Anyone concealed carry a CZ52?


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CZ 42
January 3, 2008, 12:05 AM
I just bought a red storm holster, wondering if it's a good idea for when I can carry.

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Halo is for Kids
January 3, 2008, 12:53 AM
I wouldn't carry it for a number of reasons...

#1 - Decocker is a second trigger.
#2 - Big and heavy.
#3 - Over penetration is an issue.
#4 - Firing pins and rollers have some issues.
#5 - There are better guns out there for carry (not many for $100 though).

Dr. Mudd
January 3, 2008, 01:48 AM
I had a CZ-52 for a few years. It fires an interesting cartridge, but it was the worst feeling, poorest handling pistol I ever had in my hand. I gave it away. I think the best use for that round is to fire it in a .30 caliber rifle using a chamber adapter from Ace up in Alaska.

Mojo-jo-jo
January 3, 2008, 02:02 AM
No.

My reasons are:

1. Overpenetration.
2. Worn de-cocker/safety will become second trigger. :eek:
3. Brittle firing pin prone to breakage.
4. Too big/heavy for capacity.
5. Single action only and not safe to carry "cocked and locked" (safety prone to malfunction).
6. Lack of acceptable carry ammo loads.

It's a really neat design, and loads of fun to shoot at the range. I can hit a stump at 75 yards with mine due to the flat trajectory of the round.

However, it's a very poor defensive round, a poor man-stopper with SEVERE overpenetration issues.

VirgilCaine
January 3, 2008, 07:36 AM
2. Worn de-cocker/safety will become second trigger.
3. Brittle firing pin prone to breakage.

Just pointing out that these issues can (and should be) fixed either way.

The lack of expanding ammo, on the other hand is, easily solvable with ammo like this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=360976&t=11082005

Pilot
January 3, 2008, 09:29 AM
I had a CZ-52 and while I thought it was interesting, I also didn't like the ergonomics so I sold it. I'm a huge CZ and Combloc gun fan, but I just didn't like the 52.

PTK
January 3, 2008, 09:44 AM
Yep! I carry my CZ52 chambered, cocked, and safety on sometimes. I made an OWB holster for it, and it conceals fairly easily under a button up shirt or slightly larger T shirt than I normally wear.

40SW
January 3, 2008, 12:02 PM
Overpenetration would be the number one reason for me not to carry it, same as with an FN57 (5.7x28) or anything chambered in .357SIG.

Bigdtc
January 3, 2008, 01:24 PM
I carry my '52 Daily. I carry it with an empty chamber AND the hammer cocked because it is easier to chamber the first round with it back. I carry it IWB on My right hip and it is comfortable there. I replaced the stock firing pin with an aftermarket hardened one. The decocker works fine because of the aftermarket pin.( Pin is from BCA-Services.com) I use Wolf hollow points in it and I'm not afraid of overpenetration. Practice,Practice,Practice shooting it and the ergonomics are overcome, if it is a problem.

nathan
January 3, 2008, 07:07 PM
I would only carry it in the car glovebox. The hip is a glock 23.

CZ 42
January 3, 2008, 07:37 PM
I'll probably end up using it for a while anyway, until I find an excuse to splurge on a CZP-01. It seems pretty flat, I thought that would be good. And of course it has bad ergonomics, it's 50s czech vintage.

wheelgunslinger
January 3, 2008, 07:48 PM
I wore mine OWB in a flap holster for a while.
There are a great many gangstas wearing kevlar these days.
You can do a lot worse than the 52 or the 5.7 FN, if these are your local thugs.

Nowadays, I'm surrounding by stratoyuppies, rednecks, and armchair ninjas. So, I just carry a wheelgun. I still like the 52, and am glad the 5.7 came to be.

Justin
January 3, 2008, 08:11 PM
The CZ52 is a fun blaster to take to the range.

It's a horrible choice for a carry weapon, for the above mentioned reasons. Additionally, I have had these guns dump the magazine floor plate, spring, follower, and any remaining ammunition when shooting a string. :uhoh:

Regarding the Wolf Hollowpoints not overpenetrating, Brassfetcher (http://www.brassfetcher.com/Wolf%2085gr%20Copper%20JHP.html) should disabuse you of that notion.

VirgilCaine
January 4, 2008, 12:35 AM
Re: Brassfetcher:

I would hazard a guess that the hollow point was filled with denim.

In any case, one instance of overpenetration using that round doesn't convince me it's a common problem with those hollowpoints.

DMK
January 4, 2008, 12:44 AM
I don't mind the round at all. I just can't stand the ergonomics and the sights of the CZ52. The only things the gun has going for it are the caliber and the fact that it's thin. And this is coming from a huge CZ fan.

silverlance
January 4, 2008, 01:06 AM
the 52 is a fantastic range gun that can hit things at ridiculous distances. but a carry gun ... i would probably prefer an feg pa-63 with good JHP in 9x18. the 52 is too bulky, too awkward, and really bangs the hand up good with prolonged fire.

that said, if i had a choice between it and a hi-point 9mm, and both were new and not my guns, id probably take the 52.

and by the way, the 52 will penetrate a kevlar helmet cleanly, whereas even a 44mag can't.

azhunter12
January 4, 2008, 01:25 AM
I don't cause I can't carry.

Elvishead
January 4, 2008, 01:39 AM
I would consider carrying it because it's so narrow. 1 in the chamber uncocked.

But I have other guns that are better, so I'll wait to qualify with it.

nalioth
January 4, 2008, 02:08 AM
I would consider carrying it because it's so narrow. So's a 1911 or a BHP.

Bob R
January 4, 2008, 02:16 AM
I don't carry one on my person, but, I have a nylon holster on the doghouse of my van just for a CZ52.

If I am going to have to use it while on the road, I want the ability to go through car doors and windshields.

bob

JohnKSa
January 4, 2008, 02:54 AM
I have on a couple of occasions. It's very thin, with a good holster (not easy to find) it conceals pretty well. But it's still heavy.

Chamber loaded, hammer down, safety off. I checked the firing pin safety to make sure it was working first.

biscuitninja
January 4, 2008, 03:06 AM
CZ-52 against my H&K USPc.... not much of a choice for a carry weapon. There are better choices even still. I have a pretty chromed CZ-52 and it is fun as snot to shoot up stuff. Not exactly a carry weapon though.
good luck
-bix

chris in va
January 4, 2008, 05:07 AM
Don't carry it. I had one, definitely not reliable OR safe.

Halo is for Kids
January 4, 2008, 09:59 AM
I would consider carrying it because it's so narrow. 1 in the chamber uncocked.

But I have other guns that are better, so I'll wait to qualify with it.

That would be a really fun gun to qualify with!

grimjaw
January 4, 2008, 11:12 AM
I don't, because just about any 4" .357 Magnum revolver loaded with 110gr Corbon is:

- generally more reliable, and definitely more versatile
- just as blazingly fast without worrying about blowing up the gun
- arguably not any harder to conceal

jm

ZeSpectre
January 4, 2008, 11:22 AM
I have a CZ52 and love it as a range gun. I've tinkered and tweaked to the point that I probably have one of the nicer triggers you'll ever find on one.

But the design is too old and unsafe for me to ever consider it as a carry weapon unless I had no other choice at all.

I will admit that I did carry it (open carry) a couple of times at gun shows where they make you "peace bond" the gun anyway so it was more for the principle of the thing as opposed to being actually useful.

Did have about a dozen folks ask me if it was for sale though <grin>.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/zespectre/2007_SD400_0090.jpg

makarovnik
January 4, 2008, 06:28 PM
I carry a TT-33 which uses the same round. Very high velocity. A CZ52 really isn't much bigger than a 1911A1. If the decocker works properly you should be able to carry a round in the chamber. One solution for the decocker is to install a stop so you can't push the safety all the way up to decock mode. Or is it down? I forget because I don't own one.

By the way... If you installed a new firing pin and and safety mechanism, would that fix the decocker problems that seem to plague so many CZ52's?

Bigdtc
January 4, 2008, 07:19 PM
makarovnik -Yes!

flyb0y
January 28, 2008, 08:52 AM
I'm glad to see this post! I will be having to make the choice to either carry mine in the near future (moved back home to help my father's recovery from an accident) if I am needed here long enough to have to change my residency (BOY do we need to fix the lack of a NATIONAL carry license :banghead:). I have used mine on several occasions, and strangely enough, this is the second most naturally pointing pistols I have owned yet! The #1 most naturally pointing pistol for me is the makarov, I shot it at the gun show where I bought it (first time EVER shooting a firearm) and thought I had somehow missed with the second shot because I printed the second one (both nicely between the eyes of the silhouette :cool:). In case your wondering, I have owned about 10 + pistols over the last 10 yrs, and I have tried just about every popular modern one in ranges. I started out a fan of 9mm, moved up to a Kimber .45, and since concentrated more on my hunting long guns & 12ga Mossburg, (I was living in Montana at the time, and trust me, way less dealings with the goblins there than here) I hadn't given much thought to CCW since Montana has so much more common sense gun laws than most states on the "Left Coast" :rolleyes:. So atm, I have only the '52 as an option (parents don't really understand why I would want a firearm in-case of a home invasion, so unfortunately the 12ga is locked up:banghead:). I have recently put a modern firing pin in my '52, and other than a loose safety selector, it has no problems. I had no problems de-cocking on a live round in the past, but since I haven't had a chance to test out the new pin, I keep it on empty, if I have to use my quick safe to access it anyway, it's really not taking that much more time to rack the slide too.

I have been very curious to know of any specific problems any of you have had (other than the ones already posted) I have been fortunate, my pistol looks ugly on the outside (some possible blood corrosion) but beautiful mechanically. Other than having to get used to the loud discharge, I have never found it anything but a joy to shoot. I will be using a belly band IWB holster if I end up staying long enough in the Peoples Republic of Portland Oregon (where only the gang-bangers most likely MS-13 seem to be carrying) and I am more worried about ordinary citizens trying to cause trouble for me simply for carrying legally :rolleyes:

I scored 2 "new in the goo" magazines at the last gun show for $45, and have never had a problem with the one that I have that is broken in, and from what information I have gathered, my particular CZ52 appears to be a "carry over", no import stamps, and looks like it had a thorough factory reconditioning.

I am also very interested in the .223 Timbs, have any of you tested some of this ammo out? I would LOVE to see some more first hand info about ballistic performance for this multi-purpose round, I would suspect at 2,000+ FPS this would be nearly a "pocket carbine" when some .223 rounds are near the 2300 FPS mark.

Sorry for the long-winded post :D. I've been home-bound with a severe sinus infection for the last couple mons, and have had nothing but time on my hands looking for more info on the .223 Timbs, but have yet to seen anything more than anecdotal. Would really love to see something along the lines of "The Box of Truth" testing for this round, if not a full-on test with ballistic gello. Currently I have Mag Safe rounds for the '52 since I am concerned more about going through too many walls since I can't have my 12ga inside. Have any of you used Mag Safe rounds as well? I am sure the PoI will be different, but if anyone has tried and can say it goes 2" low and left or something along these lines would be great! Love this site btw, I have been a part of other boards (mostly ultimate Subaru message board), don't know why it took me so long to look for boards on this subject! :D

Dayn

woad_yurt
January 30, 2008, 08:52 PM
1) Pinch the magazine bottom sides so it won't come off while shooting. If you don't, the bottom will probably work its way loose and the spring inside will bounce to who knows where. It did with me, twice.

2) Get a Harrington heavy duty firing pin & trigger kit. The original one will break sooner or later.

3) Make sure that the pin that holds in the slide catch is peened out enough to keep it flat on the frame. I replaced the pin with a tiny, grade 8 allen screw and locking cap nut.

4) If you have hard primer milsurp ammo, put a little washer or two under the hammer spring as a spacer so it hits a little harder.

Do these 4 things and it's a whole 'nother gun. If you like shiny things, look at mine.... :rolleyes:

PS: I'd like to sell the grips in the pic. Anyone?

flyb0y
January 31, 2008, 02:57 AM
Great tips, ty, but for some reason can't get the pic of your CZ to work .. :confused: I have a new modern firing pin, and soon I will have a barrel, rollers and new recoil spring, what spring would you recommend? Makarov.com says 16.5lb spring, another site recommends 18.5lb for their ammo, am I safe going 18.5lb or could that affect the reliablity when cycling the lower pressure military ball ammo?

woad_yurt
January 31, 2008, 08:10 AM
About the recoil spring:
Both of mine do just fine with the stock spring so I haven't bought any aftermarket ones.

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