[Firepower!]

Best Defense/Assualt Shotgun?

My vote goes for USAS-12.

[jonboynumba1]

good lordy....you left the Remington 870 off! The best deffensive shotgun made is not ON the list -LOL (No Ithaca 37 either!)

I find it amazing that the USAS-12 discontinued win 1300 and Saiga's import oddity are there and no homegrown bread and butter 870!....has anyone here actually fired a USAS-12 or ran it it extensively to make a call like that? :rolleyes: I'm sure it's an ultra fun toy but I think I'd stick with my humble 870 in a real deffensive situation.

I like my intergalactic space-federation issued ray gun better myself! :neener:

[madcratebuilder]

You left the best one off....no 870????

[jamz]

What if you don't like to pump?

[Smitty in CT]

Mossberg 930SPX.....

[jamz]

^^ you, I've been reading your posts all over the internet about that gun. No one has it around here, though. I keep checking in with Dick's though.

[RandyB]

As mentioned the Rem 870 and the Ithaca 37.

[nathan]

How come no Remy 870?

[P95loser]

'nother vote for the not-listed 870

[mpmarty]

Pumps and lever actions do not qualify as "home defense" weapons. What if you lose the use of one arm? What if you want to "shoot around a barricade"?
Saiga 12 numero uno. Reliable, hi capacity and can be had with a folding stock.

[wakerider017]

What happened to the 870?

Pumps and lever actions do not qualify as "home defense" weapons. What if you lose the use of one arm? What if you want to "shoot around a barricade"?
Saiga 12 numero uno. Reliable, hi capacity and can be had with a folding stock.

Pumps most certainly do qualify as HD weapons.

[mossberg]

Auto loaders don't qualify as HD weapons, what if it Jams?:rolleyes:

[Lucky Strike]

lordy, lordy....i guess the 870 i just bought for HD is gonna have to be sold off now.

[Rshooter]

No better weapon than the 870, carried it in the USMC. Pump weapons do not qualify as "home defense" weapons. I guess that we need to inform the military that they do not qualify as combat weapons too. Come on and get smart, sometimes simple is better, especially when under stress and in the dark.:banghead:

[VTKFJoe]

One more for the 870

[Smitty in CT]

Auto loaders don't qualify as HD weapons, what if it Jams?

You'd cycle it manually, like you would a bolt-action rifle.

What happens in a stressful situation when you short-stoke a pump?? With a Mossberg, not a huge deal, just cycle it again....do it with an 870, and you've just turned your shotgun into a club, while still usefull, it's just not quite as effective....

Modern, well maintained autoloaders, shooting the correct ammo don't jam for no reason...

[ArchAngelCD]

I'll have to go against the grain and vote for the not listed Mossberg 500!!

[Blubacon50]

I'm with Smitty. Mossberg 930SPX.

Blubacon50

[onemsumba]

870 is arguably the best shotgun ever made.

[revolverman357]

My vote: Remington 870

[Six O'clock Tactical]

If you could even get one, Id have to say the Spaz 12. But, since its not on the list, I just wont vote!:neener:

[sinistr]

i have never fired a usas 12,but i handled one when they were over the counter(pre '94).it is basicly an ar-15 in 12ga.,it was big, heaaavey,and unwieldy.the plastic that comprised the drum and furniture did not inspire confidence.franchi made a clip fed pump /semi,a few got by before the import ban.as far as "assult shotgun",id go with saiga.for defense i would go with something with a long record: mossy,benelli,remy,etc.preferably semi-auto....im a lazy,lazy man:p btw, if anyone has owned a usas or the franci please post,i would like to hear your opinion on them.

[Bazooka Joe71]

Chalk another 870 up for me too.

[Zundfolge]

You forgot the Pancor Jackhammer. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer) :evil:

[PumpAction]

+1 for the Remington 870.

Pumps and lever actions do not qualify as "home defense" weapons.

Should we forget about using revolvers too?

Even if a Remington 870 did jam on me (unlikely since I've never had this happen after putting 1000's of rounds through mine), I still have a single shot weapon before the potential malfunction.

[sm]

Not one.

While some designs are proven such as Win 97, Model 12, Ithaca 37 , 870...

The Reality is NO Tool is ever better than the user of said tool.

Fact is, again proven by history, is the Person with a Single Shot Shotgun had the most effective tool to defend in a defensive situation because they knew that single shot like a body part...

Unlike the aggressor, with the newer firearm , that repeated, held more rounds and Marketing "said" this firearm was the best defensive firearm to be had.


One cannot buy skill and Targets.
Software - not hardware.

[jamz]

Truth. Except you can buy targets, I see them for sale all the time. ;)

[Chilean]

Saiga 12

[jad0110]

Tons of good ones. Too many to narrow down to just one "best". Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge vs Toyota vs ...

I really like my new Mossie 590. Works for me, so that's what I voted. Though I would have picked "all of the above" if that had been an option :cool:.

[October]

What happens in a stressful situation when you short-stoke a pump?? With a Mossberg, not a huge deal, just cycle it again....do it with an 870, and you've just turned your shotgun into a club, while still usefull, it's just not quite as effective....

Could you elaborate on this? What is it about a Mossberg that allows you to cycle a short-stroke without dire consequences, but not an 870?

[mseiferth]

Saiga 12 gets my vote.

[VirgilCaine]

Tons of good ones. Too many to narrow down to just one "best". Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge vs Toyota vs ...

Personally, I can exclude a lot of them.

For example, the Saiga 12 gauge has, IMO, the following advantages over most of the other choices.
--Takes detachable magazines of varying sizes and good availability. This puts it ahead of the tube-mag automatics, and the USAS ().
--Affordable. Excepting perhaps the Vepr and the Mossberg, the others are more expensive, sometimes much more so.
--Reliable. Kalashnikov action.

But that's just me.

[Smitty in CT]

Could you elaborate on this? What is it about a Mossberg that allows you to cycle a short-stroke without dire consequences, but not an 870?
It is because of the design of the carrier/elevator of the Remington vs. the Mossberg. With the action closed, the Remington carrier/elevator remains in the DOWN position, the Mossberg remains in the UP position, with the action closed.

If you "short stroke" a Remington it is possible to have a live shell release from the magazine and get jammed between the closed bolt and the carrier. This jams up the action until you can get the round out of the way. To clear the malfunction, you need to use a knife or something to slide the shell back into the magazine.

On the Mossberg if you "short-stroke" you end up with a live round on the ground, you just need to hit the action release and cycle the gun and you'd be ready to go...

I have a 20GA Remington 870 Wingmaster and a Mossberg 535, I have only short stroked the Remington a few times, mostly trying to get a "double" on the clays course. The Mossberg 535 gets short stroked ALL the time, something about that extra 1/2" of travel that screws me up...

Either of the above scenarios are why I recommend a dependable semi-auto for high stress / HD situations, not to mention the recoil reduction benefits.

[CWL]

What? No Franchi SPAS-12?

I guess they haven't appeared in any new video games recently...used to be the top choice shotgun for the button-masher crowds.

[66912]

Ithaca DSPS and/or Remy 870.

[Fast Frank]

Smitty is on to it. The autos are easier to use, and easier to hit with.

Most folks don't seem to be aware of this one.

It's not found in the normal places, you have to go to Remington's "LE" website to see it. http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/1187.htm

This is a Remington 11-87P. It comes with the extended magazine, ghost ring sights, and a couple of other "Combat" extras.

It's been super reliable for me, and the gas action makes it really easy to go ahead and take that second or third shot if you want to.

I think it should be considered when we talk about the best HD shotgun.

I was going to post a pic of mine... but for some reason I can't get into photobucket. I'll edit one in later.

[Geno]

Remington 870 Tactical

[HOLY DIVER]

boy the question will plauge man kind for years to come
i use a parder pump for h/d
allong with a snub-nose 45 longcolt
allso keep a smith detective special .38 for the wife
do i have all the bases covered?

[jahwarrior]

what?!?! no mossberg 500????

[Don Carter]

Wish you'd included my Ithica Model 37 with the Deersalyer barrel on it.

[Fast Frank]

Sorry, here's the pics of the 11-87P

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/FastFrank4x4/oddball/1187p3.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/FastFrank4x4/oddball/1187p4.jpg

It's got everything you could possibly want in a HD shotgun.

It's been 100 percent reliable, it's easy to shoot, recoil is quite a bit less than a pump gun.

You just don't know what awesome is until you learn how to double tap with buckshot.

BAMBAM!!!

I can usually get the two patterns to overlap. Devastating! I think Mr. T said it best... "I pity the fool".

[Firepower!]

How many of you have actually used USAS-12 of have seen it fire?

I wonder after that any other shotgun other than AA12 is out of the question. Please correct me if I am missing something here.

If not check it out on the www.youtube.com

[Commander Guineapig]

good lordy....you left the Remington 870 off! The best deffensive shotgun made is not ON the list -LOL (No Ithaca 37 either!)

+1, I'm with him.
Remmy 870, pistol grip...mah pers'nal fav'rit.
GP

[Brian Dale]

Bone stock 870, or 37, or 590, or Mod 12, 1897, 11, 11-48, 1100, SX1...just use the one that you've practiced with the most.

Short stroke? That's why the gentlemen tell you to "Pump it like you mean to break it."It's got everything you could possibly want in a HD shotgun.A stock that fits me, and a lot of ammo?

Cool.

[ZombiesAhead]

The Remington 870 should definately by on this list. Also, it comes down to preference between semi-auto and pump. For me, a pump 500/590 is the best choice (I use a 590, 20", 8+1 shot mag, bead sight). I've handled 870's although I can't say I have ever shot one but I do LOVE the top-center-mounted safety on the Mossberg 500/590.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Shotgun_Mossberg_590.jpg

I'm not sure what the big deal is about recoil. I'm a pretty big guy but I've never found the small reduction in recoil a reason to go to a semi; and I prefer the ultimate reliability of a pump over a semi.

Furthermore, a single hit from a 12ga buckshot/slug is going to stop any BG and you need to practice if you can't hit a torso with a long-gun at any possible distance inside of a house.

The real debate for me is full stock vs pistol grip. I choose a full stock because I can't hit much with a pistol grip, but I do see how a pistol grip could make for significantly better maneuverability/concealment/cover inside a house. I'm considering a folding stock for my 590 but haven't yet found anything that really grabs me.

[Dave McCracken]

GOOD GRIEF!!

Every shotgun on this thread will do the job if We're up to it.

Any shotgun we've put a couple thousand rounds through since Crispin's day is a weapon of tremendous utility and effect.

Some of us need to spend more time at the range and less debating Ford/Chevy/Dodge.

What part of BA/UU/R are you having trouble with?.....

[kimberfan]

mossberg 930spx.

[RonE]

What about the Winchester Mod 21 with the barrels cut to 18"?

[BENELLIMONTE]

Browning 3 1/2" BPS!

[SWM19]

I'd have to agree with the guys who've mentioned the 870. For me, the sound of a pump action shotgun can be enough deterrent 9 out of 10 times, and if I can get out of a high pressure situation without actually having to discharge the weapon then I'm better off.

Plus, I've fired countless boxes of shells through this gun, and it feels as comfortable in my hands and on my shoulder as the Savage 410 I had when I was 10 years old.

[41magsnub]

This thread is useless, it is just everyone sounding off on their favorite shotgun. The list in the poll is woefully inadequate.

let me try..

I own an 870 so it must be the best right?

the best defense/"assualt" shotgun is the one you are best at shooting!

[Cannonball888]

Saiga 12 can fire on target in succession the fastest due to it's low recoil action. I'll be receiving my custom conversion next month.

[Gixerman1000]

Benelli M4 :D

You really have to try one to understand why, I love my M4.

[Bazooka Joe71]

Benelli M4 :D

You really have to try one to understand why, I love my M4.

Thats because you don't have enough guns (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=254222&page=2) to compare it to.:p:D

I would have one if I first, had $1,300 to spend on a tactical shotgun and second, wasn't a college kid who spends his money on stuff that might get banned(ie. ebr's).

[KBintheSLC]

good lordy....you left the Remington 870 off! The best deffensive shotgun made is not ON the list

I did not vote because of this... but then again I own one so I am biased.

[Browning]

Add yet another vote for the Rem 870.

I didn't vote on the poll either.

[Enron Exec]

Fast Frank, i think i have a new sig thanks to you. :)

You just don't know what awesome is until you learn how to double tap with buckshot.

rofl!! And i see your a H-towner too.

[Youngster]

There are a any number of good shotguns {I probably owe my life to my 870} but I'd find it hard to argue against the mag fed Kalashnikov actioned Saiga or Vepr 12 if I had to go to war with a shotgun.

[Fast Frank]

Fast Frank, i think i have a new sig thanks to you.


Wear it with pride!:D

[jmr40]

Someone earlier noted that a pump could not be operated with one hand if injured. This is why they prefered an auto. I have used several autos and all would malfunction if not held firmly against the shoulder. This could also cause problems if injured and unable to hold the gun correctly. I like both autos and pumps. Just have to understand each ones strengths and weaknesses.

[Guyon]

870. :)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6938&d=1066910236

[Firepower!]

USAS-12 you cant beat it unless you dont like select fire.

[CZguy]

Just to be different, how about a S&W model 3000.

Actually I would be comfortable with any good pump.

Remington 870
S&W 3000
Mossberg 3000
Mossberg 500
Ithaca 37

[Smitty in CT]

...I have used several autos and all would malfunction if not held firmly against the shoulder. This could also cause problems if injured and unable to hold the gun correctly....

That is the way that inertia operated guns work (Benelli M1,2,&3, SBE, Stoeger, Franchi, etc.) Gas operated guns don't have that constraint (Mossberg 930SPX, Rem 1100/11-87, Benelli M4, Win / FN, etc).

You are correct, though, the most important thing is to understand and know your weapon inside and out because at the end of the day, the most powerful weapon you have is between you ears.....well, in most cases:D

[Mat, not doormat]

You left off every shotgun I own. I own plenty, so it's not that I don't buy the ones on the list for lack of funding. I just happen to like other guns better.

How about the Stoeger coach gun? As long as I've got a belt full of shells, you don't want to come down a hallway against it. But, since loading a double barrel quickly requires practice, dexterity and more range of movement than you might have, we'll proceed.

How about a Winchester 1897? Some of JMB's finest work. '97s make for really compact little units, since the action is about half the length of a modern pump's. And, if your trigger finger gets paralyzed, you don't have to let go. Just hold 'er down, and start shuckin'.

What about a Remington Model 11? Any shotgun that contains a spring large enough that it could be used to repair a truck's suspension in a pinch has got to be good, right?

Or an 1100? Why's it got to be the 87? Either one will work, i suppose, but they're a bit tricky to load, like most remingtons. Have to get that little bitty carrier release button every time you stuff a shell. EZ-Loaders are nice that way, though.

As for not being able to run a pump one handed, it's easy. Just hold the gun vertically, give it a slight upward toss, and quickchange your grip from wrist to forearm. Jerk up and down, so the gun's weight causes it to cycle.

[Firepower!]

I wonder how many of you have experience with select fire shotgun?

[CZguy]

I wonder how many of you have experience with select fire shotgun?

:confused::confused:

I've never even heard of one.

[Firepower!]

CZguy: I have one by Daewoo USAS-12. I am sure you can find info on it from the web. When you fire it, it is like five AKs going off a one time. Breaks anything between you and the target. Imagine steel shots burst fired.

[LeonCarr]

One problem with the USAS-12 is finding spare parts for it in Pakistan.

Mr. Firepower!, thank you for your help in the war on terror.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[Firepower!]

LeonCarr: You are welcome, but we are not done yet. We just cleared out Swat valley from the insurgents. To my surprise I found 90% non-Pakistanis, arabs, chechnyians, and uzbeks. We in PK are sick of these terrorists. We have bombings every other days and inocent people are dying not to mention Ms. Bhutto former prime minister died in an attack recently.

I along with my group are fired upon every day. The day you stop getting posts from me on this forum- assume I have passed.

ON USAS-12 parts. It is a VERY tough weapon. I caters to our needs when we are ambushed at night. We dont have night visions. US refused to give us. So we have to rely on heavy fire power.

ANd if USAS-12 breaks down then we just get a new one, but so far that has not happened.

[1KPerDay]

After recently handling a Benelli M3... that gets my vote. *drool*

[TheFringe]

The FN SLP (18-inch) and FN SLP Mark 1 (22-inch version which I recently purchased) semi-autos should also be included for consideration as they can be cycled even faster than the Benelli M4. Recoil is very manageable and comparable to the M4 and Saiga 12 conversion. As a novice collector I also own and love both of those ! Price of the SLP is half the price of the M4. The SLP Mark 1 22-inch has a total capacity of 10 shells (8+1+1) and is currently my primary HD weapon.

[Firepower!]

USAS-12 has capacity of 20, and it select fires as well. Can you beat that?

[RNB65]

The one you left off.

[Scorpiusdeus]

Remington 870!!!

[TheFringe]

USAS-12 has capacity of 20, and it select fires as well. Can you beat that?

Nope. I live in non-NFA Washington State.
A 20 round drum for my Saiga 12 will be shipping in a month or so however !

[Firepower!]

41magsnub why dont you try and put a better list for poll?

[CZguy]

41magsnub why dont you try and put a better list for poll?

+ 1

[357wheelgunner]

Hammer double

[Shawnee]

Remington 1100 20ga.

:cool:

[41magsnub]

41magsnub why dont you try and put a better list for poll?

Why? The whole thing is pointless. My point (along with a bunch of other folks on here) is the best assault shotgun is the one that the person in question can handle correctly.

Edited for high roadiness

[Firepower!]

In that case a cane might be the best weapon at the time of need...hey why have guns and the modifications, and the new add on in them??

[RustyShackelford]

For shame, :cuss:.

The 870 is well used by many US law enforcement agencies.
The Browning 12ga BPS is a well made shotgun too.

www.remington.com
www.browning.com

Rusty
PS: I have no shotguns, yet :D.

[rocinante]

another vote for saiga 12. I call it my AK on steroids. Simple, rugged, dependable, quick to reload and fast as hell to fire. Nothing else "real world" on that list to compare it too. I tend to agree with the pump fans their favorites should be on the list too.

[9mmepiphany]

if you think the saiga 12 is fast, you should try the saiga 20...same action just more controlable

i got a FN SLP just before the end of the year and a Mk-1 is coming this month...as fast a s the benelli and less recoil to contend with

[ImARugerFan]

870 wins this useless poll.

[3pairs12]

+1 for the 870 here

[CZguy]

870 wins this useless poll.

:what: Would you care to rephrase that.

This is the high road. (not the low road) :cool:

[Firepower!]

USAS-12 is far better than 870. Does 870 semi fire select? Does it take 20 cartridges?

[ExSoldier]

"Pumps and lever actions do not qualify as "home defense" weapons. What if you lose the use of one arm?"

I guess you never saw Terminator 2, Huh? Hollywood BS aside, that was a fine example of single handed manipulation of a pump action I've ever seen. Suppose your HD weapon is grampy's old SA Peacemaker in 45 Colt? How are you going to reload that single handed? If that's all you've got you figure out a way and then TRAIN for the solution to become second nature.

Having said all that I'd NEVER have a pump as a HD weapon. Extreme stress in a hostile situation can lead to a "short stroke" double feed which will be nearly impossible to quickly clear.

The USMC just switched from their 870 pumps to the Benelli M4. I love my Benelli and it's never failed me. I hope to get a collapsible stock M4 version someday. But they're hard to find at even a top end reasonable cost for the HUGE military contracts that have recently been placed.

[CZguy]

Having said all that I'd NEVER have a pump as a HD weapon. Extreme stress in a hostile situation can lead to a "short stroke" double feed which will be nearly impossible to quickly clear.

Unless you train yourself not to. ;)

[beemerphile]

870 again (voted for 1300)

[Firepower!]

Pump for HD is useless....there are however possibility of scenarios where pump action is not desirable. Semi or select is the way to go. Rest, there are many different pump actions and different folks have different preferences. If we are talking just pump action then the poll should be on that but this is for general HD and pump although can be a choice but hardly competitive with semi or select.

[Rob96]

The USMC just switched from their 870 pumps to the Benelli M4. I love my Benelli and it's never failed me. I hope to get a collapsible stock M4 version someday. But they're hard to find at even a top end reasonable cost for the HUGE military contracts that have recently been placed.


From what I have heard this limited to MP units. The rest of the Corps for the most part are using Mossy 500SP's and 590's.

[vallen]

870 for me.
Not sure about the "what if you had one arm" scenario- then that opens billions of other "what If's" in a HD situation.
You could pick ANY gun and find some sort of issue depending on the situation (maneuverability in close quarters, over-penetration, shot placement, distance, trigger pull, follow-up shots)

[Eightball]

I'm questioning the wisdom of asking about an "assault" shotgun. I intend for my firearms to be purchased for law-abiding reasons, not to go "assault" someone. If I was in a SWAT team, or a mercenary or somesuch, sure, but....eh well.

And before someone thinks it, no, I know about the "assault weapon" crap, and that's not what I'm getting at.

[jdomin]

get a norico 97

[jpwilly]

No better weapon than the 870, carried it in the USMC. Pump weapons do not qualify as "home defense" weapons. I guess that we need to inform the military that they do not qualify as combat weapons too. Come on and get smart, sometimes simple is better, especially when under stress and in the dark.

AMEN! A Mossy 500 or 590 please otherwise an 870 all the way.

[marksman13]

Firepower, it souonds like you had your mind made up when you started this poll. If you like the USAS 12 so much, then use it. You won't convince me that you are any more effective with you USAS 12 then I am with my Mossberg 500, Remmington 870 or Winchester 1300. Select fire is not the only action suitable for a fighting shotgun. You wanna try to use some "less-lethal" rounds in that USAS 12? Tell me how that works out for ya.

I voted for the Mossberg 590. Hard to beat its reliability and ruggedness. I carried a Mossy 500 in Iraq and never had any problems. Did the job quite well actually.

[riverdog]

Firepower!: Pump for HD is useless....there are however possibility of scenarios where pump action is not desirable. Semi or select is the way to go. Rest, there are many different pump actions and different folks have different preferences. If we are talking just pump action then the poll should be on that but this is for general HD and pump although can be a choice but hardly competitive with semi or select.Spoken like someone who has never used a pump or seen an auto fail to cycle.

[Smitty in CT]

Spoken like someone who has never used a pump or seen an auto fail to cycle

I have both pumps and autoloaders.

I pefer autoloaders, I have a question, riverdog, have you ever had an autoloader fail to cycle?? To clear, all you do is pull the the bolt handle back and let go....

I've had an 870 jam to the point of not being able to function (granted, I "short-stroked" it, so it was my own fault).

I've never had an autoloader malfunction to the point of failure. I've had an 11-87 shred an o-ring and you could still manually cycle it....

[9mmepiphany]

i've seen many more pumps fail than autoloaders...it's not the gun, it's the operator's training.

this sounds much like the old argument between the wheelgun and the semi-auto pistol. so...how many pump-guys would take a 8-shot wheelgun over a single stack auto?

[Firepower!]

Marksman12: I have Moss 590 A1 Compact Cruiser. Where I live we do not use less than lethal cartirdges. I am just not convince that pump is more effective than a semi or auto. As for riverdog, I think I have seen and used my share of pump action shotguns - however, you are well entitled to your opinion. Your idea of auto fail to cycle is not relevant, because if it was we would not be using AKs or M16s, but bolt actions!

[Howaido]

870. Simple is good.

I have a specops on mine, so recoil is on par with an auto. It also allows my wife to shoot it recreationally (she is not a gun person, but has worked the 870 enough to know how to use it if need be-that would not have happened w/o the specops.)

[steve11311]

I am wanting a fast cycling (and reliable) tactical auto for 3-gun matches and I am leaning towards the Mossberg 930 SPX. My question is, can the 18.5" barrel be machined for choke tubes? Is there an advantage for having choke tubes in an 18.5" barrel? The steel targets at the some 3-gun matches are at varying distances and some are at 30+ yds, and the ammo requirement has maximum shot size of #6 lead. Any thoughts or experiences?
Thanks
Steve
steve11311@earthlink.net

[Smitty in CT]

Steve,

The 930SPX comes with a CYL bore barrel, buckshot would be effective to about 30-35 yards, slugs are good much farther. Having a gun that you can change the choke tubes is an advantage, especially if you're are competing at longer ranges.

There is plenty of "meat" on the barrel of the SPX to have chokes installed, most gunsmiths will charge between $35 - $50 for the ream and tap, then you;ll have to buy chokes.

[Erik]

I'm not sure which is best, am another person surprised that the 870 wasn't included, and agree with DM that it is the shooter, not the shotgun that's the deciding factor.

[Yehen]

870 for me too. Simple and it goes bang. Maybe put a couple mods on it like a light 'n such....

[bkjeffrey]

-anywhere in this whole thread. I own a mossberg 9200. Fired THOUSANDS of rounds out of this weapon, from cheap lowbrass birdshot to 1 oz slugs. Ive had only a couple jams out of this weapon. Ive had more problems with my 870 and 500 pumps. This mossberg costs less than $250. I added the Knoxx stock, cut the barrel, moved the rifle sight, added mag tube, added the picatinny rail for a vertical grip and surefire and then I finished it in none other than "ultimate tacticool OD green".
For under $400 does it get any more HD/assault than this??????
heres some pics of me and my hd gun.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff117/bkjeffrey/meandthe9200.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff117/bkjeffrey/Picture032.jpg

[Gixerman1000]

The USMC just switched from their 870 pumps to the Benelli M4. I love my Benelli and it's never failed me. I hope to get a collapsible stock M4 version someday. But they're hard to find at even a top end reasonable cost for the HUGE military contracts that have recently been placed.

From what I have heard this limited to MP units. The rest of the Corps for the most part are using Mossy 500SP's and 590's.

Marine MP units may be the first to receive them along with the updated training but the Benelli M4 / M1014 was adopted for the new roll of “Joint Service Combat Shotgun” (JSCS), it is going to eventually replace / faze out all other shotguns in use and become the standard combat shotgun for all branches of US Armed Forces.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a70/Gixer1000/Mis/M1014JSCS.jpg

[Phelptwan]

Remington 870

[IronSightRot671]

My choices would be the following:

Moss 500A , Saiga-12





ISR

[huduguru]

Franchi Law-12, "Take The Law Into You Own Hands"... :D

[Firepower!]

No doubt on Benelli M4. I have used it and it rocks!

[mjb]

Don't forget about the FN SLP semi automatic!

[9mmepiphany]

the FN SLP is what toolk the Benelli's spot in my batterey. i liked it so much...to say nothing about it costing less...that i just ordered a Mk-1 also

[cyclist]

The best one is the one you've got at the time:
http://www.armsbid.com/8webpix/1048.jpg

[Flopsy]

Another vote for the standard Mossie 500 Special Purpose, as opposed to 590. I like the Mossie over the 870 because the placement of the action release and safety are a big improvement. And I like the 500 over the 590 because I'd prefer not to carry around the extra weight of the heat shield (let's be honest - that's just to look cool and it adds weight - if you like it that way, enjoy) and I don't have much use for the added cost of the little extras on the end of the mag tube, etc. And if I'm not mistaken, my 20" barrel 50577 will accept one more in the mag than the 18.5" 590.

[Firepower!]

I think its probably the cultural thing that we here in PK mostly prefer a fully auto or semi over pump. Whenever we want to seperate a useless gun from other we go with pump. However, there is market for side by side and O/U if they are spanish or bristish.

[Pa.Bill]

Don't know which shotgun is the best but I do own the 870 and its a fine firearm.
Last month, on the Military Channel they reported on the Atchisson AA-12.
I have never seen anything like this. It fires rounds from 00 buck to AP tank-killers. If you get a chance to see it ----Do watch !!

[Firepower!]

Pa. Bill USAS-12 is similar to AA-12! Thats what I have been telling everyone here that 12 guage fully auto is something entirely different then a simple pump, which may be a good gun to own.

[Pa.Bill]

Firepower-----Agree

The report ( Miliatry channel ) said its the only ture military designed shotgun.
Not a pump, the one I saw, had a drum feed, must like the Thompson sub-machine gun. It is very different some anything I have seen.

[Smitty in CT]

The report ( Miliatry channel ) said its the only ture military designed shotgun...

Only, no "military" has ever stepped up and bought any....

[riverdog]

But the question was about which gun would be best for home defense, not military assaults. I saw the video of the full auto shotgun, very impressive, not something I'd want to use in my home. If you feel a need to have a full auto shotgun at the ready in your home, it's time to find a new neighborhood.

[Firepower!]

Sir, I refer you to poll heading "Best Defense/Assualt Shotgun?"

Assualt was and is part of the poll, may it be military or otherwise.

[George Hill]

Remington 870 Tactical.

[Sharps-shooter]

purdey 12 bore with external hammers and damascus barrels.

[Svg99]

+1 for the 11-87 mine has never jammed except once when i had a shell catcher on incorrectly.

[Blue02Formula]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/blue02formula/marinemagnum.jpg

:neener:

[FLtoAK05]

Remington 870 Marine Magnum.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m200/bgiddens/DSC00013.jpg

[FLtoAK05]

Or my Remington 11-87.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m200/bgiddens/DSC00015.jpg
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[2ndamd]

Boy, I'd vote for that marine magnum.
Good looking gun right there.
Any shotgun will do.

[kentucky_smith]

My vote goes A5 ala JJ McQuade :p

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[CZguy]

Boy, I'd vote for that marine magnum.
Good looking gun right there.
Any shotgun will do.

I agree, plus one.