[MicroBalrog]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=1558&mesg_id=1558&page=

[Drjones]

Funny how he mentioned the KKK when in fact your average liberal is FAR more racist than any hood-wearing member of the KKK.

[MicroBalrog]

Funny how he mentioned the KKK when in fact your average liberal is FAR more racist than any hood-wearing member of the KKK.

Can you say it to this guy?
Can you say it to me to my face?:fire:

[Drjones]

Can you say it to this guy?
Can you say it to me to my face? Depending on just how liberal a given individual is, sure I'd say it to their face.

It's true.

Haven't you been following the "Liberal with Guns" thread? We've already proven it over there....


Chill out man...

[MicroBalrog]

Haven't you been following the "Liberal with Guns" thread? We've already proven it over there....

I haven't followed your arguments, but let me guess: "Affirmative Action is racist, some liberals support it, thus, most liberals are racist"? Not good. No Affirmative Action in Israel. We don't even need it.

And how does that detract from the guy's statements in the thread.

[Standing Wolf]

Any klansman is welcome to judge the bullets from my 30 round clips versus his cowardly clavern leader's arsenal.

Guess that scared the Ku Klux Klan silly!

[MicroBalrog]

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/stopKKK_s.jpg

[Mark Tyson]

That's good. Did you make that poster?

[MicroBalrog]

Of course not. It's from http://www.a-human-right.com

[Moparmike]

I wanted to puke when I read the following:
by Hielo msg25. Try another way.
People, this is not the way!

Put down those totems of distilled violence. There is no need for them anymore. You say you want to do harm to a fellow person, instead love that person. Feel their needs as if they were your own. Find the compromise where that person is completed as a human, and you to will be completed.

Imagine if you did, happiness and love would follow. Free yourself form the fear of happiness. Free yourself from the fear of love. THe most powerful force in the universe is love and it will support you through the dark moments of fear.

Rage not against your fellow person, rage agains tthat persons lack of love. Feel the pain that drove the person to this time. Obliviate that pain with your love.

You can do no better thing in this world.

Visualize it and love that person. which was in response to another person threatening the thread starter. I couldnt believe such tripe made it to my screen. All that love shown to a KKK by a black man will get his a$$ killed in no short order. Why make it easy for the racist SOB klansman? The guy should have some sense beaten into him. Words cannot describe how infuriated I am at this imbicilic sheeple's words.

AndWhy hurt people who are not as fortunate as your friend? Shouldn't he be trying to help all those people who need what he have, instead of trying to murder them?

If he shared what he has, they would leave peaceably, and he would not have to use his murdering guns. in response to someone stating that they used firearms to prevent looting. I cannot in this agitated state produce words that are suitable for THR to describe what I think of this loathsome (ugh, how it pains me to say this) "human being".

[Don Gwinn]

:scrutiny:

Doc, you might want to think about this for a few more minutes before you continue this argument. Do you know any Klansmen? Have you ever spoken to one?

It's an ugly experience.


There is a huge difference between the kind of vein popping, spit spraying hatred and filth the average Klucker considers good conversation on the one hand, and the average liberal's willingness to accept unequal treatment of races in the name of creating equality between them. The liberal may be wrong-headed, but he's trying to help. The average Klucker is not. I don't want to sound too much like someone's dad, because I'm not much older than you, but think twice, post once.

I'm thinking all Hielo needs is a screwdriver. He's got a couple loose! :uhoh:

[MicroBalrog]

by Hielo msg25. Try another way.
People, this is not the way!

Put down those totems of distilled violence. There is no need for them anymore. You say you want to do harm to a fellow person, instead love that person. Feel their needs as if they were your own. Find the compromise where that person is completed as a human, and you to will be completed.

Imagine if you did, happiness and love would follow. Free yourself form the fear of happiness. Free yourself from the fear of love. THe most powerful force in the universe is love and it will support you through the dark moments of fear.

Rage not against your fellow person, rage agains tthat persons lack of love. Feel the pain that drove the person to this time. Obliviate that pain with your love.

You can do no better thing in this world.

Visualize it and love that person.


Actually, it's a good idea.

All the Hielo-types go out and offer their love to the Kluckers, giving us normal people the time necessary to make quick aimed shots.

[Moparmike]

[Begin justification of typical Liberal stance on guns]

I just hope they both stand still for the sake of ridding the world of both types of people! The Klansman sickens me about 10 times as much as the gun-grabber, but a few less gun-grabbers wouldnt hurt.

I guess I could hope for a deflection or something, or {begin wrongness} one of those magical JFK bullets:rolleyes: {end wrongness}

[/justification of typical Liberal stance on guns]

[Drjones]

There is a huge difference between the kind of vein popping, spit spraying hatred and filth the average Klucker considers good conversation on the one hand, and the average liberal's willingness to accept unequal treatment of races in the name of creating equality between them. The liberal may be wrong-headed, but he's trying to help. The average Klucker is not. I don't want to sound too much like someone's dad, because I'm not much older than you, but think twice, post once.

I understand and am not trying to flame anyone nor be inflammatory, but at the heart of it, liberals and klansmen just really aren't different at all.

Their fundamental, underlying belief is that the value of a human being as well as the content of a human's character is determined by the color of their skin.

Although they may express themselves differently, their fundamental belief about colored people is the same.

And do we even need to bring up the hatred of white males that the average liberal posesses?


And you're about my age??? :scrutiny: Whoa....didn't know that.... :)

[Preacherman]

Wierd responses on DU - as usual... I had a friend, R. A. Burgess (universally known as Rab - died a couple of years ago, God rest his soul) who was a union organizer for many years, and campaigned fiercely for integration, civil rights, etc. Good man. Anyway, in his old age the local Klansmen were out to get him for his history of opposing them, etc. Good ol' cowardice - pick on someone who was (they thought) too old to defend himself.

Heh, heh... Little did they know he won a Silver Star in Korea, and was not in the mood to be intimidated! He had a treasured Winchester '94 in .30-30, and bemoaned his lack of a shotgun. I gave him a Baikal double-barrel 12ga. coach gun, which cheered him immensely. I understand that the next three KKK-owned vehicles driving past his place (out in the woods, where he had 40 acres) were well-speckled with what looked suspiciously like BB shot (according to the local body shop that had to re-paint them). Problem solved! :D

[Don Gwinn]

Welllll. . . . I said "not much older." I'm 25. I don't know how old you are, but you can't be that young. And as you get into your 20s you begin to realize that 20-something is still pretty young compared to the rest of the world. There's more to it than we youngsters often realize.

Again I must ask, though. Do you know any Kluckers? Ever met a real one? Most people haven't. It's that distance from the reality of what the Klan is that allows people to toss off comparisons like the one you made. A liberal and a Klucker are emphatically not the same or even very similar. Many affirmative action liberals, in fact, do not admit to any belief that one race is worth more than another. They consider affirmative action a temporary necessity, a bandaid that will fade away as the "need" for it disappears. I don't agree, but it profits us nothing to misrepresent their position as racism. Straw men do not win arguments.

[Sergeant Bob]

They consider affirmative action a temporary necessity, a bandaid that will fade away as the "need" for it disappears. I don't agree, but it profits us nothing to misrepresent their position as racism.
So, when a white person is denied a job or a position solely due to the fact his skin is not black, is that not discrimination based on race? Whether their intentions are good or not, the outcome is still based on the color of someone's skin. I think that is the point Doc is trying to make.

rac·ism
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

[Drjones]

So, when a white person is denied a job or a position solely due to the fact his skin is not black, is that not discrimination based on race? Whether their intentions are good or not, the outcome is still based on the color of someone's skin. I think that is the point Doc is trying to make.


Yep. Thanks, Sgt.!

[Mike Irwin]

Shame on you, Dr. Jones.

Everyone knows that liberals simply can't be racist. Because they're liberal.

Only conservatives can be racist.

Liberals, on the other hand, have issues related to ethnicity. But that certainly doesn't make them racist.

Anymore than Jesse Jackson is anti-Semitic.

Case in point...

A friend's Mother. Very nice lady. Has given untold thousands of dollars to Democratic causes.

Decrys racism, and the Republican party because it's nothing but racists through and through.

Yet, a few years ago, she was all in a tizzy because a black family moved into the house a few doors down. Seems that she was concerned because it wasn't "their kind of community" (her words).

Her community, until that point, was lilly freaking white.

[Mike Irwin]

"Do you know any Kluckers? Ever met a real one?"

Yep.

[MicroBalrog]

So, when a white person is denied a job or a position solely due to the fact his skin is not black, is that not discrimination based on race? Whether their intentions are good or not, the outcome is still based on the color of someone's skin. I think that is the point Doc is trying to make.

Did I ever say I supported that?

[Sergeant Bob]

MicroBalrog Did I ever say I supported that?
I don't know, did you?

[Iain]

He didn't say he supports it, as a ''liberal'' (much misused word) I don't support it either, I also don't support ''gun-grabbing'' when the case either way is not clear or proven (in my eyes).

To compare a ''liberal'' to a Klansman is plain monocular. To regard ''Afirmative Action'' as racism when, although it is misguided, it is an attempt to level the playing field is also misguided.

People are people, just because they vote Democrat doesn't mean they are tolerant or even not racists. Neither do I think Republican voters are necessarily racists - the world is more complex than the lib/con divide that people insist upon.

That thread (the one that started all this) is rather weird and personally I get the feeling that those idiotic ''love the Klansman'' posts were a pathetic attempt to parody and thus discredit the point of view of those who support gun control and regard human nature as superior to that which is oft demonstrated by man.

[Duncan Idaho]

DrJones is exactly right. I too would say that the most racist people (in America at least) that I have ever met are liberals.

And yes Don, I have met "kluckers" or whatever other cute name you might choose for them.

KKK and Neo-Nazi types are nowhere near as dangerous (to society as a whole) as any liberal that I have ever met. Overt racists are fringe element freaks that are easily spotted and dismissed for the raving animals that they are. Add to that the fact that they like to get dolled up on a Saturday night in their finest sheets, and we have (if it becomes necessary of course) a target rich environment.

OTOH, liberals that believe that Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, and Condi Rice aren't black enough; who believe that simply by virtue of skin shade that special consideration(s) are due, and who believe that they are trying to "help"; are the one and only people who make racism a permanent and institutionalized aspect of our society.

A fine example would be:Yet, a few years ago, she was all in a tizzy because a black family moved into the house a few doors down. Seems that she was concerned because it wasn't "their kind of community" (her words).

I hate to break it to you MicroBalrog, but if you were to let on that you don't believe that the little darkies don't need the help and guidance of the "enlightened progressive liberals", they would boot you the hell out of their little club. But don't just take my word for it. If you succeed in emigrating to the U.S., you will get to see it for yourself.

And yes, some conservatives are rabidly racist.

And yes, some liberals own guns.

To the former, I say get bent. To the latter, I say that an ostrich has wings too, but that doesn't mean that he knows what they are for. :rolleyes:

[AJ Dual]

KKK and Neo-Nazi types are nowhere near as dangerous (to society as a whole) as any liberal that I have ever met. Overt racists are fringe element freaks that are easily spotted and dismissed for the raving animals that they are. Add to that the fact that they like to get dolled up on a Saturday night in their finest sheets, and we have (if it becomes necessary of course) a target rich environment.


I was going to post almost the exact same comment when I read...

There is a huge difference between the kind of vein popping, spit spraying hatred and filth the average Klucker considers good conversation on the one hand, and the average liberal's willingness to accept unequal treatment of races in the name of creating equality between them. The liberal may be wrong-headed, but he's trying to help. The average Klucker is not. I don't want to sound too much like someone's dad, because I'm not much older than you, but think twice, post once.


You stole the words right out of my mouth Duncan.

'Well meaning" liberals have done more harm to the Black community in America than a million David Duke clones could have imagined in their wildest dreams.

And frankly, the cloak of "well meaning" is slipping in my eyes. Conservatives have always fought at a disadvantage, consistently following the "rules" and trying to appeal to logic. Part of the collective ethos is to also treat the liberal as the "loyal opposition" and give them the benefit of the doubt as to their intentions, if not their methods.

However, more and more, especially since the '00 elections, I've seen what the liberals think of conservatives, especially not from those in power, but those who wield influence, such as Michael Moore, and the Hollywood left, as their emotional demagoguery gets more and more extreme, I see that they simply believe that the conservative and the constitutionalist ought not exist.

I wonder more and more just how far they'll go, because the so-called fact that "their heart is in the right place" will seemingly justify what they do next...

[Combat-wombat]

Put down those totems of distilled violence. There is no need for them anymore. You say you want to do harm to a fellow person, instead love that person. Feel their needs as if they were your own. Find the compromise where that person is completed as a human, and you to will be completed.

Imagine if you did, happiness and love would follow. Free yourself form the fear of happiness. Free yourself from the fear of love. THe most powerful force in the universe is love and it will support you through the dark moments of fear.

Rage not against your fellow person, rage agains tthat persons lack of love. Feel the pain that drove the person to this time. Obliviate that pain with your love.

You can do no better thing in this world.

Visualize it and love that person.

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[Don Gwinn]

Sigh.


Against my better judgment, I'll respond to a few of the highlights:

1.So, when a white person is denied a job or a position solely due to the fact his skin is not black, is that not discrimination based on race? Whether their intentions are good or not, the outcome is still based on the color of someone's skin. I think that is the point Doc is trying to make.

First of all, I had just finished telling you that I "don't agree" with affirmative action. That means I'm not going to defend it as if I did agree, of course.
Second, we're not discussing "outcomes" without regard to "whether or not their intentions are good." DrJones alleged that their intentions are not good, and I think that's a bit naive. In fact, he alleged that their intentions are so bad that they're worse than the average Klansman. I tried to be diplomatic about it, but to put it bluntly, that position is ludicrous and I can't imagine how it can be defended. Since everyone seems to have abandoned it and turned to straw men built out of "outcomes" and such, I guess I'm not alone in that assessment.

2. (Mike) Shame on you, Dr. Jones.
Everyone knows that liberals simply can't be racist. Because they're liberal.
Only conservatives can be racist.
:scrutiny:
Yeah, Mike, 'cause that's more or less what I said, right?
Or at least, someone must have said it in this conversation.
Right?
Case in point...
Well, actually, no, it's not. The story about your friend's mother? Illustrative and enlightening as a study in hypocrisy, sure. But it has nothing to do with DrJones' point, which was that most liberals do not act like your friend's mother, but are still horrible racists as evidenced by their belief in affirmative action, which is "more racist" than cross burnings, church bombings, lynchings, and white power rallies.

3. KKK and Neo-Nazi types are nowhere near as dangerous (to society as a whole) as any liberal that I have ever met. Overt racists are fringe element freaks that are easily spotted and dismissed for the raving animals that they are.
That's debatable, but I'd say it's true for the present day. It is only true, however, because it became so prohibitive to be one of those "types" in polite society. It wasn't that long ago that it was no big deal. Who changed it?
For the most part, people who, at the time, were reviled and hissed at because they were "liberals." If the KKK and such are a small threat today, it is largely because the "liberals" won on that particular issue.

Besides, we've found another straw man. DrJones did not allege that liberals are more dangerous than the KKK. He said they were worse racists. I believe that street muggings are a greater danger to me than serial killers, but that doesn't mean that the average mugger is a worse person than Jeffrey Dahmer. If Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are more dangerous than the KKK, it's only because they have more popular support and more power. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, in fact, may be as racist as your average KKK member (or they may just be shakedown artists.) But then, they're not your average liberal, either.

4. St. Johns said it: "People are people." I can't stress this enough, people. Liberals disagree with us. They're not demons. They're not necessarily evil. They just don't agree as to the best course of action. If you don't believe that, what are you doing? Why debate at all?
One does not debate with monsters. You don't debate with a Hussein or a Hitler. If the average liberal is a slavering racist monster, there's no reason to try to engage or defeat Tom Daschle and Nancy Pelosi in the arena of ideas. Any sensible person would just shoot that kind of threat in the head. But of course, if you step back and really think about it, I think you'll agree that you don't really want to do that.

[HBK]

Whenever I go to that site I can't stay long without having the urge to offer the people there nice tall glasses of shut the hell up.

[Don Gwinn]

By the way, I can think of one other really good reason why the poster at DU "mentioned the KKK" even if you think the average liberal is more racist than they are:

The Klansmen were the ones who were actually threatening to KILL him. Since the post was about people threatening to kill him, he probably thought that was an important factor.

[Mike Irwin]

Guns are totems of distilled violence?

Darn.

I like my totems raw...

[Khornet]

and even in the days of slavery, racism had two faces. One face was calm, even benevolent. It was not a matter of hatred of blacks, just a conviction that they were inferior. This face of racism is relatively gentle, and permits peaceful, even cordial relations between the races. This is the face that says 'mammy' and 'uncle', personified by the kindly slaveowner. Never a problem as long as the blacks "knew their place". Not very nasty, at least outwardly, but racist nonetheless.

The other face is blatantly hateful: the lynch mob, the sadistic plantation foreman, the KKK.

BUT they are just two sides of the same coin, and each is founded on the other, and each is part of the other.

So with liberalism: the "kindly" face is Affirmative Action, outwardly well-intentioned, but still racism. The other face is Jesse Jackson saying Hymietown, Julian Bond saying Repubs' idea of kindness is pardoning "war criminal Jefferson Davis" (the Dems did that, BTW), black rioters targeting Koreans and Jews, Hillary Clinton snarling "F****ing Jew bastards", and the typical ranter of Democratic Underground.

Just two faces of the same coin. Both founded on racism. The genteel kind just provides the medium in which the snarling kind lives. And, as we can see from Jesse, Hillary, and DU, the genteel kind turns quickly into the hateful kind when we peasants don't 'Know Our Place".

[Khornet]

Want to end racism? THEN END RACISM.

[Duncan Idaho]

Besides, we've found another straw man. DrJones did not allege that liberals are more dangerous than the KKK. He said they were worse racists. Saying it is a strawman argument, does not automatically make it so.

The KKK types never make any attempt to say that they "mean well". They never make any attempt to say that "good intentions" are the name of the game.

OTOH, liberals will tell you to your face that you must automatically assign a student an additional 20 entrance points to a black kid applying for college. In the same breath, they will take offense when someone suggests "How about giving Al Sharpton an automatic 20% of the Demoratic primary vote? He is black, c'mon, what do you say? Wouldn't that be fair? How about Carol Mosley Braun? Shouldn't she get 40% since she is black and a woman?"

Things like that are fun to say to liberals. Watching white liberals almost jump out of their shoes at the thought that their very own liberal BS might come back to bite them in the ??? is a hoot!

As for engaging Demorats, Watermelons, and other assorted liberals and defeating them in the arena of ideas? Puhlease!:rolleyes: If you want to tilt at windmills, that is your prerogative. I'm done engaging double-speaking weasles. I let liberals defeat themselves.

They just disagree. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Not only do they disagree, but they also stand for everything that is abhorent to me. If they could, they would grab everything that I own in order to make manifest their "good intentions" by doling out my hard work as they see fit. To that I say MOLON LABE!!!!!! :fire: :cuss: :fire:

[Drjones]

Duncan and Andrew have hit it exactly.

I still stand by my assesment that most liberals are, in my eyes, just as racist as the average klansman. They simply use different methods of expressing their hatred and racism. And let's not forget the virulent hatred of white males that many liberals posess.

Further, as said by others in this thread, it is wholly true that liberals have done FAR more to harm in many ways to minorities than the KKK ever has or ever could.

[dustind]

I suggest everyone go to www.democratunderground.com and decide for yourself. I agree that they are just as racist, but it is also true that they have not linched any white people yet. that was a joke

[Iain]

I thought I would restate this in the light of the ''booted off DU again thread''

That thread (the one that started all this) is rather weird and personally I get the feeling that those idiotic ''love the Klansman'' posts were a pathetic attempt to parody and thus discredit the point of view of those who support gun control and regard human nature as superior to that which is oft demonstrated by man.

In the light of that other thread, does anybody take my point?

[Duncan Idaho]

In the light of that other thread, does anybody take my point?I am not about to sully my browser by going to Demoratic Underachievers, so how's about enlighting me/us?

[Iain]

It's on this forum

''Kicked off Democraticunderground for the 9th time - Boats''

[grampster]

Emotional Demagoguery: Modern day Liberalism

Thoughtfull Demagoguery: Modern day Conservatism

Delightfull Demagoguery: Somewhere Inbetween plinkin' at cans while tappin at the keyboard at THR.

:D