[Wildalaska]

Just so you guys know, there is a repeated ad on guns America for Pre 81 drop in auto sear. Rest assured that the mere possession of this item will cause you nothing but grief unless you have a Class 2 Maunfacturers license.

WildwatchoutAlaska

[bogie]

Actually, from what I understand, they're legal to own.

Just as long as you don't own, and are never in the presence of, an AR-15-type rifle.

[cordex]

Sort of like those 80% receivers. What purpose are they other than to build an unregistered gun?
Bit on the David Letterman Show called "Throwing 80% Receivers Off the Roof of Our Studios in a Fantastic Display of What CBS Will Do For Ratings." Exotic paperweight. Conversation piece. Artwork. Pencil holder. Funky gearshift knob. Dummy gun. Ammunition for a small trebuchet. Small robot chassis. Doorstop. Ballast for a hot air balloon. Toothbrush holder. Small defensive club. Hood ornament. Door handle for a gun safe.

Or, maybe to legally build your own firearm.

Sadly, our nation is slowly becomming a "needs based" society.

[telewinz]

I was on Jury Duty once, we (they) aren't that dumb. You would be convicted and your "expert" lawyer will be scratching his head and want more money for your "sure thing" appeal. Even the judge doesn't know for sure what we are talking about behind the closed doors of the Jury Room. We (the jury) MAY opt not to follow the Judge's instructions if it serves our idea of justice (who's going to know, who's going to tell?). Justice more often than not is served, one way (conviction) or another (different conviction).:uhoh:

[hammer4nc]

wild alaska,

Not disputing your assertion, but aren't the ads in question placed by a rather large multi-state sporting goods store, with a Shrevesport LA outlet? You'd think they would know the pertinent regulations? Or, it could be someone using their name without permission? Or, a BATFE reverse sting? {Ha ha, just kidding, they wouldn't do that.} Thanks for the heads up.

[faustulus]

We (the jury) MAY opt not to follow the Judge's instructions if it serves our idea of justice (who's going to know, who's going to tell?).
"three men may keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

I am not even going to touch the morality (or lack thereof) behind that statement.

[10-Ring]

Yeah, things like that seem to pop up now & then. I have thought about taking advantage of a few but never have...too much cost, not enough benefit :rolleyes:

[TexasVet]

What purpose are they other than to build an unregistered gun?
As far as the feds are concerned, so what? Perfectly legal under federal law to build a gun for yourself. Most still free states think so, too. I do one every few years just to keep my hand in.
In Texas, the term "registered gun" has literally no meaning.:D Texas understands that it has no need or right to know what personal property one owns.

[telewinz]

My comments concerning what may occur in the jury's room are quite legal and are part of our jury system. These "rights" today are often not mentioned by the judge or any friend of the court as they are quite unpopular with the powers that be in our legal system. Do a search on the internet, you will be quite amazed at the inherent power of the jury, power that exceeds that of any judge. An innocent man has nothing to fear from our jury system, it's his best friend. But a guilty man, thats a much different story. It matters not to the jury how expensive his attorney is or what stories he may offer. Do you really believe just fools and idiots are selected for jury duty? The evidence submitted in court and the good common sense of the jury will determine your guilt or innocence. What is their to fear from a jury of 8-12 people selected (by the defense & prosecutor) among your speers? How else would you have it? Do you want justice or an easy escape from it?:uhoh:

[Kharn]

SaxonPig:
80% guns are 100% legal under federal law, even Maryland has no problem with citizens building their own guns. IIRC, the only state its even questionable in is Kali, due to the state's broad definition of a 'zip gun' the guns cant be registered should that model ever be designated an "Assault weapon".
If you'd like proof, please see the ATF FAQ, question A7 (ATF site is currently screwed up, and I cant find my hard copy, but that should be the right one) or PM me and I'll give you the link to a letter I recieved from the ATF Tech Branch last year regarding 80% recievers.

Kharn

[Greg L]

We (the jury) MAY opt not to follow the Judge's instructions if it serves our idea of justice (who's going to know, who's going to tell?).

Jury nullification has a long history. The judges and the rest of the legal system would much rather that no prospective juror has knowledge of it because it strips too much power from them and places it back in the hands of the people.

More information here: http://www.fija.org/

Greg

[telewinz]

I hope you have opened the eyes of a lot of FUTURE jurors, most of our legal system ills could be resolved by an informed Jury. A jury that refuses to convict makes ANY law invalid, even the US Supreme Court must take a back seat to the jury "rights" we already have but are ignorant about. What anti-gun lawyer would waste his time against an informed pro-gun juror? In this great country we the people have always had the power but as always we are too lazy or indifferent to use it. The legal system isn't broke, we the people just refuse to read the directions/instructions for its proper use!

[doctorhumbert]

If you gonna build a full auto Ar 15, why spend +$100 on one of these? You can buy mil-spec sear for $10 or less and have it installed 'properly'. It is waste of money whether you do it legally (class II) or illegally:eek: . I smell booze, tobacco, and gunpowder from the seller.

[Cal4D4]

Per telewinz...

"Do you really believe just fools and idiots are selected for jury duty?"

I have sat on a small handful of juries (token fool, not idiot) and have seen all manner of odd results. Juries can be and often are corrupted by extreme chauvanism for race, neighborhood, social and economic class and also the occasional closet idiot. Massive awards have been granted to the undeserving based on sympathy more than merit or reality. Society has had to suffer the release of all manner of sociopaths because of some unfortunate occurance in their past that they claim is the defining moment of their life. This is where the high priced lawyer gets his foothold. The backdoor access to our ability to reason is thru our emotions. It only takes one in twelve to nullify a guilty verdict. The only standards I would impose on all jurors is they be able to remember what they had for breakfast the day before and can count to twenty with their shoes on. This would speed jury selection a little.

[cordex]

If you'd like proof, please see the ATF FAQ, question A7 (ATF site is currently screwed up, and I cant find my hard copy, but that should be the right one)
Thanks for the pointer.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm
(A7) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]

Telewinz,
I was on Jury Duty once, we (they) aren't that dumb.
Eh wot? The question was:
What purpose are they other than to build an unregistered gun?
I gave some possible examples. Would they fly in court? I highly doubt it. As I said:
Sadly, our nation is slowly becomming a "needs based" society.
Oh, and as an aside, I'll be attending jury selection on Tuesday.

[nemesis]

What about this? Is it an auto interruptor? I see lots of these "surplus rare parts" for sale at ebay.com

http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/51/50563/sear-1.jpg

ebay page (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3619407770&category=31826)

[Kharn]

Thats the autosear out of an M16. With the M16, there's an extra hook on the hammer which is grabbed by the autosear. When the bolt carrier is not in battery, the autosear prevents the hammer from falling by holding that hook, the autosear is rotated by the back of the bolt carrier when its fully closed, thus letting the hammer fall. This prevents an out-of-battery explosion (which isnt very likely with the AR15, due to the design of the firing pin being held by the bolt carrier and not the bolt), which on other guns can be a serious problem.

If you own an Ar15, I would suggest not bidding on that auction, unless you like grey bars, crappy food and a roommate named 'Spike'.

Kharn

[telomerase]

>An innocent man has nothing to fear from our jury system, it's his best friend.

Tell that to my friend the Ph.D. chicken-farm consultant who just got convicted of selling eggs (eggs that the FDA retroactively decided were "drugs" because they contain anti-yeast antibodies); she could get as much as fifteen years.

Most juries just do whatever the judge and prosecutor tell them to do. You're totally correct about the inherent power of the jury, but only vertebrate life forms can use that power.

[faustulus]

A cliche comes to mind:
Do you want to have your fate decided by 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty?

[PAshooter]

We (the jury) MAY opt not to follow the Judge's instructions if it serves our idea of justice (who's going to know, who's going to tell?).
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"three men may keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

I am not even going to touch the morality (or lack thereof) behind that statement.

Wow... a little OT, I realize, but it always amazes me how few people realize who's actually in charge (or should be in charge) in this country.

Judges are not Gods, nor are they "the law." Their job is to interpret and administer the law, and lately, as a group, they've been doing a pretty poor job of it. Just look at some of the rulings that have come out of the 9th circuit court of appeals lately and then talk to me about "morality."

Read the foundational documents of our nation again and remind yourself where ALL government power comes from - from the consent of the governed. Just because some judge tells me, as a juror, to do something stupid and wrong doesn't mean I have to do it. Ignoring unjust (and possible illegal) instructions isn't immoral - it's my duty as a citizen.