Is .40 S&W on the way out?
Nomad101bc
January 1, 2008, 07:12 PM
I went to cabelas to buy bulk .40 S&W but all I saw was .223 or 9mm. Are they phasing out .40 S&W? I am just worried because its my favorite handgun caliber and I plan to have many firearms set for that caliber. Please dont turn this into a .40 s&w vs .45 acp debate.
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The Lone Haranguer
January 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
I think it is more of a problem with your Cabela's or their supplier. Or perhaps someone just bought it all. ;) I see no indication that the cartridge itself is "on the way out."
cslinger
January 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
Not with just about every LEO agency using. Chances are you just missed the stock.
Nomad101bc
January 1, 2008, 07:16 PM
Or maybe it was so popular they sold out who knows. I just hate having to buy it only 100 at a time and spend 27$ on it.
41magsnub
January 1, 2008, 07:16 PM
They have it, it is even on sale...
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod-wrapped.jsp?id=0022873&navCount=1&parentId=cat20837&masterpathid=&navAction=push&cmCat=MainCatcat20712-cat20837&parentType=index&indexId=cat20837&rid=
Edit: oh.. referring to a local store. Well.. the website has it still anyway :)
Just to put this is perspective, I went to a sportsmans warehouse a couple of weeks ago to get some cheap .22's for plinking and they had nothing at all. Somebody had bought out the entire stock of .22 lr and shorts except for shotshells. It was something like 10000 rounds at once.
Nomad101bc
January 1, 2008, 07:17 PM
Shipping on ammo makes it not fun to buy online. I'd much rather be able to find it at a store. Besides its on back order.
SouthpawShootr
January 1, 2008, 08:08 PM
Supply problem. If anything, .40 is becoming more popular. Particularly with PDs. It will be with us for some time to come.
jaydubya
January 1, 2008, 08:33 PM
Most of the empty cases on the floor of my range are .40 S&W. It is not going away any time soon.
Cordially, Jack
jdorian
January 1, 2008, 08:36 PM
Definitely a local issue, as my local Walmarts often run out of certain items in the Ammo section too. Gander Mtn is also out of certain items for a week at a time.
SDDL-UP
January 1, 2008, 08:50 PM
I guess all ammo except 9mm and 223 is going extinct.:rolleyes:
Try another store... or ask about 75% of the LE agencies in the country!
SDDL-UP
January 1, 2008, 09:05 PM
I guess all ammo except 9mm and 223 is going extinct.:rolleyes:
Try another store... or ask about 75% of the LE agencies in the country!
Scorpiusdeus
January 1, 2008, 09:12 PM
Yes it is on the way out.... the door of every place that sells it, FAST!!! It's popularity is growing fast.
12Bravo20
January 2, 2008, 01:02 AM
That's why I reload. The .40S&W round isn't going anywhere. It was just your local store was out.
10-Ring
January 2, 2008, 01:09 AM
My guess is they just ran out...I would ask when their next shipment is ;0
gallo
January 2, 2008, 01:43 AM
Wal-Mart has the cheapest .40 S&W albeit not much variety, but for target practice you can't beat their prices.
DENALI
January 2, 2008, 03:21 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by bulk, are you reloading? If not look on the net for specials like the one I found at cheaper then dirt, Winchester Ranger 155gr JHP's for 13.90 per box of 50. It's wicked good ammo and at that price you should be able to do yourself up just fine, I got a 1,000 rounds. Also check out Ammunition to Go, just google it. If you hurry you still might get some of the .40 cal Ranger LE ammo from CTD........................
easyg
January 2, 2008, 10:18 AM
The .40 is here to stay.
In fact, I would not be surprised if the next U.S. military issued handgun was a .40 caliber.
Nomad101bc
January 2, 2008, 11:42 AM
How much are you paying for shipping?
possum
January 2, 2008, 02:10 PM
.40 isn't going anywhere, and even if it did i know i am good i have countless amounts of brass probally 10kk worth and the loading components. :)
KBintheSLC
January 2, 2008, 02:24 PM
No. Its not being phased out.
mpmarty
January 2, 2008, 02:28 PM
I sure hope so:p
rbernie
January 2, 2008, 02:29 PM
Is .40 S&W on the way out? No.
hnk45acp
January 2, 2008, 03:00 PM
People are just stocking up for those rampaging tigers.:neener:
JPP
January 2, 2008, 06:05 PM
It's going to be around forever........... unlike the 45GAP :neener:
JP
rcmodel
January 2, 2008, 06:17 PM
Must be the only store in the country that has any .223.
I thought they did away with it!
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Autolycus
January 2, 2008, 08:28 PM
I hope not as it is my favorite caliber as well.
jeepmor
January 2, 2008, 10:47 PM
Empty shelves indicate demand, not obsolescence. My favorite caliber is .40's bigger brother, the 10mm. 40 was not lacking at my retailer, not entirely, but selection was limited. No 10mm was to be found.
jaholder1971
January 2, 2008, 10:57 PM
I know of one regional ammo remanufacturer who is 300,000 rounds behind in his .40 S&W orders, mostly going to law enforcement.
No, the .40's here to stay.
xpun8
January 2, 2008, 11:16 PM
I've had that happen at GI Joe's. They'll have a sale on the UMG (250 rnds) the .40 and 9mm are always gone. .223 and .45 are always in stock, so it seems.
I really need to start learning about reloading and it's advantages.
4v50 Gary
January 2, 2008, 11:26 PM
Good enough for tiger. Sad, but true. :( The .40 S&W is here to stay.
callgood
January 3, 2008, 12:32 PM
I spent an hour on my knees New Years Day picking up brass at my local range. 9mm, 40S&W and .45ACP. I got a 1 gallon ZipLock full of 9mm and, by volume, I'd say more .40 than .45 by 20%. Around 2/3 to 3/4 of a gallon bag of each.
I used to bitch and moan when scooping up 9mm, trying to leave the .40S&W. I took a pistol class and came home with a 5 gallon bucket of mixed brass. There was so much .40S&W I hit critical mass and started loading the stuff. I found a S&W Model 610 to shoot it out of until I can get a .40 conversion barrel for my Glock20.
Going away? Nope. Not around here. Now, .357Sig is a rare bird!
Nomad101bc
January 3, 2008, 12:57 PM
They still make 10mm?
Remmi
January 3, 2008, 01:50 PM
I've a question related to this, just sort of offhand.
I read that several government agencies had been using .357 SIG as their standard issue round; but is there any truth to this with the prevalence of .40 S&W with LEOs?
The .357 Sig is one of those carts that intrigues me on it's concept, rather then it's numbers; so I was curious.
Finalizer
January 3, 2008, 03:04 PM
I read that several government agencies had been using .357 SIG as their standard issue round; but is there any truth to this with the prevalence of .40 S&W with LEOs?
Yes. The US Secret Service and the Federal Air Marshals, for two. To add (since you're in Texas) it's also the standard issue for Texas DPS.
Remmi
January 3, 2008, 05:50 PM
Spiffy, Thanks Finalizer.
The .357 SIG cart caught my eye for the concept of .357 Magnum in an automatic; before you had to hunt down a Coonan .357 for the same thing. Not that I'd mind having a Coonan, no siree...
ACORN
January 3, 2008, 06:03 PM
Whatever you do don't go by the big box guys. My local GM store has 0, none, nada, 1911 mags. Hardly an obscure handgun.
doc2rn
January 3, 2008, 06:17 PM
Stuff is just coming up short everywhere. Your store was just out of stock. Havent found a .40 I like yet!
shooter429
January 3, 2008, 07:46 PM
The .40 S&W and it's daddy the 10mm are here to stay. There is enough demand to keep these nice little rounds here for a long time. Myself and hoalf the law enforcement community are betting on it.
Shooter429
elderboy02
January 3, 2008, 08:48 PM
.40 I would think is actually gaining in popularity I believe. Why would it be going away? It is a great caliber.
Constantine-p89
January 3, 2008, 09:07 PM
I think the 40 is here to stay right along with 9mm but the 45acp is lacking popularity with LEO's and most of shooters(new).
PzGren
January 4, 2008, 03:00 AM
Going a lot to a well frequented public range in S.E. Florida, I find more .40 shells than 9mm or .45 ACP.
Nomad101bc
January 4, 2008, 04:34 AM
Nah .45 will continued by all the die hard 1911 fans. Besides my range has a strong .45 ACP culture and is usually sold out of the .45 they stock. I think even in the year 2200 there will be still be a strong 1911 culture.
Anyone here ever use 10mm?
hoji
January 4, 2008, 06:00 AM
It is here to stay. Local walmart has Blazer Brass for 7.57 a box of 50. I love the look on the clerk's face when I go in and ask for ALL of it:evil: I usually buy whatever they have on the shelf{20-25 boxes}:neener:
ARTJR338WM
January 4, 2008, 10:50 PM
I will go out on a limb here and say that the .40S&W is definately no lower than the no# three spot in civilian semi-auto popularity. Behind only .45acp and 9mm. It is here to stay.
As a matter of fact I went to the bass pro, cabelas, and gander by my house and at all three the shelves were full of 9mm, near empty of .45acp, and quite low on .40S&W. I asked all three thay all gave similar reponces, cant keep afordable .45acp or .40S&W ammo in stock, but thay get so much 9mm it is rarely out of stock.
Mad Magyar
January 6, 2008, 06:55 PM
I hope not...There certainly has been a change on these forums regarding its popularity....A few years back when I joined gun forums, .40SW bashing was quite common. Not much anymore, for good reason...
In fact, I would not be surprised if the next U.S. military issued handgun was a .40 caliber.
Not in the forseeable, too much politics/alliances, economic considerations involved...If it was all about testing; we would still have the .45acp...:)
Nomad101bc
January 7, 2008, 02:58 AM
The beretta 9mm with FMJ is absolutely absurd to call a man stopper. Ask anyone it often takes multile rounds to stop people with the damn things.
MarshallDodge
January 7, 2008, 02:02 PM
When I pick up brass at the range, 40 is becoming more and more popular. It may be more popular than 45 at my range
Hawk
January 7, 2008, 02:44 PM
I'm guessing that if sales breakdowns are on STI's site, they're OK with me posting a portion:
Caliber breakdown for single stacks is:
9mm = 45%
.38S = 5%
.40S&W = 6%
.45ACP = 43%.
Any surprises there? Surprised me!.45ACP was replaced by 9mm to the tune of 13%.
Staggered column guns break down as follows:
9mm = 18%
.38S = 10%
.40S&W = 60%
.45ACP = 12%
More surprises as.40S&W chews into both the 9mm and the.45 market share. That seems to be the Law Enforcement and Military market caliber of preference now. At least in the markets that we serve.
Linebreaks and emphasis mine. Single stacks, per the same "Skinnergram" run 41% of total. I was a little surprised to learn that .40 was over half of all staggered column pistol sales. .45ACP is even taking it in the shins on single stack though that's more to the 9mm than .40.
Nomad101bc
January 7, 2008, 11:57 PM
Well i guess thats the idea behind 40 S&W the compactness of 9mm but almost the same power as .45 acp
copper4262
January 8, 2008, 12:30 AM
NO!! .40 isn't going anywhere anytime soon - i think the 9mm will die out faster - way too popular with LE and thats seeping into the general public - im surprised however that in my local area the .45 is coming back - i dont think it will ever reach the level of the .40 but its not going anywhere -
personally i think that the GAP is gone - - Anyone else see that??
Nomad101bc
January 8, 2008, 12:59 AM
Well 10mm seems rather hard to find. I wanted to rent a 10mm hand gun for nostalgic reasons but they did not have any ammo in stock.
shooter429
January 9, 2008, 06:56 PM
But it uses the same bullets & powders etc. and has a large cult following. I have never been unable to find 10mm, except at the range itself. :confused: Go to a Cabellas or Sportsman's Warehouse etc. In fact, I have found 10mm brass for less than the .40 brass and loaded ammo too. But the .40 is much more popular.
Shooter429
the pistolero
January 10, 2008, 11:55 PM
The .357 SIG cart caught my eye for the concept of .357 Magnum in an automatic
You could have the same thing with a 10mm, but I suppose when it comes to ammo availability .357 SIG would have the advantage. But that's just a guess on my part, because when I go into the local fun stores I am not looking for it.
As for the .40S&W...eh, make mine a 10mm. :D
Jkwas
January 12, 2008, 10:58 AM
I've been thinking about a 40 myself. Now that I practice more with .22, The price of a box of 40 over a 9mm isn't as much of an issue. And it does seem to be a much more powerful round, and maybe even better than the 45.
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