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cpileri
July 25, 2003, 06:35 PM
There seems to be a paucity of web data available on the CZ DUO, the little 25acp progenitor of the Raven (looks like anyways).

I am looking for info of any kind on it. All info.

Anyone actually own/fire one? replacement parts a pain, I bet?

thanks in advance for your time,
C-

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Jim K
July 27, 2003, 12:57 AM
Here is some info, but there is an error in describing the DUO as double action; it isn't.

http://members.aol.com/rllyvncnt/duo.htm

And please don't compare the DUO, well made of good steel and one of the best European .25 autos, with the Raven, which is a real POS. The only resemblance is in size and caliber.

Jim

Old Fuff
July 27, 2003, 11:52 AM
The “DUO” was made in Czechoslovakia by CZ and imported into the United States for a short period following World War Two by the Thalson Company. It is a good-quality approximate copy of the Browning and Colt vest pocket models. It lacks a grip safety, but has a manual one plus a magazine disconector. The original retail price was $40.00 which contributed to its popularity. Finding parts will be a problem. If it’s in good shape it is a far, far better pistol then the Raven.

Jim K
July 28, 2003, 12:57 AM
"If it’s in good shape it is a far, far better pistol then the Raven."

Old Fuff, for once you are wrong. If the DUO is in BAD shape, it is a far, far better pistol than the Raven.

Jim

cpileri
July 28, 2003, 05:06 AM
Thanks both,
Yes, that's about as much info as I was able to find! This is one of the only times i can remember that NO ONE on ANY forum, including milsurpshooter.net etc, has alot of info on!
No one who has answered anyway has said they know anyone who owns one or has fired one.
Maybe this is new ground to cover!
This one appears to be in BAD shape, but for 100 bucks as opposed to 300 I have seen them going for (admittedly 300 for a nice one) maybe it would have been worth checking out. Link:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=10411399

C-

Jim K
July 30, 2003, 11:37 PM
Well, I own one and have fired it and a couple of others That is why I can say the DUO is reliable. It is also quite well made, but the wartime finish is not as good as pre-war guns I have seen.

On that gun on the auction site, the pitting appears shallow and the gun just might clean up and reblue OK.

Jim

Old Fuff
July 31, 2003, 09:44 AM
cpileri:

I have owned two DUO’s over the years, the first being in the middle 1950’s. Both were in good shape, functioned reliably with “hardball” ammunition, which was the only kind available at the time, and were as accurate as any vest-pocket pistol of it’s type, including my little Colt model 1908. I think we would have seen a lot more of then if the Russians hadn’t taken over. If you have/carry one you want it in good condition because repair parts and magazines aren’t easy to find. I had one aftermarket magazine and it wasn’t worth zip.

Jim:

I am never wrong, just frequently confused. I carry no torch for the Raven, but examples I tested were functional, at least for a time, and parts and spare magazines are easier to find then for a DUO. Literally millions of Ravens were made, and they provided some protection for people who couldn’t afford to buy anything better. They’re pot-metal construction is certainly not the best, but it is better then nothing. While a goodly number of them have been featured in crimes and unintentional (so-called “accidental”) shootings the number of these “misused” guns is a tiny fraction of the number produced.

I define “bad” to mean that a gun’s condition has deteriorated to the point that reliable and/or safe function has become questionable. In a DUO this usually involved corroded chambers, broken striker/firing pins, weak springs and bad magazines. A “cheap” Raven is better then a “quality” gun that won’t work – but not by much.

Herb Fredricksen
April 2, 2004, 08:29 PM
I'm drawn to every vestpocket pistol I see so the combination of a beautiful stainless pearl gripped FN Baby at $450 next to a similar black framed and gripped pistol at $100 made me catch my breath. I asked the dealer if they were both FN Babies and he said yes, then stopped what he was doing and took a closer look. Actually the black one was a Duo. Side by side the mistake was easy to make. I haggled it down to $90 complete and felt I'd done very well.

Its a fine quailty arm, solid as a rock and fun to shoot. DAO with manual safety. Dead ringer for my Colt 1908 except for no grip safety. Seems Frantisek Dusek of Opocno or Opotschno (hence Du-o) made his own line under his name from about 1919 until he sold the design to CZ in 1926. It is similar to the 1950 marked Brno Z pistol and may still be in production. CZ's later .25 is the slightly larger model 1945 and I'll buy the next affordable one I see.

Herb Fredricksen

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