 27, 2009, 10:48 AM
No not stoned, pointing out that more than likely the computer is/was made in china also, which by your posting you leave the impression everything from their is crap. As I stated, some research needs to be done regarding where even the companies that produce expensive scopes acquire their lenses, may suprise you. Sorry that I made the comparison hard to figure out.

Actually its to bad that we as a nation are being forced to buy all this imported goods. And as the economy continues to collapse we just buy more imported as thats what we can afford, which hurts our workforce even more. It's turned into an endless circle.
jcwit,
You are a very strange person. *** does a computer have to do with a cheap Chinese optics or chinese tools? I stand by my very sane post. Not even the Chinese military nor their police use Centerpoint scopes or any of that other crap. I'm done with you and this thread.
My guess it you are either 12 years old or have some serious "issues".
Good luck too you and please leave the squirrels alone.

dogrunner
December 27, 2009, 12:30 PM
I was intrigued by the Center Point R/G dot scope at Wally world & picked one up just for the heck of it. Mounted the thing on a minty M44 Mosin I own after scrounging a rear sight mount from a buddy. Sort of amounts to a poor man's scout I guess, but the point being that after several hundred rounds that scope is still holding up, still holding its initial zero, doesn't fog and frankly for a lousy fifty bucks I don't think one could beat it.

Now I own some rather high dollar gear, do my hunting with one of my BAR's or my old M/70 fitted with top of the line optics...and they're great. Still, for just a USABLE and apparently reliable piece of gear, that Center Point was well worth the money. I will buy another should the urge overtake me....

I am convinced that if the Chinks ever get their quality control issues under control that they will SMOKE western optics producers simply from the perspective of price and marketing energy.

And yeah, I agree on the subject of so much being made in China......unfortunately the one worlders in our own Gov't bought into the concept to our misfortune........and in Pogo's immortal words: "We have met the enemy and he is us.".

Anyway, for my money the scope line is darn well OK.

Mags
December 29, 2009, 01:06 PM
Some people don't get it the scope costs 70 bucks. Yes it is made in China, no it is not made for AirSoft or pellet guns. It holds zero and is clear what do you expect for 70 bucks? Some people pay 70 bucks for a scope and think they are getting a Zeiss or Nightforce. Then they compare it to their 500 dollar scope (which is also made in China) and they piss and moan because the 70 dollar scope isn't as clear as the 500 dollar scope. What do you expect for 70 bucks? For me it was a gamble spend 70 bucks now for a scope or save up a few hundred for a scope. The gamble paid off for me. I think people just get pissy when they pay more for something when there is something else out there that does the same thing for less money. Sure it ain't no Leupold but it holds zero and has a clear view.

lobo9er
January 4, 2010, 04:40 PM
elcod is right

I was disapointed to find out MADE IN CHINA. Bummer.

spindrift1000
January 14, 2010, 10:02 PM
Great scope for the money! Or five times the money! I have one on a 30.06 and another on a 300 Win Mag. we have been shooting MOA and under groups at our new spot in Gila Bend. We have several (40+) name-brand scopes including several over $600.00, none of which will justify their price tag when compared to these Chinese Wally world specials. I have two Shepherds that were close to $700 each. Both will be replaced with centerpoints. The two that I have now replaced a leupold and a nice Bushnell. They not only hold their Zero, but the optics are great, the Milradian dots are in the right place, and the MOA clicks are right. Nothing is more embarrassing than spending half a day working on wind, spin, drop, range, humidity, and altitude at 650 yards, just two find out that your $650 scope is ALMOST 4 clicks to the MOA.
Try the scope. Itís $70.00. Wal-Mart wonít ask any questions if you want your money back. As for folks wanting to put it on a .22 LR--- remember that a typical .22 drops by about one MIL DOT every 25 yards. This means you can zero at 50 and with the center pointís 5 aim points, you have a custom scope with points at 75, 100, 125, 150, and 175. All you need now is practice.

Calculate, Fire, Adjust, Fire for Effect

Archery Ham
January 14, 2010, 10:34 PM
I like my Centerpoint. It mounted on a Stevens 200 .243. I am impressed with the clarity of the glass compared to the price I paid.

rman43
January 21, 2010, 09:48 AM
I've got 2 of these things. One came on a Crossman spring gun and I was pretty impressed with it. Yes...it's made in China and I'm not a big fan of Chinese merchandise. The thing is, it's pretty darn clear for a cheap scope and holds its zero well. I bought another one for an AR 15 with a dedicated .22 LR upper. I expect this one will work just as well. I also have a Burris, 2 Leupolds and 2 Bushnell Elite 3200s. The Leupolds and Busnells are better, the Burris is not. At least it is not as clear, but not for what I'm using these Center Points on, they work just fine.

wolfpack29
January 27, 2010, 10:07 AM
I purchased the 4-16 x 40 scope before this years hunting season and mounted it on my Savage .270. I used it all season and it was fantastic. The optics were good and I didn't miss anything that I fired at (which was alot). I would recommend this scope to anyone. Why spend a fortune on a Leapold or Nikon? This scope worked great.
And oh, EVERYTHING is made in China these days!

wolfpack29
January 27, 2010, 10:09 AM
Must be a bad shot because I sighted mine on my .270 and have fired well over a hundred rounds through it and it is still balls on accurate.

blkbrd666
January 27, 2010, 11:19 AM
Crap or not, I wasn't able to break one on an AR10 this past summer...I'll give it another try when the weather warms up.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
January 27, 2010, 02:02 PM
Centerpoints appear to be the Hi-Points of the scope world: Everyone who has one says they're great, almost without exception. And almost everyone who doesn't have one badmouths them.

Mags
February 1, 2010, 10:20 PM
Good way to put it Dr. Winslow.

gkdir
February 2, 2010, 11:44 AM
I'm with you Doc.;)

jimmyraythomason
February 2, 2010, 11:59 AM
Ditto,doc.

Turn Key
February 2, 2010, 01:04 PM
^^Well said Doc^^

I own two Center Points - one with the red & green feature. Both are on 10/22 rifles and have had success with them.

That said, I also have a Bushnell Trophy and the optics are a touch better.

Returned items = (2) BSA 3x9 w/red dot's that quit
(1) Bushnell Trophy that lost the windage adjustment
(3) TruGlo Red Dot's - 2 were the 2x version -- lights quit working

Now all of these returns were in 2009 this past year. Now I know that I'm retired, but that is still a whole lot of grief, gas money and spent ammo. Just because I'd tried to save a buck and ended up with chinky junk.

(Not positive, but I'd bet that Bushnell is Chinese made as well)...

My two cents ;)

TK

bcrich
February 7, 2010, 12:13 PM
Does anybody know how much adjustment the 4-16 model has? I have only shot it out to 400yds on a 308 and was curious how much further it would go.

crawfobj
February 7, 2010, 03:27 PM
+ another one for the Doc. I have one on a bolt action .17hmr. My rationale was that I couldn't justify tying up a bunch of money in glass for a rimfire that doesn't get shot much. I was very pleasantly surprised with the performance so far.

Would I bet my elk hunt on one, with the time and $ invested? Probably not.

Would I put one on something to be used for SD purposes? Probably not.

Would I buy another one to put another rifle into action versus having it collect dust? Absolutely.

konfederate.kowboy
February 7, 2010, 07:13 PM
Would I buy one yes this one has been abused beaten and even hurt me a time or two but I have made some of my longest shots ever with it

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs236.snc3/22348_1354101690427_1167966217_1074415_237322_n.jpg

Papabolt
February 27, 2010, 11:01 AM
My first post here. No my profile isnt filled out yet but i wanted to chime in,...Ill put a min of 250 + rounds down range every week with that said...
I have a centerpoint 4-16x40 (CPA416AORG) mounted on a sig 556..Its a $70 mildot scope. Just save the original packaging. It acts up..Ill bring it back. As far as internals...I made a call to crosman the scope has 25 internal moa. With all my scopes i verify mechnical zero, it has 295 clicks windage and elevation. 295/2=147.5,147. Easily capable of getting out to 300yds for a $70 scope. I can buy an expensive piece of glass...But for $70....Not made in america..I would rather have/test the scope and be able to return it....No questions asked if it dont work...Than to, day in and day out pay for some POS sucking off the system, you and me paying for them to live in america, and not be able to a thing about it.

Whats wrong with possibly finding a diamond in the rough?

Maverick223
February 28, 2010, 01:40 PM
As far as internals...I made a call to crosman the scope has 25 internal moa.That is horrible...I would expect at least double that much.

I had one on my 10/17 that mysteriously lost zero and could not be re-zeroed afterwards. It has since been replaced, but I have yet to try it out. I'll update when I do, but I don't have a great deal of faith in it now.

:)

BruceGK
March 17, 2010, 08:12 PM
A couple years ago, I jacked up my slick Moss 4x4 on a gravel trail. So, I decided to just go out and get an inexpensive rifle for deer hunting in TN. No real need for a sniper rifle here. Anyhow, I bought a Moss 100 ATR .30-06 from WalMart. The idea was to put my Nikon ProStaff on it, and head to the woods. However, a new gun needs a new scope, and my wife talked me into getting the Centre Point 4-16x40 until I had saved up enough for another Nikon.
I bought it, and didn't expect much, but when I got to the range I was very pleasantly suprised. This thing has alot of features, clear optics, and has held it's zero as well as any of my higher-end scopes. I ended up not even replacing it on the ATR as it suites my needs and then some.
A year or so after that I got bored (retired military) and got a job at WalMart. I went to work in the Sporting Goods department because of my knowledge of guns and such. Now, I worked at a store right outside Fort Campbell, KY and always had young joes coming in looking for an inexpensive setup for hunting around TN and KY. The gun I usually pushed the most was the ATR, and I always pointed them toward the Centre Point scopes. Inside of my 10 months at the store I had countless guys coming back to tell me how happy they were with the setup because of the value, and quality of both the rifle and scope.

My opinion: Get the scope. It's almost impossible to beat the quality that you get for that $70 price tag.

shaman
March 18, 2010, 12:14 AM
Wanna give another + to the centerpoint. For what is it, it is worth the money for the options it has. I also want to add to the ruggedness. I went hog hunting and brought the airgun(it has the scope). The guide was less than smooth when driving throught the mud and muck, and there were several times the gun got air. Probably a good foot or so. I was scared for the thing. Shot it, no loss of zero. It's a good scope, nothing else. It was clear, and the IR was decent at low powers. The include covers are a pain unless you leave some more room in the mounts for them vertically. I have the 4-16x40 from Walmart, and have considered another, or the 3-9 on a rimfire hunter.

DasFriek
March 19, 2010, 12:40 AM
I just bought a great Savage 93BTV .17hmr which i love and it came with a Bushnell sharpshooter 3-9x40 $30 scope, Love so much i stole my Nikon Buckmasters 3-9x40 off my S&W 15/22 .22 as i figured a .22 doesn't need such a decent scope. What i didn't count on was how much i hate the Bushnell.
Ive been to the range twice now and still cant get a comfortable eye relief and sight picture worth a darn. But it will shoot great groups, But its like driving a Yugo and being 6'4" and 300lbs. You will get where your going but cuss the whole way.
Im going to Walmart and buying the Adventure Class 3-9x40mm when i get paid.
If that don't fix the issue ill take it back and buy another Nikon.

Here's the kicker, I expect alot more for my money than a $70 scope. Maybe thats wrong, But the Internet tough me a few things. Great porn is always free, And if you research stuff enough you can get great products for a low price.

For me the illuminated reticles will be great as at times ive been having issues with the scope cross hairs fading out and becoming out of focus in bright daylight.

I don't expect it to make me want to sell my Nikon, But i do expect it to make me like it just as much.
My Bushnell can then be duct taped to a pole and its last shots it ever sees will be the most comfortable shots it ever gave me :)

jpwilly
March 23, 2010, 01:08 AM
I posted back in Dec 2007 in this same thread.

I now have 2 Centerpoint 4-16x40mm scopes from Wally Word and one Red Dot. The first one I purchase on my budget 30-06 Mossberg ATR is still going strong and the combo shoots very well.

My newest rifle a Savage 10 308 is wearing the second unit. I just replaced the tall OEM rings with Steel Medium rings but otherwise this scope has been just a good as the first one. When I took the old rings off I found the front scope was loose! The rifle was still shooting under 1" at 100yards. Can't wait to find out how it will shoot now.

These scopes offer a lot for only $70!

G27RR
March 23, 2010, 09:28 AM
I have four of them on various rimfires. Are they as good as my Nikon Monarchs, Bushnell Elite 4200s, or Redfield? No, but the closest one of those comes is 2-3 times the price. I don't know how they hold up to centerfires, but I think they are great to put onto a $100-$300 rimfire.

JEB
March 23, 2010, 09:54 AM
ive had mine on my 30-30 for two years of deer hunting. its very clear and has never lost its zero. for $50 you will not be able to beat it.

dont listen to people who give reviews and advice on a product they have never even held!

basalt
March 26, 2010, 12:40 AM
This sold me on such a crappy scope: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEvU_ClXLOw

So far I love mine on my Roger 10/17. The eye relief is the worst part. Other than that its a great scope for what it is. It is actually much brighter than the Leupold VariX-III on my Rem 700 DBL in 22-250, but doesn't handle glare as well. It has a bunch of great features and for what I use my rifles for (fun), it would be stupid to spend 1x-3x the cost of my rifle on optics. If it ever turns up defective I'll take it back, or get 5 more and still not have spent as much as my Leu. cost.

no, the quality doesn't compare to the VX-III, but function wise it works just fine.

NSP64
March 27, 2010, 06:05 PM
I bought my 4x16x40 Center Point scope in jan 2008 ($49.00 on after Christmas closeout) To go on a .270 win Husky I bought from an estate auction for $165.00 (had an old repair to the wrist part of the stock). We can't deer hunt with rifles in ILL, so I was just using it to plink with. I started downloading ammo for use as maybe Coyote loads (26gr of 4227 under 150gr spitzer bullet was getting 2100 fps and 3/8" groups @ 100 yrds.) I accidentally double charged a shell and that was the end of the Husky:uhoh:
Blew the case apart, split the stock into 4 pieces, broke the bolt, sent the extractor into orbit. So I decided to get a varmit rifle, new Stevens 200 in .223 rem. Bolted the Centerpoint on to the rifle adjusted windage 6 clicks and zeroed. I am sure getting my moneys worth out of this scope.

godsey5
March 30, 2010, 01:35 AM
I have one on my Savage 110 tactical until I can afford better glass. It is a good scope FOR THE MONEY. After zeroing I set the locking rings in the turrets. I was deer hunting i my stand. A old flat bed trailer. I stepped of the trailer to take a leak, and it shifted and my 10fp took a spill landing on the scope. I checked zero and it was dead on and I dropped a deer with it at dusk that evening. The illuminated reticule was too bright at dusk and washed out my sight picture, not a big deal. But I was very impressed for the money. When I get some more loads worked up I will take it out and run the box test on it. It is a good budget scope. My opinion YMMV.

JIm

officer cool
April 12, 2010, 11:47 PM
i have 2 of the centerpoint scopes one on a 308 and one on a 7mm magnum. both have gone through months of pretty hard shooting and are still holding on perfectly tight. they are perfecly capable of 300 yd shooting since i was picking off spray paint cans with ease from that distance last week. this week i hope to shoot them to 450 and see how they do. overall great scopes!!!

sscoyote
April 18, 2010, 10:42 PM
Does anybody know what power the mil-dot is calibrated for in the higher end variables (4-16x+)? They probably just make one reticle for all the higher end variables and set it at 1 power--typically. Can someone tell me if there is an indicator mark on the power ring for milling purposes? Thks.!

mickeydim468
April 19, 2010, 01:43 AM
You need to set the 4-16X40 Adventure class scope to 10X magnifications per the instructions. The 3-9X32 or X40 needs to be set to 9X. This should all be on the chart that came with the scope. Ther is a separate paper in there explaining all of this. Otherwise I am sure they will have it on the Crossman web site.

BTW, I have 2 of these scopes too. I have also had a few I returned. The only ones I returned were the 3-9X32 model that I had on a .243. Not excessive kick, but the scope would not hold zero from one range trip to another. I would have to spend 10 to 15 minutes at the beginning of the range trip to zero the scope and the rest of the visit chasing the zero. I finally took that back for a couple of new ones and they did the same. Then I just went ahead and got the beefier Adventure class 4-16X40 and never looked back. I liked that scope so much I bought another for my 30-06. It shoots great with that scope. When I got my 300 Win Mag, I didn't have the cash for another scope, so I put the one from the 30-06 on the new rifle and took it out to the range. It zeroed after a few rounds and held zero even under the recoil of the beefy 300Winny. I ended up putting it back on my 30-06 and bought a Nikon for the 300, not because I didn't like the CenterPoint scope, but because I wanted to try out the BDC reticle on the Nikon. I got the 3-9X40 ProStaff model, and I am happy with that scope too. In comparing the glass between the Nikon and the CenterPoint, I would have to say that the Nikon is a tiny bit crisper at low light, but the extra magnification on the otrher scope makes up for it. If I practiced enough with the CP scope I wouldn't meed the BDC reticle, but the BDC reticle works, and it is just COOL! I love this stuff!

Mike

sscoyote
April 19, 2010, 06:41 PM
Just picked 1 up at Wal-Mart and have to admit i was a bit surprised to see that it looked so good. Gonna' put it on top of my AR and shoot a few prairie dogs with it/maybe coyotes next season for a review somewhere. Good positive clicks (compared to some more expensive optics i've used), and i really like the fact that there are 7 mils in all 4 quadrants from center. The paper that comes with it does say 10x calibration which means that at 16x it shoud be about 2.25 inch per hundred yds. between dots and dot subtension should be about 0.5" instead of the mil-std. ~.75" (assuming they're 0.2 mil-dots). Total vertical reticle compensation at 16x should ~15 MOA from center axis. Good clear focus edge to edge. Might be just right for the longer-range small target crowd...like me. Looks like about 63 MOA from stop to stop on the elevation turret. Just checked parallax at about 70 yds. and it worked!! ZOWWEE!

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t49/sscoyote1/IMG_0944.jpg

russellcframe
April 20, 2010, 11:53 PM
I just came back from the range where I tested out a brand new CenterPoint 4-16x40 on my old Remington 700 .308. This rifle has worn a low-end Bushnell 3-9 for many years and has killed moose, elk, bear, and plenty of deer. I considered the CP scope expecting it to be brighter, have more zoom, and I wanted to try a mildot reticle, the target turrets would be novelty but fun to play with.

I bought the scope yesterday and mounted it. I was impressed with the overall build and clarity just messing around at home. I did have to remove the rear sight on the Remington as the objective was rubbing on it with 1" rings...this bothers me a bit as I do like backup iron sights (having a back-country hunt ruined just by dropping a rifle and breaking a scope is not cool). As I was clicking through the elevation adjustments I noticed that about 1/4 of the range it was clicking but the reticle was not moving. No big deal, it's a cheap scope so I'm not expecting excellent quality control so I just run back to Walmart and exchange it for another. Drove from there to the range and installed the new scope there. I dialed it dead on at 25 with two shots, then 50 yards, then moved to the 100 yard range. I corrected the first shot at 100 by counting the expected 1/4 clicks and it was right on. The next three were all dead on. I zoomed to 17x and while it was noticeably darker I think it was still brighter than the old beat up Bushnell was on 9x. No change to POI at the higher zoom that I could notice. Moved out to 200 and thought "hey it looks fuzzy"...well duh it's AO and I just wasn't thinking, a slight twist of the objective end and it was a nice clear picture and I could see the target grid nicely. I decided to click in the range adjustment but wasn't thinking and doubled the correction...boom 5" high, right where I unintentionally told it to hit. Clicked back down to zero and shot 100 again, still looking good. I didn't shoot any further out this session and I'm not sure how much elevation adjustment range I have available after getting things zero'd, will have to see as I play with it some more. Like I said before I dont know that I'll normally use the target turrets for range adjustment but having the mildots is pretty cool and much better than the guessing game I had before.

Sun was well set by the time I finished and still had a very usable brightness even on 17x.

That was only 25 rounds of .308 but my first impression is very positive. It is a cheap Chinese scope that seems to be strong, the clarity is totally acceptable for my needs, and the features all seem to do what they are supposed to. I realize I have low standards, but I shoot for fun and cannot justify high dollar items if something lower cost will meet my needs/wants reliably. We'll see how it goes over the next couple months. As it is I'm confident enough to carry it on one or two short bear hunts this coming weekend. Your mileage may vary ;o)

armoredman
April 21, 2010, 01:05 AM
I am supposedly getting a Center Point soon from a friend, a 3-9 version, don't know much more, hopefully it will work better for me than the cheap POS Simmons I took back to WalMart yesterday. be mounted on my CZ 527 7.62x39, which I want to see just what kind of accuracy I can get from it at 200-300 yard range.

sscoyote
April 23, 2010, 12:22 AM
I'll get a chance to test mine tomorrow in the field out to 700 yds. hoping for little wind. Have the reticle calcd. to 700 yds. using 2.25 inch per hundred yds. between dots assuming that's correct for 16x-we'll see. Will check glass quality/parallax as much as possible in the field and turret calc., and repeatability as well as reticle. Should be fun. Will give a thorough report tomorrow.

Heavy Metal
May 8, 2010, 08:26 PM
I had a Centerpoint Scope 4x16 from wally world on my REM CDL SF 30-06 cost me @70 dollars... long story short my rifle once zeroed in shot a 1/4 inch grouping and did not even fine tune it all the way once got several 1/4 inch groupings I quit...

sscoyote
May 10, 2010, 08:32 PM
So far mine's working out great. Zeroed it at 225 in 2 shots from bore sighting on a 12" gong. Then moved out to 425 (2.4 2.25 mil units for my load), and shot 3 shots in < MOA 2 different shooters dead center on the 18" gong. That was a week ago. Will check to see if it holds zero as soon as the wind lets up.

sscoyote
May 11, 2010, 09:13 PM
Can't tell if the gun's shooting off or the optic, but the bullet impacted 2" low at 200 today after zeroing at 225 2 weeks ago. Gotta clean it, before next trip out--oh well. Did have fun using the optic to calculate how far off a buddy missed a rock at 1040 though. He had 32 MOA into his scope and then, when he missed high i noted that the bullet impacted right at 1 mil (2.25 IPHY @ 16x) high. So he was X x 100 / 2.25 / 1.0 = 1040, X=23" Told him to lower elevation by 2 minutes, and he almost hit the rock. That was kinda fun.

pahunter1957
August 15, 2010, 08:28 AM
I would not recommend a Centerpoint scope to anyone. I've had two that came on pellet guns and couldn't sight either one in. I switched them out with Bushnells and in 20 minutes I was hitting dead center. As far as the Centerpoints, they went in the trash.

I have Bushnells on a number of other rifles and they are very accurate. A good scope at a reasonable price. I would recommend them.

As for the BSA scopes I have on on a .223 Savage that I purchased new two years ago and it hits dead center at 100 yards. Maybe its the model that you purchased but mine is as accurate as accurate can get.

JTW Jr.
August 15, 2010, 06:38 PM
My experience has been the opposite , 3 BSA scopes , all turned to junk in under a half year each ( though one was ready for the trash can out of the box ) , but the Centerpoint has been reliable for almost two years with plenty of shooting.

Reliable enuff that I can write down settings for one ammo , adjust for another and return to first settings and be dead on again ( assuming I remember to count clicks ).

--With that said , for a bit more , I will take the Mueller APV any day.

RJR573
October 17, 2010, 03:10 PM
Had two for about a year now and put lots of rounds downrange with them attached. Had them on several rifles including a 10/22, .308 bolt action, .308 semi-auto, 30-06, 7.62x54R, and 8mm too.

Very clear and holds zero well.

It is made in China and says so on the bottom under the turrets. I have no problem with that and know some stuff from China & Japan is cheap junk but not everything. I wonder if the countries that we think make junk think the same about products "Made in America" ??

I have bought plenty American made items that did not work well or last a long time.

tommyintx
October 19, 2010, 01:11 AM
Me and two good shooting friends have about ten combined, only the 4-16x though. We haven't tried the 3-9. Nothing recoiling harder than a .308 full house load though.. But they all hold zero, have good repeatability, and pretty nice build quality and clarity. However, the battery runs out FAST on the illuminated reticle.. and the green is HARD on the eyes.

warrenco844
November 23, 2010, 01:25 AM
I bought one last year for my .50cal muzzleloader & sighted it in @ 100 yds without any problems. I'm using 100gr of Pyrodex & have probably shot it 20 times & it's still holding zero. It took 3 shots from a rest to get it where I wanted it & I acquired a 2 1/2 in group @ 100 yds. Not bad for a muzzleloader & a $70 scope. I love mine & if it can hold zero with a black powder rifle then a rimfire won't be a problem.

Hot brass
November 25, 2010, 03:54 PM
Friend and I just bought 2 CP`s.

Specter65
December 1, 2010, 12:42 PM
I own a Centerpoint 8-32x56 scope and have been very pleased with it for years. It was one of the first scopes they produced and I was fortunate to get it free when the company set up a giveaway on one of the other forums.

No, the optics are not as good as the high end scopes but clarity is quite decent. Repeatability, which is more important to me, has been very solid. I have it zeroed for a specific bullet I load but can change bullets, change settings and when I switch back to my zero bullet, it is back to hitting the exact POA. Mine is mounted on a Savage .223 so recoil isn't very much to affect the scope.

floydster
December 5, 2010, 04:47 PM
jcwit,
This is an old thread, but I was just wondering if you are still leaving the squirrels alone?:)

sfbrat
December 11, 2010, 01:55 PM
I have a center point 4-16x40mm mounted to a 7mm rem mag. It is a good scope even with the 7mm recoil. It will shoot 1" groups at 100yds and has for 2 years without any adjustments.Alot of folks dont like them but mine puts meat on the table so I cant knock it.

Bartman1121
December 29, 2010, 09:49 AM
I am new to the forum. Saw the blogging on Center Point scopes and just have to speak up. I have owned (and still do) everything from Bushnell, Tasco, Burris, and Valor, to Leupold, Zeiss, and Swarovski. I wanted a "cheap scope" for a .22 Mag rifle. Bought the 4-16 Adventure Class at Wally World. I have had it for 1 year and it has performed very well. Using the ballistic reticle, I have killed small game out to 150 yds (honestly). With the gun zeroed at 50 yds, 4th dot down is dead on at 150 yds. Understanding that the recoil on a 22mag is virtually nothing, I was willing to gamble $70 on the scope. I am satisfied and would buy another for a light recoiling gun. Light gathering is certainly not as good as the more expensive scopes, but I got what I paid for, and it suits this application just fine. I would buy another in the future for rim fire guns.

BrocLuno
January 7, 2011, 07:59 PM
There are two threads on this subject over in Rifles: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=457521&page=3 I wrote up my initial impressions there :)

And this one: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=480945

The 4-16/40AO is rated up to .416 Rigby by the makers, so I guess it'll handle recoil? I'm going to try it on a couple of rifles and see what happens? I did order the 40mm sun shade from the MFG and it was only $9.99 which is less than 1/2 the price of similar shades from others?

But, I'd also like to get some like minded folks here to help set-up some side by side comparo's with other "inexpensive" (read <$150) scopes. Anyone out there interested? I'll supply a new CP 4-16/40AO. I'm thinking a Banner, maybe Tasco, Simmons, and some others? Anyone have a .338 they want to shoot :)

71_440Superbee
January 13, 2011, 04:02 PM
I have the 3-9x40.They are ideal for .22's. My Marlin 795 hits dimes all day at 100yds with it,and out to 150 when I mount it on the Stevens 84D bolt. I put it on my old Stevens' 110E 30.06 and it held for the 10 rounds I put through it. I'd trust it on an AR 223/5.56,anything bigger in the future though will get a better optic for the added insurance.

mickeydim468
January 13, 2011, 04:18 PM
I still stand behind my assessment of the 4-16x40 Adventure scope. I have had it on my 300 Win Mag for at least 40 shots, and a couple hundred shots on my 30-06 and it is still going strong. It has held zero for well over a year now on my 30-06. I will not buy the 3-9x32 though. I had too many problems with mine. Wal Mart stood behind them though and I eventually traded up as I stated in an earlier post.

Mike!

tman65
January 23, 2011, 04:36 AM
Broc.... I'll take you up on that! I can test on a 45-70 with class 3 loads, a 300wsm, a 10gauge shot gun and a 338 win mag.

BrocLuno
January 24, 2011, 08:40 PM
PM on the way - I'll send test scope this weekend.

langenc
January 25, 2011, 07:23 PM
Didnt read posts-never heard of that scope.

BrocLuno
February 22, 2011, 09:14 PM
OK, Tman65 has a tester on the way. We'll see how she does? Hopefully, if it all goes sideways, we can get it back to the store in time for a refund :)

BrocLuno
March 2, 2011, 12:07 AM
So, I'm hoping the TMan65 will chime in here, but he's got the 4x16 mounted on his big bad 45/70 and he's put some seriously heavy rounds through it (about 20) and the scope has not misbehaved. Next up, 300WSM and some more recoil testing and range time. This is getting interesting :)

CraigC
March 2, 2011, 10:37 AM
And almost everyone who doesn't have one badmouths them.
A wise man once said, "I don't have to lick a turd to know that I don't want to eat it".

Some of us learned the hard way about cheap scopes and avoid them like the plague. Some, obviously, have yet to learn. Some are lucky and will never have to. I'm not much of a gambler.

jimmyraythomason
March 2, 2011, 10:40 AM
"I don't have to lick a turd to know that I don't want to eat it". And some don't know the difference between a turd and a Baby Ruth bar because they don't look closely enough to know there IS a difference.

CraigC
March 2, 2011, 10:45 AM
Sorry sir but you will NEVER convince me that a cheap Chinese scope from Walmart is anything but a turd. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt and a box full of busted scopes to remind me of it. If it is labeled Tasco, Centerpoint, Barska, BSA, Simmons, NcStar, etc., I ain't playin'. Another wise man said, "cheap is too expensive".

I would, however, love to know how you can "look" at a scope and tell that it won't shift POI, the reticle won't break or the glass won't fog or come loose???????

jimmyraythomason
March 2, 2011, 10:52 AM
Not trying to convince you (or anyone else) of anything. You obviously have your mind made up and there is nothing wrong with that. From many of the above posts others have had much better results than you have with these scopes and seem to be satisfied with them. I personally have had GREAT service from Barska and Simmons scopes (of those you list). I have never tried a Centerpoint so I have NO opinion on it but from what I read about them on this forum I just may have to try one.

CraigC
March 2, 2011, 11:14 AM
Get in the right crowd and you can find plenty of folks who expouse the virtues of virtually any product. That doesn't necessarily mean that what they say is, or isn't true. None are ever more defensive about their choices than those who use the cheap stuff. You have to ask yourself "why?".

jimmyraythomason
March 2, 2011, 11:19 AM
None are ever more defensive about their choices than those who use the cheap stuff. You have to ask yourself "why?". Could be because they are constantly being ridiculed for their personal choices. Choices that seem to be suitable for them.

CraigC
March 2, 2011, 11:36 AM
Not ridiculed. At all. Although it is ALWAYS taken that way. The sad part is that "I" am only trying to save folks money and frustration. Has nothing to do with chest-thumping or pumping up my ego. I'm not talking about putting a $1400 Zeiss on a 10/22. No matter how it is ever worded, folks always get defensive, like you are right now. You can never be diplomatic enough.

jimmyraythomason
March 2, 2011, 11:49 AM
Calling a persons choice of scope,a "turd" isn't ridicule? Perhaps I have misunderstood you? For the record I only have one Barska which cost me around $100 that serves me very well on a .22 magnum. Several Bushnell Sportviews,a Bushnell Banner,a Simmons 44 magnum(which I am VERY happy with) five Nikons and a Leupold. Because of personal experience,I no longer will buy any Leapers or Tasco but if anyone else is happy with them I say go for it.

CraigC
March 2, 2011, 12:51 PM
Calling a scope a turd is somehow ridiculing a person??? I must be ridiculing myself as well because how do you think I learned this lesson, by reading internet forums? If we can't look at this stuff objectively and discuss it openly then what's the point in even being here? There are people who buy ONE gun from a manufacturer that has a problem and it's okay to damn that manufacturer's whole product line but if you have a half dozen or more scopes fail then you should keep it to yourself???

jon_in_wv
March 4, 2011, 07:00 PM
None of the people bashing the Centerpoints seem to be doing it from experience but rather prejudice. I bought the 4-16 scope as a stopgap until I got a better scope for my 7mm. The scope held up fine to the hellish recoil of that 7mm for several hundred rounds. The adjustments worke fine and I've used it on several other rifles since then. Two of my daughters 22lrs wear the 3-9 Centerpoint and they work superbly. She can outshoot me and I would wager most of you with it. I wouldn't be heartbroken if I had to use it on my 308. I would rather have a better one but for the price the Centerpoints aren't a bad choice. I've paid more for worse.

1greg1
March 4, 2011, 07:14 PM
scopes what for? shoot just fine out to 500 yards or so.

tman65
March 10, 2011, 11:33 AM
I have recently been testing a 4-16x40 centerpoint, provided by Broc. my findings so far are, It is pretty clear glass for it's price range. Very clear during daylight hours and useable into low light hours. I am not Impressed by the Illumination on the reticle for any low light use, as it is just too bright even on the lowest setting. The adjustable objective does work though, and will focus clearly down to about 3 yds. The windage and elevation dials are positive, and repeatable. So far I have recoil tested it on a 45-70, and a 300wsm, with no problems what so ever. Next up on the recoil test is a 7mag, a 444 marlin, and then 12 and 10 gauge shotguns. I have compared it side by side with several scopes for optical clarity, and low light performance and the results were as follows: 1st up is the group of scopes the centerpoint was on par with: bushnell sportview, bushnell trophy, simmons blazer, simmons prosport, konus pro, simmons 8 point. scopes that it was NOT on par with were: Burris FFII, Vortex Viper, Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch, Weaver Classic, Intensity Optics, and Simmons Aetec Master series. These are just the handful I tested it against, and bear in mind that everyones eyes are different, and you may well see things differently than I did. I did not do any scientific tests, just simply looked through them at different times of day at various distances from 3 yds out to 500 yds. I will continue testing it for awhile, and will keep posting results. Many thanks to Broc for providing the centerpoint for these tests!

BrocLuno
March 10, 2011, 02:49 PM
Thanks TMan65. BS and banter aside - I wanted to know if this thing could actually take a beating. TMan offered and he has some heavy recoiling guns to test with. Bought it off the shelf, took it home and played with it. Dropped it from about 4 feet onto carpet and looked through it again. It was OK, so boxed it up and off to TMan it went. He's been beating on it for a while and it ain't broke so I'm guessing it's OK :)

slowr1der
March 10, 2011, 06:32 PM
I'd like to see someone do a drop test with one of these on a rifle, by dropping it from a few feet then picking it up and seeing if the poi changed.

tman65
March 10, 2011, 11:23 PM
I'll do that over the weekend slow, and let you know the results. I will also walk the box with it and check for POI change on different mag levels.

dacavasi
March 11, 2011, 01:23 AM
Never had ANY luck, whatsoever, with the Chinese made scopes. AND I'm not trying to group them here, I'm old enough to remember when Japan was considered to be 'junk'...
BUT, I have bought my share of 'Barska', and 'Famous Maker' scopes, and immediately sent them back, to know that their optics are junk, compared to just about anyone else's product. Your experience, and eyesight, may vary, and that is understandable. You may have very good experience with some select models, but, by and large, I would definitely recommend you invest in a higher quality optic...

Mags
March 14, 2011, 09:41 PM
Wow Dacavasi, way to talk about something without even trying it. I hate that when people posts an opinion about something without even trying it.

What is that opinion worth? How does it add productively to the forum?

I have a CenterPoint 4-16x50 and it is a fine scope for 69 bucks. I can see the target and hit the target with it. I can even hit the target 5 times in a one inch area. But I guess because it's made in China I had better just throw it away and not have a scope at all.

I have owned the CP for almost 2 years now and have had no problems with it on my 308 Howa. I bought the scope with a "what the hell I'll try it out" attitude and decided to keep it despite what the folks who have never looked through one have had to say.

tman65
April 1, 2011, 11:53 PM
The centerpoint I have been testing has survived like a champ! It has now been through 444 marlin, 338 win mag, 300 weatherby mag, 7mm rem mag, 8x57 mauser, 12 ga. shotgun and 303 brit jungle carbine. I dropped it from about 4' with no damage or change in zero and it walked the box pretty darn close. ( last group was about 7/8" off, but the gun was getting pretty warm too...) I'm not sure what else you could reasonably ask of a scope in this price range! I think for someone on a budget that needs a good hunting or even target scope you are going to be hard pressed to beat the centerpoint!

kingmt
April 3, 2011, 12:00 AM
I've been using a CP for about 2 years. The first one I bought is very clear & a great scope the second is a great scope but while clear I wouldn't call it very clear but good enough I didn't take it back to replace.

crracer_712
April 22, 2011, 10:54 PM
Well, I bought the 3-9x32 (has the dual colored lighted reticle). Bought a simmons 3-9x32 and a truglo trushot 3-9x32 as well. All cheap scopes. The simmons and Trulgo went on Ruger 10/22's and the center point went on a 597. The simmons was the closest to center upon initial sighting. Shot a nice tight group after sighting in. The Trushot was off quite a ways, but had enough adjustment to get to the bullseye and shot a nice tight group there after. The center point was all the way to the right side of an 50 yrd target. After much adjusting, it still shoots wherever it wants too, no two shots are anywhere close to another.

I cannot verify as of today that its all the scopes fault, but prior to scoping these three rifles, for plinking purposes, I thought the 597 was the most accurate of the bunch with open sight. I'm pulling the scope tomorrow to try target paper with the open sites and see what happens. I got a feeling I got a bad Center point. If that's the case, I'll try to return it to Dick's Sporting Goods, probably not for another Center Point. I'm sure if the scope is bad, the next one will most likely be 'ok', its just that out of the 3 scopes, the Center Point is the most difficult to sight through, but does have a tad better appearance through the optics than the Truglo Trushot. The Simmons had the nicest optics of the 3 and I believe it was the cheapest of the 3.

While I would like a nice scope on my 22, I just don't want to spend much over 50-60 bucks for one. So.... I try out the cheap scopes and hope for the best. If I end up returning the center point, I think I'll try a bushnell, although I should probably just get another Simmons. I'd really like to have the Nikon Rimfire, but I just don't want to spend that 100 bucks.

JTW Jr.
April 23, 2011, 12:02 AM
For the price , even though it is more than you want to spend , the Mueller APV is worth the $130. Have had mine for a few years , holds up great and was a snap to zero. Glass is nice and clear.

infuriatednoodle
April 24, 2011, 08:51 PM
I have one on my 30-06 and so far it seems to be doing fine. My only gripe about it though is when I want to adjust it to the left, I have to turn it right and when I want to change the elevation down, I have to turn it up and vise versa. So far it seems to be holding its zero and I would give it a 4 out of 5. Not all things made in china are terrible. Just look at Spyderco knives.

BrocLuno
May 5, 2011, 03:39 PM
Like TMan65, I'm pretty impressed. Who'd a thunk at that price :)

I bought another one to put on my "tacticool" 06 project rifle. Cheap enough and it will fit right in :)

saabin
June 2, 2011, 11:26 PM
I just picked up a CP 4-16x40 at wallyworld and I have to admit I am impressed. The only thing I noticed is in the higher zoom settings you must hold your eye perfectly on the centerline or the image clouds a bit. Technically you should align your eye with the centerline anyway so while you can look at it as a flaw you could say the scope is forcing you to use it properly.

Also it is made in China. I know that has already been covered. However if anyone is interested it is made by Tongzhou Fortune Instruments Co, the same company that makes Barska, BSA, and at least some of the Leapers and Tasco lines.

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