General purpose rifle powder?


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TFin04
January 3, 2008, 05:34 PM
Okay folks, I appreciate the help so far with my reloading questions. I've been set up and reloading for 38spl and 9mm for a while now.

I am getting into reloading for my rifles now, and would like to purchase a 8lb jug of powder.

The rifle calibers I plan to reload are 223rem and 30-30 Winchester. I may eventually get into 308 or 30-06, but I don't even own guns that shoot that round at this time.

Is there a powder that is suitable for 223 and 30-30? I'll be buying online and paying the hazmat fee. I need to purchase this powder from somewhere that also offers primers for these calibers at a good price as well.

I don't have a lot to invest into a powder for each, and I'm trying to keep this is as simple as I can.

Cost is my main concern, with accuracy coming second. I've yet to find a handload of mine that wasn't at least as accurate as factory ammo, with the majority of them being more accurate than what I can find in the stores.

What is your advice?

Thanks!

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rcmodel
January 3, 2008, 05:40 PM
BLc/2, WW748, and Varget do a passable job in a lot of standard calibers.

WW748 is especially good in .223 & 30-30 with normal weight bullets.

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TFin04
January 3, 2008, 05:43 PM
Thanks rcmodel. Where would you recommend I purchase WW748 as well as a good lot of primers?

sublimaze41
January 3, 2008, 05:47 PM
Powder Valley. Great Prices, Great service.

Jim Watson
January 3, 2008, 05:48 PM
Powder Valley is the only place I have ever mailordered smokeless from.

Winchester primers are made a little hotter to ignite Ball powders and I would get them for Win 748.

rcmodel
January 3, 2008, 05:53 PM
In fact, some loading data calls for Magnum Primers with WW748, because it is a ball powder.

With that said, I load .223 & 30-30 with CCI standard primers and have been for about 30 years.
And I have never had a problem with ignition, or getting great accuracy.

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dmftoy1
January 3, 2008, 05:54 PM
I've had good luck with H335 in .223 and also in .308 .. just took a quick look at it for 30-30 and it appears that there are a decent number of loads for it there. (FWIW)

aka108
January 3, 2008, 06:00 PM
You might want to read some load tables and purchase one pound lots of several different powders before jumping in on a large container and find it not to your liking.

Grandpa Shooter
January 3, 2008, 06:03 PM
I recently did a search for one powder for .223, 30-30, .308 and 30.06. I started out searching through my books, and then went on line. I narrowed it down to H4895 or IMR4895. Then I went to a store where a number of my old shooting cronies work and one of them talked me into Varget. Since I just finished getting my equipment set back up I haven't loaded with the Varget yet but have heard really good reports from fellow shooters

Getting things like primers and powder on line is getting harder. Just getting primers anywhere is getting harder. Be patient and search and make that haz mat fee work for you.

TFin04
January 3, 2008, 06:13 PM
What do you guys think about these Berry's bullets for the 30-30?

They are cheap, but it says not to exceed 1700 fps with them. All the load data I can find has 30-30 at much higher velocities than that.

http://www.berrysmfg.com/386.php

38 Super Auto
January 3, 2008, 06:17 PM
Ditto on the WW748 - it is pretty close to general purpose rifle powder I think Powder valley is a good outfit.

Grandpa Shooter - I tried Varget a few years ago and it caused bridging in my Dillon powder measure. :banghead:

I ended up trading it away. I hope you have good luck with it.

rcmodel
January 3, 2008, 06:18 PM
I think the Berry bullets would be fine for reduced loads used for plinking.

I don't believe they would work too well for full power 30-30 loads though.

I'm loading them in 9mm & .380 with good success, although they do seem to demand a perfectly fitted seating stem. They deform very easily with the wrong seating stem.

BTW: They also caution against using a firm bullet crimp or jacket separation could leave a bore obstruction.

Since you will want a firm crimp in a tubular magazine 30-30, that might be a problem.

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TFin04
January 3, 2008, 07:01 PM
Odd they would make a bullet specific for the 30-30 with the conditions that caliber requires. I'm going to make a separate thread for it, hopefully it will get more exposure and somebody has tried it.

Urbana John
January 3, 2008, 07:12 PM
I like IMR 3031 for my rifle rounds, .223, and .308 also good with 30-30's, 8mm Mauser's and 30-06's

ocabj
January 3, 2008, 07:19 PM
As much as I love Varget, I think H4895 is more flexible. Works in both bolt and gas guns for a wide range of cartridges from .223 to .30-06 with a wide range of bullet weights.

Shawnee
January 3, 2008, 07:53 PM
I have used 3031 in 30/30s and had great results in a Remington 788 and pretty good results in several different Marlin 336s. Never got around to trying 748 for it though.

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hawkeye1
January 7, 2008, 09:16 AM
I have had good results with H335 and H4895 in both the 30-30 and the 223. In fact I have some great results with 4895 in the 223.

Recently I have gone to Hodgdon Benchmark for the 223 with light bullets. It is showing some great results.

As for the 308 and the 30-06 I use the H4350 more than any other. They work great. I used to use the IMR 4350 but read where the H4350 (and other H powders for that matter) were much less temperature sensitive. It may be over 100 degrees in the summer and well below freezing during deer season. They say the Hodgdon powders will stay more consistent.

Good shooting

K3
January 7, 2008, 09:56 AM
I've had good results with IMR 4895 in a wide range of cartridges. I use it for .30-30, .223 varmint rounds, and behind 180gr .30 cal bullets from Sierra Gamekings to Hornady SSTs. Good groups with all.

John4me05
January 7, 2008, 10:07 AM
I use Varget for both my 30-06 and 223... They are the only 2 rifles i am reloading right now but its great to have both guns on the same powder..

K3
January 7, 2008, 10:26 AM
I like Varget too. I actually had some nice results in a .45-70 I loaded for a buddy using 405gr jacketed bullets.

KI.W.
January 7, 2008, 12:07 PM
Thanks guys. Nobody was not telling something aboat VihtaVuori N-133. It is the most best powder for .223 Rem and 30-30 calipers in the whole world. We here in Finland need it to much. It is hard to find it. ;):uhoh :uhoh: :rolleyes:

ADKWOODSMAN
January 7, 2008, 03:40 PM
I'll second IMR4895 and WW748. I've never used Varget. I'll have to give it a try. Half the fun of reloading is trying something new.

John4me05
January 7, 2008, 05:50 PM
Varget does tend to lead to the sticking thrower referred to earlier.. A couple of sticks will be sheared off here and there.. But it produced the best groups in my .223 out of RL7, H4895, and 1 other i used for testing along with the Varget.. Best group out of the other 3 was a little over 3/4 at 100 and the Varget punched a group just under 1/2 at 100... 5 shot groups..

TFin04
January 13, 2008, 09:00 PM
Okay fella's, thanks for the info. I'm placing an order for primers, powder and bullets with powder valley this week. I've decided to go with H4895 for my powder.

Looks like I can cook up 223 for less than $.15 per round (free brass). It could be even lower but I'm only buying bullets and primers in 1000 lots to start off with. I'm holding off on 30-30 for now, at least I'll have some powder on hand when I decide to get the other components.

I'm going with 55gr FMJ bullets to shoot in my Savage 10FP bolt gun and my Bushy AR (Both 1in9 twist). I'm looking forward to finding a good load for the AR and cranking out a bunch of rounds, and also fine tuning a load for my Savage to take prairie dog hunting in the spring. I figure I'll do about 300 rounds tuned for the savage and the remaining 700 for my AR.

Thanks again!

John4me05
January 13, 2008, 09:21 PM
If you rememebr how much each is off hand ill give you a total...
Break it down like this..

Bullets XXXX rounds at $XXX
Powder XXX pounds at $XXX
Primers XXXX primers at $XXX
wont take but a minute to give you the cost per box of 20

John4me05
January 13, 2008, 09:24 PM
Mine is 5.87 per 20

xsquidgator
January 13, 2008, 09:35 PM
It may not be the best possible, but I think BL-C(2) is a good one. I use it for .223, 7.62x39, and 7.62x54R.

I tried using it with 8mm Mauser and had some problems with standard LR primers not having 'enough fire' to light off BL-C(2). For now I'm using IMR4198 or IMR4064 for my 8mm Mauser, all the other rifle loads use BL-C(2). BL-C(2) meters exceptionally well in my Lee perfect powder measure, at least as well as W231 does for me.

TFin04
January 13, 2008, 09:36 PM
With the hazmat fee (I didn't include shipping, which will make a little bit of a difference), I'm at 15.5 cents a round.

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