Rainier price increase at Midway


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jlficken
January 2, 2008, 11:19 AM
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I'm glad I bought last week as now instead of 2K .451 230gr RN being $200.99they are $269.99. Taking into account that they no longer are giving a discount for being a dealer it is a $101 price increase. Basically Rainier/Midway just priced themselves out of my business on those bullets. The only reason to buy them is the savings over jacketed bullets but now they are within a few dollars of eachother which is really confusing since it has to cost lest to make plated bullets than jacketed. It just irritates me to no end that they went up 50% in pricing. I know that prices go up but 50% is insane!!

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Roccobro
January 2, 2008, 12:03 PM
I guess I won't be buying any Rainier this year after all. :(

Justin

Kimber1911_06238
January 2, 2008, 12:05 PM
you can always buy berry's bullets online. they are cheaper than rainier from midway

The-Fly
January 2, 2008, 12:06 PM
Plated bullets in the past year are a ripoff. I've found that "zero" brand FMJ's from powder valley are a lot cheaper.

Crimp
January 2, 2008, 12:33 PM
I quit buying both Berry's and Rainiers this past year because of rediculous price increases which brought them almost to the cost of jacketed bullets.

Now, I look for the best deals on jacketed bullets and am considering hard-cast in all calibers.

snuffy
January 2, 2008, 12:33 PM
Take a look at the X-treme bullet line at this link;

http://www.xtremebullets.com/plated.htm

The same 2K 230 RN .452 bullets would be $252.00 INCLUDING freight.

This is the former west coast bullet company, who has always claimed to make the thickest plated bullet of the 3 that are currently popular. I've been using them for several years, with excellent results.

dpart77
January 2, 2008, 03:35 PM
Since when did midway stop their dealer pricing? I just got an email from them requesting my C&R rewnal.

gandog56
January 2, 2008, 04:27 PM
I've been using moly coated bullets because the were already way cheaper than copper plated. Too bad Bear Creek and MB went out of business. Well, I still have Precision Bullet.

jlficken
January 2, 2008, 04:34 PM
They didn't stop the dealer pricing persee they just aren't giving it on most of the bullets anymore from what I can ascertain by lots of searching. It seems that they are just giving it willy-nilly on whathever they feel like at the moment. I dunno but I don't like it.

strat81
January 2, 2008, 04:36 PM
jlficken, you depress me. :)

jlficken
January 2, 2008, 04:38 PM
Plated bullets in the past year are a ripoff. I've found that "zero" brand FMJ's from powder valley are a lot cheaper.

How bad is shipping on "Zero" brand bullets since they can't manage to do a shipping calculator and just say "Shipping will be calculated and added to order." which makes me nervous.

jlficken
January 2, 2008, 04:41 PM
Sorry strat81, I depress myself sometimes too :)

I am thinking Berry's, Zero Bullets, or X-Treme Bullets are now going to be my option.

asknight
January 2, 2008, 05:13 PM
I won't be buying anything reloading related soon as I stocked a little of what I use most before the price hikes hit hard, but I've had excellent service and consistency from the Zero true FMJ bullets.

If you can get jacketed for the price of plated, no need to question the intelligence in that move...

Edited to add: I just checked my link to Powder Valley on the Zero bullets but they're showing to be out of stock on the 230gr RN @ $199/2000 but do have the 230gr JHP for $210/2000. They even have Winchester 230gr FMJ for $240/2000.

Walkalong
January 2, 2008, 05:38 PM
Ranier priced themselves out of buisness a year ago as far as I am concerned. They got to where I could get jacketed for the same or better. Berry's were still much cheaper and Zero's were competitive as well.

RustyFN
January 2, 2008, 06:10 PM
I have also stopped using plated bullets and started using Zero bullets. I have never bought much from Midway, they never seemed to have any deals when I checked their site. I buy a lot from Powder Valley and Grafs. I check Grafs first because they give a good C&R discount compared to the ten cents Midway would give. If you want a good laugh go the Berry's home page and add something to the cart. It looks like a good price until you see the lead surcharge.
Rusty

Mr.Revolverguy
January 2, 2008, 06:16 PM
I must be missing something. I was buying a lot of rainier but now i have to rethink that. But rainier has always been cheaper than berry's for me because when you go to cash out berry's add the lead surcharge. Last I looked that lead surcharge made berry's 158gr 257 bullets 26 dollars more than getting them from rainier. What I think has happened is rainier saw what Berrys was doing and have increased their price to match or come in just under. I wish someone would show me how to get berrys cheaper.

Mr.Revolverguy
January 2, 2008, 06:24 PM
I see the lead surcharge for berrys has gone back down. Box of a 1000 357 158gr is 65 bucks with 9 dollar surcharge for total of 74 dollars. Rainier has gone up to 100 dollars from what use to be 72 on this same item. I see and agree the rainiers has priced themselves out of my business. I will look at some of the other links provided in this thread as well.

Mr.Revolverguy
January 2, 2008, 06:36 PM
Wow this puts me in a serious situation. I have a local company that produces lead cast at a very very reasonable rate but you can only buy locally at gun shows. I have used them previously and they were great to shoot I just do not like all the smoke you get from lead for health issue reasons.

sublimaze41
January 2, 2008, 06:42 PM
I just bought 3,000 bullets-----9mm 115 FMJ HB for just a few dollars more per thousand versus Rainiers. I use to shoot 75% Rainier, that has changed for reasons described above.

I don't cast yet, but I can see myself doing that if the current trend continues.

Mr.Revolverguy
January 2, 2008, 06:48 PM
Clue us all in where did you get such a great deal.

dpart77
January 2, 2008, 07:52 PM
Rainier just lost my business also. Too bad I just finished working up some good loads. Oh well back to the drawing board.

Mr.Revolverguy
January 2, 2008, 08:01 PM
Dpart same here it sucks because my 357 load had guys at the club trying to get me to load for them, they were practically begging. I told them sorry I do not do that and you all know that is a no no anyway :) I will see what the prices are like at the gun show this weekend with my local vendor. See if I can convince them to do business online. But they just do cast though.

jlficken
January 2, 2008, 09:36 PM
Is ther anything special to do at Graf's or do you just call them to get their fax # to send a copy of my C&R? I may start buying more from them since it appears they also offer free shipping on some items.

Luggernut
January 2, 2008, 09:56 PM
I'm kicking myself in the ass since I just bought 2000 230gr .45s for $170 AND I was really thinking of getting more. Too late now. Good God that price increase is just ridiculous!

Luggernut
January 2, 2008, 10:04 PM
MrRevolver- you said that Berrys' surcharge has gone down again? It's still $1.20/lb and it's been that way for a while as far as I can remember. Was it higher?

XD-40 Shooter
January 3, 2008, 12:08 AM
I agree, the price on the Ranier 155 grain 40 S&W bullets went from $82.99/1000 up to $98.99/1000.:mad: I won't be buying any more I'm afraid. Its a good thing I bought 3000 of'em for $225 and free shipping last year, also got 2000 Rem 125 grain SJHP's for $150, last year. The price on those has skyrocketed as well.

From now on I'll be buying from the local gun show's, I've been seeing the plated bullets going for $90/1000 in 40 S&W. Time to buy another thousand.:D Next gun show......2 weeks out.:D

evan price
January 3, 2008, 02:29 AM
Wow, check out TJ Conevera, they stock Winchester FMJs,
9mm 115-grn is $69 per thousand
.45 ACP 230-grn is $104 per thousand
And I think those prices are including shipping, but I have not ordered from them yet.

Walkalong
January 3, 2008, 08:06 AM
And I think those prices are including shipping
Yes they do. I just got 2000 .45 Berry's from them. I believe everyone when they say bullets are due for another big hike this year. Went again and got some more.

jlficken
January 3, 2008, 11:13 AM
It's going to be a long month with everyone posting these deals since I can't buy any more bullets until next month :( Thanks for all of the tips on better prices everyone.

putteral
January 3, 2008, 11:36 AM
I just ordered 1000 230 fmj from TJ Conevera. Includes shipping. Very reliable

strat81
January 3, 2008, 11:59 AM
It's going to be a long month with everyone posting these deals since I can't buy any more bullets until next month Thanks for all of the tips on better prices everyone.
Liar! :) Stop buying Glocks and you'll have $$$ for ammo! (Not that I should talk. I bought a 1911 and can't afford to feed it!)

Anotherguy
January 3, 2008, 12:01 PM
Thanks for tipping me off to TJ Conevera. Never knew about them and they're pretty close by. Just placed an order for 1000 Win .45ACP 230 Gr. FMJ. Even with state sales tax it was still cheaper than buying Rainier plated bullets from Midway with the recent price increase. I've been a longtime customer of Midway but I'm very disappointed in them right now. The increase seems excessive.

Steel Talon
January 3, 2008, 12:27 PM
FWIW..
I just sent Rainer a EMail basically telling them they cant count on me to buy thier product anymore.

Peace
ST~

jlficken
January 3, 2008, 02:09 PM
Liar! Stop buying Glocks and you'll have $$$ for ammo! (Not that I should talk. I bought a 1911 and can't afford to feed it!)

Ha! You may be onto something there :) It is my fault for making a deal not to buy any gun stuff this month. I don't know what I was thinking.

I think I also may send Rainier an EMail stating the same thing as those are my feelings as well.

strat81
January 3, 2008, 02:30 PM
I don't think I'll bother contacting them. If you get a response, it'll be along the lines of:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for contacting Rainier Bullet Co. We love hearing from shooters! We are disappointed to hear that you will no longer purchase our product due to high prices. But please understand, these increases are necessary for us to stay in business. The rising costs of lead, fuel, and other commodities have forced us to raise prices to cover our costs while still maintaining a healthy bottom line.

If there's anything we can do to help you in the future, do not hesitate to contact us!
Molly O.
Customer Service

I don't think any company intentionally prices themselves out of the market.

Steel Talon
January 4, 2008, 11:12 AM
Strat81,

Close

-->Tanderson, thank you so much for your email. It is certainly not our goal to price ourselves out of any customers. We’ll get on the internet and check out the situation. Thanks, Phyllis Welker, Customer Service/Sales,--

Peace
ST:cool:

LotI
January 4, 2008, 01:13 PM
Relax. The same thing happened last year. Everybody needs to make a profit to stay in business. We knew that prices were going up the first of the year, just like 2007. Natchez had the letters from the ammo vendors posted online. The September 2007 price increases of 15-25% were a prelude to this. Now it's another 25%. Rainier may lose some of your business, but they are watching their bottom line so they can remain afloat during the coming recession.

Recent purchases:
12/31/07 158gr Hornady LSWCHP 300ct $16.69 today $24.49
12/2/07 124gr. Remington GSHP 500ct $44.99 today $57.99
12/2/07 135gr. Speer SBGDHP 100ct $17.79 today $20.49
11/17/07 124gr. Rainier FP 3000ct $192.89 today $267.99
7/23/07 148gr Remington LDWC 2000ct $73.89 today $99.99

more drastic?
12/29/2006 125gr. Hornady HAP 1000ct $58.29 today $115.99
1/21/2005 500 Winchester USA 180gr. 40S&W ammo $79.99 today $186.99
12/29/2004 500 Wolf 230gr 45 Auto $66.25 today $117.99

I bought raw materials in 2007 because I knew the prices were going up. I started reloading in 2005 because I saw prices increasing. I stocked up on XM-193 in 2005 because I saw what was coming.

The writing is(and has been)on the wall.

pinkymingeo
January 4, 2008, 04:32 PM
Midway is rapidly driving this customer away. Their shipping has always been horribly expensive. If you buy powder and primers, they charge two hazmat fees. Their new bullet prices are way above the competition. I like the guys, but just can't afford them anymore.

The-Fly
January 4, 2008, 04:42 PM
How bad is shipping on "Zero" brand bullets since they can't manage to do a shipping calculator and just say "Shipping will be calculated and added to order." which makes me nervous.

Their shipping is pretty reasonable. Last batch of bullets I ordered, the shipping was $15ish if I recall for 3000 9mm 135gr. Hopefully they'll starting the USPS flat rate shipping in the future,

Walkalong
January 4, 2008, 06:17 PM
GhostHolster (http://czcustom.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=72de2df06095e1b47951799ecccd5abf) sells Zero bullets real reasonable. Shipping is included in their price.

So does RozeDistribution (http://www.rozedist.com/), but I have to pay tax with them as I am in Alabama like them.

Ghost Holster has Roze beat right now, but I have ordered from them in the past when they were best even with tax.

T J Conevera (http://www.tjconevera.com/bullets.html) also has good deals.

I have done buisness with all three and have been very happy.

RustyFN
January 4, 2008, 07:27 PM
I see the lead surcharge for berrys has gone back down. Box of a 1000 357 158gr is 65 bucks with 9 dollar surcharge for total of 74 dollars.
That's good to know. I know that Berry's has been spending a lot of time on GTR ( Glock Talk Reloading ) talking to people about price and also what they would like to see in the way of some new style bullets. It sounds like they might be listening.
Rusty

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