[2dogs]

An interesting approach...........................



http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33759

Shoot-to-kill order for illegals?
Official outlines radical approach to Italy's asylum problem

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Posted: July 25, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

An Italian official has declared war on illegal immigrants, recommending shoot-to-kill orders for navy and coast guard vessels who come upon boats carrying asylum seekers.

Reforms Minister Umberto Bossi said he was sick of illegal immigrants and wanted to hear "the blast of cannons," reports the Corriere della Sera newspaper.

"After the second or third warning, bang ... we fire the cannon," Sky News quotes Bossi as telling the newspaper. "Otherwise, we're never going to put an end to this problem."

The senior minister in Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's coalition government proposed the radical new approach to tackle an exodus of illegals from north and central Africa. More than 1,000 immigrants have landed in southern Italy in recent days, bringing the total to nearly 3,000 so far this month.

Currently, the navy follows international practice by boarding boats at sea and escorting them back to port.

To underscore his determination to combat illegals, Bossi, who heads the right-wing Northern League party, threatened to pull his support for the coalition, if it failed to crack down.

Bossi was additionally unapologetic over criticism that the immigrants are often unarmed women and children.

"Whether they're good or bad, one way or the other illegal immigrants have got to be chased away," he said. "The navy and coastguard should defend our shores and use their cannons to do it.

[stevelyn]

The Sopranos take over immigration. :D

[Zeke Menuar]

"Whether they're good or bad, one way or the other illegal immigrants have got to be chased away," he said. "The navy and coastguard should defend our shores and use their cannons to do it."

Seems that someone in Italy has the right idea. We need to have that policy here. Get rid of that plaque on the Statue of Liberty (give us your tired, poor etc. HOGWASH!!!). Station troops on the border, BOTH borders, and use the Navy and Coast Guard to stop illegal entry. Shoot first and ask questions later. Seems drastic but illegal immigration costs the american taxpayer billions of dollars per year. If some terrorists decide to sneak accross the border to attack the US, the cost could be even higher.

I haven't even got to what this country needs to do about reducing and reforming legal immigration.

Rant Over

ZM

[Waitone]

Ain't nuthin' gonna happen until the ruling class starts paying the price for illegal immigration. I would like to think it would be related to taxpayers and former job holders convince politicians it is in their best interest to enforce the laws.

Most likely it will happen when a dirty bomb is placed in a sealed railway car in Mexico and not inspected until it makes it to chicago where a cell phone call is made. Presto chango, immigration problem will be addressed.

[rrader]

Most likely it will happen when a dirty bomb is placed in a sealed railway car in Mexico and not inspected until it makes it to chicago where a cell phone call is made. Presto chango, immigration problem will be addressed.

I disagree. Nothing will change untill the members of the ruling political classes themselves are directly targeted by foreign terrorist actions.

For example, you'd think that after the attacks on 9/11/01, some more stringent controls would be placed on, of all things, Saudi and other Arab males attending U.S. flight schools. Nope.

If that hijacked airliner which crashed in PA had instead made it to its intended target, the U.S. Capitol Building, and killed a bunch of the members of the ruling political class, THEN you'd have seen swift and sure action on immigration and border control.

[seeker_two]

Any way we can replace Ridge w/ these guys?...:evil:

[Standing Wolf]

I don't know enough about Italy's illegal alien situation to comment, but can think of an obvious solution to America's illegal alien problem: fine each employer $100,000 for each illegal alien on the pay roll. Since the states never tire of carping about their financial problems, and since we don't have a $28,000,000,000 Department of Homeland Defense, let the states do the investigating, arresting, and fine collecting.

[trooper]

Yeah, right. If someone crosses the border, shoot him on sight.

That's what the guys at the Berlin wall did. Except that they did it to their own people who tried to leave their country.

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here.


Trooper

[seeker_two]

And what would you suggest to dissuade illegal border crossing?

Harsh language?...

:rolleyes:

[longeyes]

There's only one humane solution: to defray the cost of this invasion
each American citizen gets two free weeks, all expenses paid, at
a Mexican beach resort every year.

But seriously...

That it should come to this, or anywhere near it, is on the heads
of the honchos in D.C. who are letting all this happen and become
a huge damn problem that bodes ill and ugly.

[trooper]

And what would you suggest to dissuade illegal border crossing?

Harsh language?...


Hmm, definitely an idea... ;)

Look, I'm Border Police myself and I've seen a bit of illegal immigration. The other shift just caught a Chechen family last night

I'm all for combating it, but we have to be careful with the means. From my point of view those people are more victims than anything else. They come from India, China, Pakistan, Kurdistan and so on and have been lured into emigrating to a "rich" country by criminal organisations.

They pay thousands of dollars to the traffickers (which are the real bad guys in this game) to be transported halfway around the world in containers and than sneak across the border under harsh and often dangerous conditions.

Sure, we need to catch and deport them back, but shooting them on the spot is nothing short of inhumane. It's not like they're violent criminals.

How do we then put an end to it? Simply spoken, we can't. There's a growing migration pressure and a huge demand for the services of above mentioned organisations. We catch them, send them back, catch them again and so on...

As long as we're rich and they're starving nothing won't change. And using lethal force as a means of deterring them would not stop it. Those people who ship across the Mediterranean Sea on wrecks are already risking their lives on a regular basis.

And frankly, no crime or threat to national security justifies shooting at unarmed women and children. If our society has to resort to this to ensure it's safety it has already lost the very basic principles on which it was founded.

Think about it. And then reread the thread from top to bottom.


Regards,

Trooper

[c_yeager]

I cannot believe that you all, the children of immigrants feel that we should enact this policy. Can i get a show of hands here from the "americans" who have been here for more than even 5 generations? Hypocrisy isnt even an adequate term to describe this nonsense.

[longeyes]

One thing is clear: the scope and nature of the kind of illegal
immigration we are experiencing here in the U.S. (and this is
equally true elsewhere) is going to test the boundaries of our
definition of "humanitarian." Quite a moral dilemma. What is "moral?"
What is "just?" And to whom?

I don't think too many people think we should mine the southern
border or set up machine-gun nests. On the other hand, to simply
absorb the amount of population that wants to come, with current
benefit and fiscal policies, is going to be tantamount to cultural
and economic suicide.

Personally I don't think it's at all wise to abrogate law and
sovereignty. Admitting some may be feasible. Trying to change
foreign regimes and stimulate economic policy in other countries
continues to be worth trying.

The bottom-line, though, is that of six and a half billion people
now on earth about two billion, at least, seem condemned to dire poverty.
To believe we are going to be able to elevate the standard of living
of that many people, in any reasonable time-frame (and there is some
urgency), without destroying our own, and, more importantly, the values
that sustain that standard of living, seems to me the wildest wishful
thinking.

[Justin]

My only concern with illegal immigration is limited to those who come to the US in order to leech off the welfare system. And for that, the solution to the problem is the same as the solution to the domestic welfare situation:
End welfare and social security. They were stupid, overblown boondoggles when FDR proposed them, and they're stupid, overblown boondoggles now.

If someone comes to the US looking for opportunity to better themselves by finding work, then I've got no quarrel with them. Seems to me that having such an overarching drive to succeed makes them more American, if only in spirit, than a lot of the people who were born here.

The idea of gunning people down for crossing some imaginary line strikes me as not only barbaric, but really stupid, too.

[longeyes]

Most of us on this board would agree that step one in dealing with
this problem would be to eliminate public benfits for illegal aliens.
But that was tried in California back in '94 with Prop. 187 and defeated
by a Federal judge. What prospects, realistically, are there for
curbing benefits and entitlements to illegal aliens in the present
political and social climate? Close to nada. And that leaves what then
as the solution? If anything, I see the problem becoming significantly
worse when Bush propses, as I expect, another amnesty--by that name
or something more euphemistic--before the '04 Election and proposes,
in the name of fairness and compassion, granting Social Security to
Mexican nationals who have worked in the U.S. illegally (including
giving them credit in our system for time worked in Mexico). As long
as both parties crave the Hispanic vote, the tensions will rise. We
have clearly let this issue go way, way too long without decisive
action. At this point there is a large quorum of people embedded in
the need to keep illegals here. Action to solve this problem are
widely called racism. It is hard to see how things can get better
without someone getting badly hurt.