Ruger Autos


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Crow61
January 4, 2008, 10:28 AM
I believe that most would agree that Ruger makes a dependable auto that is very tough. The P95 that I owned was 100% reliable. And, I have heard similar accounts of all the Ruger auto's.

With that being said; I have a couple of questions. Why are they less expensive than most auto's? Why don't you see more LE/military folks carrying them?

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-v-
January 4, 2008, 11:03 AM
My personal guess would be that they don't market them as much as their competitors. Also, on the history of the P95, it was at one time adopted as the standard side-arm for tank crews back in the day, with Uncle Sam buying I think 5,000 of them. (Linkay (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_2_50/ai_n11851451))

boalex207
January 4, 2008, 11:04 AM
Why don't you see more LE/military folks carrying them?

My agency issued Rugers for decades. The first 9mm semi-automatics we issued were Rugers, stayed with them when we went to .40 caliber.

Just last year, they pulled all the Ruger semi-autos and converted over to Sig's. Still a few Ruger wheelguns in the fleet however.

We were definitely the exception rather than the rule issuing Rugers though.

possum
January 4, 2008, 04:29 PM
yeah i love the ruger autos, no issues in my p95 that i had, or the 22/45 that i own, and my ruger p345 is the most accurate handgun that i own. i plan on giving the ruger sr9 a look when i get home, if not for me defenitly my wife, it has alot of features that i hink would work great for her, and will probally even like it too.

NGIB
January 4, 2008, 04:34 PM
I'd have to say it has something to do with a lack of hype and a lack of a vocal following. Just check any thread where folks want recommendations - and Glock & Sig will dominate. When asked about Rugers, most folks say something like "reliable & built like a tank". While this is true it's not very glamorous or enticing. My P89 has been a great gun, just kind of boring...

bhp9mm
January 4, 2008, 04:42 PM
my p-89dao got it used have put over 3000 rounds tru it all types of ammo and load reloads no jams at all

Lone Star
January 4, 2008, 04:44 PM
-V--

Those 5,000 Rugers were for Afghan and Iraqi forces, not US personnel.

US tank crews still carry the Beretta M-9.

Ruger has won no major trials, and the guns feel and look blocky. They still use a swinging link barrel, I believe, not the cam that has been preferred by most designers since the Browning Hi-Power became well known in the 1930's.

I've never seen a real cop with one, just some security guards who didn't know guns and who needed a cheap weapon. Many of these people work for about $7.00 an hour.

Nonetheless, I gather that the Rugers do work well. Have heard some bad comments about accuracy, though.


Lone Star

lee n. field
January 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
Ruger has won no major trials, and the guns feel and look blocky.

The P85 wasn't out in time to compete, is my recollection.

varoadking
January 4, 2008, 07:28 PM
They make great rimfires...

Juna
January 4, 2008, 07:30 PM
In my estimation, the Ruger is the Ford Truck of handguns. They're totally reliable, do what you bought them to do without fail, and they do it pretty well. That said, they don't have all the frills, bells, & whistles of some other guns, and they aren't necessarily the best handguns out there in any or all categories.

It's sort of like saying, "Why is a Ford F-150 cheaper than a Ferrari?" They're different kinds of automobiles. The latter is probably much more fun to drive, goes faster, handles better, and looks nicer. But if a man could only afford one automobile for the rest of his life and had to choose between the two, I could easily see why one might choose the Ford. More durable, wider range of uses, less finnicky, solid, & proven. I'd rather have a $250 Ruger P95 as my truck/boat/stashed wherever gun than a $700 H&K P2000. If I have enough to buy multiple guns and/or replace my P2000 if something goes wrong with it, then it doesn't matter much. But I could take that $700 and almost buy 3 P95s to arm my whole family with that will last forever.

Their reputation for reliability and toughness precedes them, and in my experience that reputation is well earned. Bang for buck, they're tough to beat. Why are they less expensive? Well probably in part because they're less expensive to make (blockier ergonomics, less economy of size/weight, etc.), and probably in part b/c Mr. Ruger's goal was to have a reliable, affordable handgun that an average working man could afford with one paycheck. A Sig, H&K, or custom 1911 they are not, but they have their well earned place in the firearms world for a reason.

brett30030
January 4, 2008, 07:32 PM
Have heard some bad comments about accuracy, though.

Of all the negatives i have ever heard about Rugers, that one is a first, can you elaborate?

NGIB
January 4, 2008, 07:36 PM
My P89 always shot a little to the left, maybe an inch at 10 meters. I put adjustable sights on it, dialed them in, and it groups as good as anything I have...

Magnumite
January 4, 2008, 09:09 PM
I used a P 85 Mk II in bowling pin and club shooting matches. It shot accurate and well for the type of pistol it was designed as - it is not a match grade pistol. But it was bowling pin accurate enough to win matches with...works for me. The KP 90 45 ACP...hangs with most target (not match)grade 1911's.

P97
January 4, 2008, 09:28 PM
I'll just keep my unreliable, inaccurate, ugly Rugers and since others don't like them, I'll buy more cheap. :)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/P97/p90-1.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/P97/MahanRugerSide1pagesize.jpg

rantingredneck
January 4, 2008, 09:31 PM
They still use a swinging link barrel, I believe, not the cam that has been preferred by most designers since the Browning Hi-Power became well known in the 1930's.


The P95 and later use a camblock system.

bakert
January 4, 2008, 10:15 PM
I kinda like 'em and like Mr P97, I'll keep on carrying my own P97 every day as I have for almost 3 years now:p

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f241/brumanj/Picture262.jpg

thebaldguy
January 4, 2008, 11:18 PM
I think there were several agencies that used Ruger pistols, but I think some companies like Glock sold their pistols to law enforcement agencies at super low prices.

TimboKhan
January 5, 2008, 08:27 AM
I've never seen a real cop with one, just some security guards who didn't know guns and who needed a cheap weapon

Massad Ayoob has mentioned many times that he was issued a P90. Moreover, he really liked them!

I will admit that they are a big pistol, but as far as the "blockiness" goes, thats just a matter of taste. I have always thought they looked cool, to be honest. Besides, I would take my P90 over literally any other pistol you could name because it has proven over time to be the most reliable pistol I own. That thing will feed rocks....

DMZ
January 5, 2008, 08:52 AM
I have owned and shot a MK II for over 25 years.

I bought a P95PR that I really liked, but my son liked it so much he convinced me to let go of it.

No problemo, that gave me an excuse to buy a SR9 (my decision was based on my experience with the P95) and I after shooting a few hundred rounds through it, I think I'll keep it. :D

toocool
January 5, 2008, 10:19 AM
I've never seen a real cop with one, just some security guards who didn't know guns and who needed a cheap weapon. Many of these people work for about $7.00 an hour.

Back in the '80s the Kenosha County (WI) sheriff's department issued Ruger Service Six .357 magnum revolvers to their deputies, later switching to S&W 4506's, and now Glock 22's; at about the same time, the Wisconsin State Patrol switched from S&W revolvers to Ruger P89 (I think) 9mm, and they carried those until the last couple of years, when they switched to Glocks as well.

I just picked up the Ruger SR9, mostly to play with at IDPA matches, and this is a radically different gun than previous Ruger semiautos. Great feel in the hand, very sleek, very concealable. I'm hoping to get to the range today and put a few hundred rounds through it and see how it shoots. For now, though, I'm happy with it.

wheelgunslinger
January 5, 2008, 11:11 AM
Eh.
Most Rugers are dead reliable. I had a P345 when they first came out that let me down in the reliability department.
Never again.

It's not that Rugers are cheap. It's that other arms are overpriced. It's very "western" to believe that a high price denotes quality. And, also very "western" to buy a more expensive weapon, car, or golf club because it is more of a symbol of wealth. Anthropologically speaking, humans do this all over the world.
But, in the pragmatic world of firearms and self defense, quality and reliability are king.

You can paste John Browning's face on a blow up doll in your bedroom, swear allegiance to one brand or model with a blood oath, or go Minnie Pearl Tactical and leave the price tag hanging on your megabuck handgun, but in the end reliability and quality are all that matter.
Ruger has that in spades. Price don't mean nothing.
Ruger's price point just means you can be poor or wealthy and own a nice reliable handgun, much to the chagrin of guys who spent thrice and got half.

CAnnoneer
January 5, 2008, 09:29 PM
AFAIK, Rugers are cheaper because they are cast instead of wrought. Casting is less expensive but requires more material to achieve the same strength, ergo the bulkiness. There is also a lot of truth to what other posters pointed out above - namely, that other brands are overpriced. There is just no rational reason for a new, serial production pistol to cost 2 grand!

TimboKhan
January 6, 2008, 01:44 AM
Wow. CAnnoneer and wheelgunslinger apparently drink the same koolaid as I do, because I have been screaming for years that 1911's, specifically, are fantastically overpriced. It's nice to know that I am not alone...

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