S&W M&P Experience


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dpierce80
January 2, 2008, 04:04 PM
Has anyone had experience with the S&W M&P pistols? Has your agency approved them and if so do you or anyone on your squad have one yet? What do you think of them in comparison to your previous or current gun?

Thank you for any help in advance?

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sturmgewehr
January 2, 2008, 04:47 PM
You might want to visit the M&P forums (http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=3660b63f3dab4100e9166c5b0ab4851a) and check out the numerous problems users are having. It's pretty crazy how many problems there are.

I don't own a M&P yet, I'm waiting for some of the issues I'm reading about to be addressed.

Here are some of the more alarming issues I've seen multiple discussions about over there.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/tharmsen/Forums/guns/MP/mp40-3.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/tharmsen/Forums/guns/MP/mp_40_slide.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/tharmsen/Forums/guns/MP/striker.jpg
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/tharmsen/Forums/guns/MP/mp_broken_striker.jpg

tblt
January 2, 2008, 04:49 PM
Thanks I will scratch this one off my list

Luis Leon
January 2, 2008, 06:29 PM
I guess the cracks showned in the provided photos haven't occur with other brands of pistols? dpierce80, Shoot an M&P for yourself before you make your final decision. In the same MP-pistol.com forums you will find many singing the praises of the M&P pistols. There is one particular post where one person put 20k rounds through his M&P 9 and experience the crack on the slide as shown above. Ultimately it your decision to make, good luck.

I own the following pistols CZ75b, CZ75bd, CZ75-p01 and used to have a Glock 19, currently the gun on my hip is an M&P 9. I've put 1k rounds through mine and am loving it. Its become my IDPA gun and pushed the others into the safe. Also, Smith&Wesson's lifetime warranty will have you covered.

regards,

Luis Leon

P.S. For me the M&P 9 wasn't even on my radar, then I won, and started to shoot one. One sweet shooter, I definitely will be buying a second M&P 9 in the new year.

TomN
January 2, 2008, 06:37 PM
Love my M&P 40. Have a couple thousand rounds through it with no problems whatsoever. I'll keep an eye on it though, just in case it self-destructs..

Jim Watson
January 2, 2008, 06:38 PM
I recently got one, hooked by the rebate and free magazine deal. So far, the magazine catch has not fallen out, nor has it thrown empties at my head as many detractors say. If it fails on me, well, S&W has a good warranty program. Nothing mass produced is perfect.

Nitrogen
January 2, 2008, 06:41 PM
Like anything else in life, you hear about negatives more than positives. This goes for proven brands like Glock, HK, Sig, etc.

The M&P is a wonderful weapon. Give it a try.

Gary G23
January 2, 2008, 06:41 PM
I own four.
M&P-9
M&P-9c
M&P-45
M&P-357

Mine are flawless reliable. I think the issues mentioned were mainly when the gun first came out. If you get a Revision N or newer gun I think the chances of having problems would be pretty slim.

I believe the M&P is the best striker fired polymer framed gun on the market today. I have owned Glocks, XDs, Steyrs, and probably a few more I can't remember.

At the IDPA clubs I shoot at around here the M&P is getting very popular.

tydephan
January 2, 2008, 08:10 PM
Like Gary, I have also bought heavily into the M&P series.

I have:

M&P9
M&P9c
M&P40
M&P45

The 45 is my latest acquisition.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/tydephan/122707030.jpg

I've got the most rounds through the 9. It has not failed once and is truly a sweet shooter.

I also own Glocks, 1911s and Sigs. The M&P replaced the G19 as my daily carry, although I still carry my G19 as a truck gun.

I agree with Gary's claim that the M&P is the best striker-fired polymer on the market.

In all fairness, I did have a problem with my 9c. I didn't experience the same magazine release issue that others did, but it did revolve around the mag release. The release was binding badly and often the magazine would not lock into place. Rather embarrasing to be carrying concealed and have your magazine kerthunk on the floor at the local hardware store. :D

I called up Smith and Wesson and explained the issue. They emailed me a UPS overnight prepaid label. I boxed it up and sent it back with a letter expressing my disappointment.

10 days later the gun returned to me, fixed, and sporting a set of night sights that weren't previously there. Needless to say, I was very happy with the service I received.

In addition, I have been told that our local Sheriff's Department (Madison County, AL) has switched from the Beretta 92 (9mm) to the Smith and Wesson M&P in 9mm. I haven't verified that yet, but that's what I've been told.

Lots of good information over on the M&P forum (http://mp-pistol.com/boards/), including many of the problems that Sturm mentioned.

tideguyinva
January 2, 2008, 08:19 PM
i know in one of the pictures up there the slide cracked but it was after 17,000 rounds. as discussed on the m&p forums. I have had mine for a while now, i got about 1500 rounds thru it so far and it has been nothing but reliable.

Scorpiusdeus
January 2, 2008, 08:39 PM
I have had an M&P and sold it to help buddy get a Sig P226. I'm now buying the M&P back because I liked it so much. It was a tack driver and the vast majority of owners love them.

littlegator
January 2, 2008, 09:03 PM
My M&P 9 has run without a hitch for about 1000 rounds. The only issues I've had are rusting on the metal and brass hitting me in the head occasionally for the first couple hundred rounds. For some reason, this is not an issue anymore, as they fly right the way they are supposed to. The rust is not an issue as long as I wipe the gun down after I hold it. I have very acidic sweat though, so it's not really a surprise. I played trumpet up through college and my sweat would eat through brass and silver somethin' serious. The only other issue I can think of is that it has a difficult time ramping some hollow points when I first rack the slide, but not thereafter. The head catches on the ramp if I rack it lazily. Not a problem, just gotta be more firm. I don't know about the police force in Vegas using them yet. Most cops I know are using Glocks out here currently.

littlegator
January 2, 2008, 09:05 PM
Do we know what type round cracked the barrel on the example above? Do we know the percentage of +p or +p+ rounds were used out of 17,000 fired? Is it relevant to the location of that specific crack?

Hondov65
January 2, 2008, 09:16 PM
They are guaranteed for life. I love my FS .40 but I just can't carry it now because of the Blackhawk Serpa Holster issue, so I carry my G 22.

hollowpointt
January 2, 2008, 09:19 PM
I also have two the 9 and 45 versions. Not a huge amount of use, but enough to put the 40 and a compact 45 when it comes out on my buy list.

hollowpointt
January 2, 2008, 09:31 PM
Please visit m&p forum under the full size section a guy just finished shooting 10,000 rounds in 38 days.

The Lone Haranguer
January 2, 2008, 11:46 PM
I am not, nor have I ever been a LEO.

With that out of the way, I shot a full-size 9mm M&P as a rental, liked it very much and on the basis of this experience bought a compact 9mm. It has roughly 1000 rounds through it, all of them flawless.

leadcounsel
January 3, 2008, 12:56 AM
Shot my boss's new M&P .45 on the day he got it.

I generally like Glocks and CZs.

The M&P was a fairly average feeling pistol. Squishy trigger. Well balanced. Fairly accurate. Reliable as far as I could tell.

Overall it seemed like a pretty average pistol. I do like that you can customize it with the add on grips and the choice of an external safety.

But I'm biased and like Glocks and CZs like I mentioned.

sargespd
January 3, 2008, 04:34 AM
Carrying my issued M&P9 both on and off duty at the moment, and waiting for the bucks to buy a compact. Very impressed so far, time will tell if it is reliable or not, but Cincinnati and Columbus Ohio PD, both over 1000 officers, have issued M&P's as well.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s93/sargespd/Picture321.jpg

The Tac-grip has been removed, not practical for concealed carry.

Nitrogen
January 3, 2008, 08:39 PM
I carry 127 +p+ rounds in my M&P 9. I shoot my carry load about every 3-5 months, and have had no problem with it.

My one wish would be for S&W to make a single-stack M&P. That'd be my dream.

cornman
January 3, 2008, 09:40 PM
Best plastic gun ever made... Only glock cool aid drinkers say otherwise.

FieroCDSP
January 3, 2008, 10:32 PM
I think Sturmgehwer picked up the only three major issues to be found on the M&P forum at present. The locking-block failure is a fluke and it's the only one anyone there has ever seen on an M&P.
I've only heard of two slide fatigue failures related to the slide-stop, and as was pointed out, that was after many, many, many rounds.
The broken striker occurs occasionally, but I think it's been linked to dry-firing without snap-caps and disassembly without using the sear-deactivation lever (a la Glock).

The mag-drops come up occasionally still in the compacts, but not in the full-size. I've never had a mag-drop in my FS 40, and it's more than a year old now.

They really are great guns, and if you let three pictures that represent extremely rare failures disuade you, you're missing out. Check out the M&P forum (http://mp-pistol.com) and see for yourself the happiness that is M&P.

FunYet
January 3, 2008, 11:44 PM
I just hit the 1000 round count on my M&P 9mm compact this afternoon. So far it's been great. Very accurate. I've had only 1 FTE which I believe was due to the ammo. I still can't decide if my M&P or Glock 26 is "the one". I have about 2400 rounds through the Glock because I've had it longer. I like both of them. They're similar but different. I'll probably never be able to decide.

SouthpawShootr
January 3, 2008, 11:45 PM
The locking-block failure is a fluke and it's the only one anyone there has ever seen on an M&P.

There's a guy on Glocktalk who has just experienced his second locking block failure in his G36. Low round count and factory ammo. Locking blocks are super easy to replace on both Glocks and M&Ps, BTW. Not that I'm saying this is permissable, but S&W will fix these pronto.

I tend to dismiss single reports and only really pay attention if a dozen others immediately pop up and say "Hey, that happened to mine as well."

A moderator on these forums, IIRC, is an LEO whose dept issues this gun. He shoots his and seems to be happy with it. Maybe he'll stop in.

tydephan
January 4, 2008, 10:27 AM
A moderator on these forums, IIRC, is an LEO whose dept issues this gun. He shoots his and seems to be happy with it. Maybe he'll stop in.

Coronach (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=26) is the mod that you speak of. His department has been issued the M&P40.

He has a link in his signature that links to a thread regarding the reliability of his M&P, thus far.

sturmgewehr
January 4, 2008, 11:37 AM
Do check out their forum, this one in particular: http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=14.

I'm sure they are fine pistols, but the mag drop issue is FAR from occasional and there are new reports surfacing daily across the internet so the problem doesn't appear to be solved just yet. Many people have reported getting "improved" replacement mag catches only to have the magazine fall out again while firing not long after.

The reason I'm hanging in the M&P forum watching what's going on is because I want to get one of these pistols myself. I'm one of those guys that researches things very carefully before jumping into new technology or products. I've been stung too many times to take that blind leap of faith. :)

I can honestly say that most people I know who have them (not many) are happy with theirs, but then they rarely shoot them... it's just another handgun in a large collection.

rbernie
January 4, 2008, 01:04 PM
I have a number of their full sized 40S&Ws, an equal number of 9mms, and a compact 9mm.

Three of the 40S&Ws have in excess of a thousand rounds down the pipe, and the ONLY failures have been in feeding 180gr Ranier bullets. Other than that - flawless. No failures to extract, go boom, or eject, and the failure-to-feed issues were directly tracable to the Ranier bullet shape not being 100% compatible with the feed ramp.

My two range 9mms have at least 4000 rounds each thru them. Between them, they've had one (1) malfunction, when one of them decided it didn't like one round of Blazer 115gr (alloy case). They get shot at least 100 rounds per each, every week, and wiped down every couple of months.

I know that there are mag drop issues. I know that some folk have gotten the other end of the curve, and had some hard parts break. I have had neither.

I'm happy with the M&P line.

ETA - Coronach's M&P reliability thread is here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=281099).

-terry
January 4, 2008, 03:09 PM
Is the M&P a Smith import of the Walther P99?

tydephan
January 4, 2008, 03:16 PM
Is the M&P a Smith import of the Walther P99?

Nope. Completely different pistol.

SW99 (same as the P99)
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/tydephan/MSW990L_SW120223.jpg

M&P
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/tydephan/MP9.jpg

Tempusfugit77
January 4, 2008, 03:38 PM
I am very happy with my M&P 9. No problems at all. I am thinking about getting a M&P 45.

angry_platypus
January 4, 2008, 03:42 PM
I have an M&P9c I got in August that I've had no problems with. Little over 1500 rounds through it so far without a hitch. No mag drop issues, nothing has broken and it shoots better than I do (which, granted, isn't saying much at this point.)

Lucky Strike
January 4, 2008, 04:00 PM
When looking at striker fired polymer framed guns i narrowed it down to a Glock, XD and M&P.


After handling and shooting them all I ended up choosing the XD (which i'm very happy with).

M&P came a close second though. Seemed like a very nice gun.

Coronach
January 4, 2008, 04:26 PM
The S&W version of the Walther P99 is the SW99. IIRC, it is an exact copy, just rebadged. Not a bad gun. I don't like it for mostly personal preference reasons.

I like my M&Ps. However, I have not had much of a chance to shoot them of late, as evidenced by my flagging roundcount. You can read the thread in my sig for the full story, but the short version is this:

M&P fullsize: good to go.

M&P compact: jury is still out.

My PD has over 2000 of the fullsize .40s in service, and we've had a handful of problems with rusting (you should wipe it down, but some officers don't) and mag-drop issues that were almost all fixed by going to S&W's newest iteration of the mag catch.

Mike

nwilliams
January 5, 2008, 12:01 AM
Over 6K rounds through my M&P and the only problem I had was the mag release needed replaced when I got to about 500 rounds. It didn't really bother me, I sent it back and 10 days later it arrived back, didn't cost me a dime and since then hasn't been an issue.

Personally I love my M&P40! I'm not a big fan of the compacts, but then again I've never been a big fan of any compact auto.

S&W620
January 5, 2008, 02:36 AM
I had an M&P compact that was ok.

I have large hands and while the compact felt nice at the gunshop, shooting it was a totally different story. Even with the grip extenders, it just felt a bit small while shooting.

However, the compacts will disappear when CCWing if that's your thing and it fired every single time I pulled the trigger.

RobertFBurnett
January 5, 2008, 02:52 AM
Rumor (By rumor I mean local gun shop chatter, I've not actually seen anything in black and white.) has it that LAPD and/or LA Sheriff Dept. are finishing trials of M&P and getting ready to go ahead and issue em.

This being a M&P thread that I see also has some Sig owners on and I am really torn between the M&P and the Sig 226. I mean its coming down to the choosing the Sig due to it having a de-cocking button (that and the 226 is getting near legendary it seems), but is a de-cocking button worth $300+-?

ANY real world feedback you can all throw at me is always helpful.

Thanks,
RFB

P.S. This is primarily a range gun, as I am not LE.

rbernie
January 5, 2008, 12:39 PM
I have both P226s and M&Ps. I prefer the striker-fired trigger over the DA/SA or DAO triggers.

Having said that, I'm not rushing out to sell my Sigs. They've just become safe queens for the time being. :)

Coronach
January 5, 2008, 02:40 PM
Three of the 40S&Ws have in excess of a thousand rounds down the pipe, and the ONLY failures have been in feeding 180gr Ranier bullets. Other than that - flawless. No failures to extract, go boom, or eject, and the failure-to-feed issues were directly tracable to the Ranier bullet shape not being 100% compatible with the feed ramp.Query: Is the "ranier bullet profile" a "truncated cone" style? As in, instead of being a curved shape leading from the case to a flat nose, it is a flat cone leading to a flat nose? I ask because my guns just won't feed Fiocchi FMJTC (the TC being "truncated cone"), but will feed the almost-identical FMJFN ("flat nose").

Mike

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