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jakemccoy
January 4, 2008, 06:38 PM
Given all the maniac shooters nowadays, I'm thinking the best trunk gun is a rifle or something that can reach out to 100 yards or more. Pull over, pop the trunk, engage the target and save some lives. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Like all the recent maniac shooter cases, I was imagining a scenario where you are within the maniac's danger zone (for example, maniac shooter picking off people in a mall parking lot). As in those cases, "letting the cops handle it" may not be an option, unless you're talking about the paperwork.

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CZ 42
January 4, 2008, 06:40 PM
SKS. Mine is a M44 though, picked it up at a garage sale. If I could buy guns, first thing would be an SKS anyway because their price is climbing- still only $150 though. With a $36 scope from J&G, you could probably hit out to 200 yards pretty well.

Firespecialist
January 4, 2008, 06:42 PM
Let the cops take care of it. I think doing something like that might come back and bite you in the a$$, unfortunately...

19-3Ben
January 4, 2008, 06:44 PM
I find it tough to think of engaging targets at 100yards. A lot of room for collateral damage there.
I cant have a trunk gun here in CT because we aren't allowed to leave a firearm in a vehicle. If I could though, it would be a Mosin Nagant carbine like an M44 or M38.

jrfoxx
January 4, 2008, 07:36 PM
Let the cops take care of it. I think doing something like that might come back and bite you in the a$$, unfortunately...
Agreed.Defending yourself or others in your fairly immediate area is one thing, but popping someone from 100+ yds out, unless he is somehw a direct threat to you, is liable to get you in some serious trouble.That said,an AK clone would be hard to beat, or an sks if you want to go a bit less expensive.

TCB in TN
January 4, 2008, 07:36 PM
Were I to have a trunk gun, it would likely be something innocent looking (just for appearances) such as a scoped Lever 30-30 (I know many folkd hate scoped lever guns) or similar that would be effective out to about 125 yards, but would not look like an "assault weapon".

mljdeckard
January 4, 2008, 07:43 PM
+1 for SKS. As stated above, 100+ yards stretches the definition of 'defensive', but remember, a handgun is what you use to fight your way back to the long gun you never should have dropped in the first place. In the interests of being thorough, a long gun should be part of your plan. You don't know what you will be defending against or why.

The reason I said SKS, is that if it's in your trunk, it needs to be a knockaround gun, and if you ever DO go through a region or get into a pissing match where the cops don't know the law, and they decide to 'hold' it until they get clarification, it's no catastrophic loss, like my heirloom M-1 carbine would be, and you can replace it for $125.

M2 Carbine
January 4, 2008, 07:53 PM
I have a SKS behind the seat in the truck and a Kel Tec .223 SU-16CA in back of the station wagon.

I use to leave M1 Carbines in the vehicles.
Due to the BG's using body armor more I wanted to have handy a rifle round that would defeat armor better than the Carbine.

For a cheap, powerful car rifle the SKS is probably hard to beat.

Blackbeard
January 4, 2008, 08:01 PM
The problem is, if you're at your car, then flight is a preferable option. Hard to imagine a justifiable reason to grab the rifle instead of burning rubber.

Zedicus
January 4, 2008, 08:08 PM
At that kind of range I would say either a Scoped (flat top type upper) AR15, or a Scoped M1A.

kd7nqb
January 4, 2008, 08:26 PM
SKS could be a good option but I would go for the Kel-Tec SU-16. Part of me thinks it might be a good application for the Highpower carbines that could exchange mags with your sidearm.

jaholder1971
January 4, 2008, 08:30 PM
Simple: SCOUT RIFLE!

Short bolt gun with low power, forward mounted scope in .308 is what's in for taking out Moonbats shooting up courthouse and shopping mall parking lots.

TFin04
January 4, 2008, 08:36 PM
The logistics of a trunk gun aside, I would choose a Marlin 336 no question.

jakemccoy
January 4, 2008, 08:44 PM
Let the cops take care of it. I think doing something like that might come back and bite you in the a$$, unfortunately...

I see the point from people who say this. However, please give an answer anyway. "No trunk gun" works as an answer too.

akodo
January 4, 2008, 09:18 PM
Agreed.Defending yourself or others in your fairly immediate area is one thing, but popping someone from 100+ yds out, unless he is somehw a direct threat to you, is liable to get you in some serious trouble.That said,an AK clone would be hard to beat, or an sks if you want to go a bit less expensive.

I've got real reservations about this. True, if you are a CCWing, you are NOT acting like a police officer, chasing down robbers, etc. Same with 'happen to be armed today on my way to the hunting camp' same with 'I always have a gun in the truck' or what have you.

First duty of the person is of course care of himself and his loved ones/immediate family. Sometimes this is realizing that you are in that whole 'airplane decompression situation' where adults must first put their own air mask on, and then put the mask on others. If they look to their children first, they may not succeed in putting the mask on the child before they pass out. So, to be most sure of saving the child you put your own mask on first. For firearms, this may mean getting to cover first and begin firing back, rather than helping slower members along, and possibly killed out in the open before the threat is eliminated, and then the killer tracks down everyone who is hiding and kills them.

Also, there is the consideration of how your family will survive, even if they are miles away and safe, once the main breadwinner is dead, or once a key family component is removed, etc.

Still, you are armed with a truck gun, and you see an axe murderer sything his way through a schoolbus full of pre-schoolers, can you really say "Hey, he is 102 yards away, and not actively a threat to me, theirfore I will call 911 and let the cops handle it!"

I guess I look at it like a building/vehicle on fire. It is based on the individual scenario how severe the blaze is, what tools you have on hand, etc which all must be weighed in a tiny split second. Your kids are gonig to miss you just as much if you dive into a burning building to save child as if you dived into a gunfight to save a child, when in both cases you were not in immediate danger but chose to get involved

thebaldguy
January 4, 2008, 10:12 PM
In Minnesota, trunk guns are illegal. You cannot keep a gun in the trunk unless you are going to or from a range, or you have a CCW permit. I would hate to have my car stolen/broken into and have a firearm stolen along with the car.

akodo
January 5, 2008, 12:49 AM
thebaldguy,

where did you get that info from. It is my understanding that yes, indeed you can. It just falls under the basic firearms transport rules. You can have a gun in your trunk if it is unloaded. You can have it in your cab if it is cased and unloaded. There are no restrictions on this beyond that.

Take a look at your posting. If that is the law, how do hunters transport their firearms? Or a person who is moving? Or a person who just bought a gun? is taking their gun in for repairs? is going to try and sell their gun? is bringing the gun to a friend to show off? Is a farmer and needs to have one handy for dispatching varmint? Is a farmer on his way to put a wounded animal out of it's misery?

Anteater1717
January 5, 2008, 12:51 AM
SKS or Marlin 336.

Jaenak
January 5, 2008, 02:44 AM
I personally have to say it's probably best you leave any incident to the police or swat team unless you're completely unable to leave or disengage. If there's absolutely no way to retreat and let the cops deal with it, then I suppose you could engage the threat but if at all possible, don't get involved.

Mauserguy
January 5, 2008, 03:13 AM
I don't know what the law says, but if some lunatic is killing civilians it is a man's moral obligation to take action. Having said that, would a typical 30-30 bullet pierce body armour? I would have my doubts with a round nose projectile.
Mauserguy

jakemccoy
January 5, 2008, 04:54 AM
.............

precisionshootist
January 5, 2008, 05:51 AM
Let the cops take care of it. I think doing something like that might come back and bite you in the a$$, unfortunately...

Yes it most certainly would.

This is how that would play out:

First when the cops get there, the shooting has ended as usual, so they are too late to intervene which they wouldn’t do anyway because they would be too busy putting the entire city on "Lock Down". It’s clearly over now but they will put everyone on “Lock Down” anyway.

They would find you, the person that had just stopped the maniac killing spree and saved lives, draw down on you screaming at the top of their lungs for you to drop your weapon and lay face down on the ground.

At this point you would have a knee in the back, being handcuffed and arrested like you were a fugitive mall shooter

You are put in the back of a squad car as TV crews and dozens more SWAT cops show up.

You are hauled off to jail and your weapon is seized as evidence, later to face a grand jury and the DA while you drain your life savings just to retain legal counsel.

At the scene are TV crews and now more cops than you can count all dressed up like they are Delta Force standing around looking authoritative displaying MP5 Submachine guns, M-16's, Flash bang grenades and interceptor body armor.

If you avoid prosecution which you may or may not, either way you will be left with anywhere from sizable to life long legal bills. You will never see your rifle again.


With that in mind !, the SKS is a great trunk gun!
I carry a Chinese paratrooper SKS. Inside the case is a belt with pouch and 10 loaded stripper clips. Another pouch holds some cleaning supplies. The belt also has a fixed blade knife attached.

Also I have carried this rifle for 8 years or more. The ammo (a mixed lot of Chinese steel core, Yugo brass, and Russian commercial) was in my trunk for at least 7 years +. This was 24/7 exposed to Texas heat in summer and cold in winter. Last summer I fired 40 of the 100 rounds and all worked flawlessly. All ammo types were fired both close range and at a gong at 300+ yards with many hits.

stubbicatt
January 5, 2008, 09:11 AM
Agreed. The cops are more than 50% likely to charge you with something, and the DA will at least present a grand jury case.

If you carry a trunk gun, be certain to choose something innocuous looking like a bolt actioned Mosin Nagant or the like.

fearless leader
January 5, 2008, 09:27 AM
Quote: Defending yourself or others in your fairly immediate area is one thing, but popping someone from 100+ yds out, unless he is somehw a direct threat to you, is liable to get you in some serious trouble.

This is GOOD advice. I stepped in one time and nearly went to prison.:eek:

Remember, before you "pop your trunk", YOU know what you are doing and what you are trying to accomplish, and people standing with you may also Know, but other people wanting to play hero may mistake a man aiming an AK or something in the parking lot as "SHOOT ON SIGHT", as you are probably not wearing a shirt announcing yourself as the good guy.

single action
January 5, 2008, 09:45 AM
What I would like is a #4 enfield with 7" cut off the barrell,recrowned, the front sight replaced, and drilled and tapped for a mount and a scout type scope. If I can ever find a gunsmith locally to do it, its exactly what I will have. Oh, and while im dreaming lets parkerize it too.
Collectors do not fear, I will only do this to a #4 that has allready been "bubba'd"

hankdatank1362
January 5, 2008, 09:56 AM
Too all those who advocate keeping you noses out of it, it's easier to run away.... remember the UT Tower Sniper? Rifle-armed citizens put enough suppressive fire on the tower as to make Whitman keep is head down, minimizing the damage that maniac could do. Then, when the authorities arrived, I do believe that it was another legally armed citizen (IIRC, the police gave him the weapon) that showed them the way up the tower and actually even shot Whitman. (It was a LEO's bullet that proved fatal, I do believe.)


All legality and history aside, if someone is hurting innocent people, and you have the means and the ability to stop him, in my mind, you also have an obligation. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror ever again if I knew I drove away from a situation where I could have saved lives with one or two easy shots because "I didn't want to get involved."

What if the lady CCW holder that stopped the gunman at the Colorado Church though that way? There were what, 10,000 people in that church? I thank God she chose to get involved.

Now, I'm not saying that if all you have is a handgun, you should run up to the gunman and try your luck against his AK, but 100 yards or more out, you have a good chance of him not even seeing you. Besides, this thread was about trunk guns anyway.

My choice? Scoped SKS. Not the best tool of it's kind for the job at hand, but I wouldn't cry if it was stolen. Next choice would be Kel-Tec SU-16.

SHOOT1SAM
January 5, 2008, 10:13 AM
+1 to hankdatank1362 and MauserGuy.

If you had the means to end the slaughter, being 100 yards away would allow you to say, "Not my problem-he ain't shootin' at me".

That would enable you to live with yourself when the aftermath reports of the carnage were revealed? Doesn't seem very High Road, IMNTBHO.

I pray that I'm never faced with the situation, but if I am, like Jeanne Assam at the church in Colorado, I'll be praying for help in standing up to evil.

And the scoped SKS is what I'd probably be standing up to it with.

Sam

fearless leader
January 5, 2008, 10:16 AM
I work at a place that is a potential terrorist target.
My trunk gun is a Mossberg 590 Marinecoat wtih ghost ring sights, a side saddle and butt cuff with sabot slugs and tacticool, low recoil buckshot.
I can usually hit a coffee saucer out to 75 yds. with the slugs.

fearless leader
January 5, 2008, 10:35 AM
Quote: What if the lady CCW holder that stopped the gunman at the Colorado Church though that way? There were what, 10,000 people in that church? I thank God she chose to get involved.


If they (the congregation) were conciensious about their safety, where were THEIR guns?

I'm not saying not to get involved, I'm saying know before you get involved:

1) someone hearing shots may see you holding a rifle may kill you

2) going out of your way to get involved in a shooting can be misconstrued by the court and have a profound impact on your life for years to come, particularly if you inadvertantly hit an innocent.

If you are on scene in immediate danger with the shooter in close proximity with the ability to stop him, you probably should, but that is different from coming 100 yards away to kill him. Courts would likely find fault with that.

Sharps-shooter
January 5, 2008, 11:00 AM
I don't know about it in your towns, but where i live, it can take 15 minutes to get out of the mall parking lot even if no one is shooting at you. If someone is shooting at random people with an AK, then everyone is going to be trying to leave at once, and there's going to be a big traffic jam. If he's in your rifle range, that may very well mean that you're in his.

I like "any rifle you're well practiced with" as a trunk gun. Regarding the question of whether a 30-30 round will defeat body armor, yes, it will, if the body armor is soft (no rifle plates) and you're not too far away. I think 30-30 ballistics are pretty similar to ak/sks ballistics. but I've never shor an armored person with either.

What it really all comes down to in this type of situation is questions like, Do you have the shot? Can or should you escape rather than engaging (there may be more than one correct answer depending on your situation)?; and Is there enough confusion that someone might mistake you for the shooter?. Maybe wearing an undershirt with a big red "S" on it would be helpful to identify you as the good guy.

Sharps-shooter
January 5, 2008, 11:04 AM
I don't know about it in your towns, but where i live, it can take 15 minutes to get out of the mall parking lot even if no one is shooting at you. If someone is shooting at random people with an AK, then everyone is going to be trying to leave at once, and there's going to be a big traffic jam. If he's in your rifle range, that may very well mean that you're in his.

I like "any rifle you're well practiced with" as a trunk gun. Regarding the question of whether a 30-30 round will defeat body armor, yes, it will, if the body armor is soft (no rifle plates) and you're not too far away. I think 30-30 ballistics are pretty similar to ak/sks ballistics. but I've never shot an armored person with either.

What it really all comes down to in this type of situation is questions like, Do you have the shot? Can or should you escape rather than engaging (there may be more than one correct answer depending on your situation)?; and Is there enough confusion that someone might mistake you for the shooter?. Maybe wearing an undershirt with a big red "S" on it would be helpful to identify you as the good guy.

SHOOT1SAM
January 5, 2008, 02:00 PM
Sharps-shooter wrote: Maybe wearing an undershirt with a big red "S" on it would be helpful to identify you as the good guy.

If I were to do this, it would mean that I'd have to take my gray undershirt with the Bat Insignia, off. ;)

Sam

rcmodel
January 5, 2008, 02:04 PM
Something cheap you don't mind being rusted shut when you check it occasionally.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

Todd A
January 5, 2008, 02:27 PM
I cant have a trunk gun here in CT because we aren't allowed to leave a firearm in a vehicle

May I ask where you got this from? The only Statute I can find just requires you to leave a rifle or shotgun unloaded in your vehicle. If there is such a statuate then I guess I've been a criminal for awhile now.:what:

Sec. 53-205. Shotguns, rifles and muzzleloaders in vehicles and snowmobiles. No person shall carry or possess in any vehicle or snowmobile any shotgun or rifle or muzzleloader of any gauge or caliber while such shotgun or rifle or muzzleloader contains in the barrel, chamber or magazine any loaded shell or cartridge capable of being discharged or when such muzzleloader has a percussion cap in place or when the powder pan of a flint lock contains powder. Muzzleloader as used in this section means a rifle or shotgun, incapable of firing a self-contained cartridge and which must be loaded at the muzzle end. The enforcement officers of the Department of Environmental Protection are empowered to enforce this section. The provisions of this section shall not apply to members of the military departments of the government or state while on duty or while traveling to or from assignments, or to enforcement officers, security guards or other persons employed to protect public or private property while in the performance of such duties. Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be fined not less than ten nor more than one hundred dollars or be imprisoned not more than thirty days or be both fined and imprisoned.

Eric F
January 5, 2008, 02:39 PM
OP SAID:
Given all the maniac shooters nowadays, I'm thinking the best trunk gun is a rifle or something that can reach out to 100 yards or more. Pull over, pop the trunk, engage the target and save some lives. What do you guys think?

Its already been stated and arguments brought forth but If you are in your car what are the chances you will 1. see the shooter 2. hear the shooting 3. realize what is going on? Do you plan on seeing the action 10 feet infront of you? In a life time what are the odds of 1. seeing the action and 2 being able to engage the target?
This is ranking up with conspirecy theorries and such. Does this mean you shouldnt keep a rifle in your trunk? no but it is a bit much I think(for me any way) My reason for gun carry is defence not offence. Quite frankly if I were in my car and saw the action I would most likely get out of there either driving or running. If I am engaged or directly threatened then I will go to guns but not until then.

precisionshootist
January 5, 2008, 02:54 PM
Too all those who advocate keeping you noses out of it, it's easier to run away.... remember the UT Tower Sniper? Rifle-armed citizens put enough suppressive fire on the tower as to make Whitman keep is head down, minimizing the damage that maniac could do. Then, when the authorities arrived, I do believe that it was another legally armed citizen (IIRC, the police gave him the weapon) that showed them the way up the tower and actually even shot Whitman. (It was a LEO's bullet that proved fatal, I do believe.)


That was a different time entirely and those days are gone.


What if the lady CCW holder that stopped the gunman at the Colorado Church though that way? There were what, 10,000 people in that church? I thank God she chose to get involved.

She had a huge advantage, first she was supposed to be there and provide security. Second she was commissioned to carry and third the was a former LEO. I would add one more, she was female!

jakemccoy
January 5, 2008, 02:56 PM
precision wrote:

This is how that would play out:

First when the cops get there, the shooting has ended as usual, so they are too late to intervene which they wouldn’t do anyway because they would be too busy putting the entire city on "Lock Down". It’s clearly over now but they will put everyone on “Lock Down” anyway.

They would find you, the person that had just stopped the maniac killing spree and saved lives, draw down on you screaming at the top of their lungs for you to drop your weapon and lay face down on the ground.

At this point you would have a knee in the back, being handcuffed and arrested like you were a fugitive mall shooter

You are put in the back of a squad car as TV crews and dozens more SWAT cops show up.

You are hauled off to jail and your weapon is seized as evidence, later to face a grand jury and the DA while you drain your life savings just to retain legal counsel.

At the scene are TV crews and now more cops than you can count all dressed up like they are Delta Force standing around looking authoritative displaying MP5 Submachine guns, M-16's, Flash bang grenades and interceptor body armor.

If you avoid prosecution which you may or may not, either way you will be left with anywhere from sizable to life long legal bills. You will never see your rifle again.


Hi precision,

You have a vivid imagination. I think a more likely scenario is that mass media just won't report the case (or heroism) if there's little or no body count. That's pretty much what happened in these REAL cases that are not from my imagination...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=328799

Those cases bring me confidence and a smile to my face. It’s interesting how there are currently no comments in that other thread. I guess it’s because there’s nothing to argue. It’s not just my imagination that’s been reported, but rather real cases. If you look beyond mass media, you too would be able to cite cases other than the church lady in Colorado.

I'm not saying your story couldn't happen. However, I'll read a novel if I want to read a made-up story. Please give us links to real cases.

Regards,
Jake McCoy

rcmodel
January 5, 2008, 02:58 PM
That was a different time entirely and those days are gone. Boy, ain't that the truth!
If you ran toward a Texas Tower shooting to help out with a deer rifle today, the SWAT Team would take you out when they got there, several times over!

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Eric F
January 5, 2008, 03:05 PM
You have a vivid imagination. I think a more likely scenario is that mass media just won't report the case (or heroism) if there's little or no body count. That pretty much what happened in these REAL cases that are not from my imagination...
tell that to the poor security guard they blamed the Atlanta Olympics bombing on he didnt even have a gun. Imagine what it would have been had he shot the guy that placed it just after the explosion.

jakemccoy
January 5, 2008, 03:12 PM
Eric wrote:

tell that to the poor security guard they blamed the Atlanta Olympics bombing on he didnt even have a gun. Imagine what it would have been had he shot the guy that placed it just after the explosion.

Hi Eric,

I'm not saying wrongful charges can't or haven't happened. However, your alternative ending is your imagination. If you could point to real cases where the hero was wrongfully charged that would be great for this discussion.

Anyway, anecdotal evidence goes both ways. Please see my link for real cases that turned out positively for the good guy...

(Warning: the good guy prevails; don't look if you don't want to see that.)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=328799

Eric wrote:
This is ranking up with conspirecy theorries and such.
No, there's no conspiracy theories there, just real cases. My imagination is not so great on this kind of stuff. Oh, one case in that link was from California, wow.

Regards,
Jake McCoy

Eric F
January 5, 2008, 03:48 PM
I do not have a news source right now as it happened 4-5 years ago but a man was in a liquer store in portsmouth va there was an armed robery the guy ducked down was unseen by the BG then he shot the BG 5 times in the back through the door after the guy left(questionable) any way the local press interviewed the guy and made it look like he was in the wrong for having a gun in a liquer store. There was so much hype in the media about it and how wrong this guy was but the DA ruled it as a justifiable homocide.
I might also add that the BG's family sued for wrongful death court still pending to my knowledge

and seriously the guy from the olompics is a prime example of what can go wrong just for helping out.

.45Guy
January 5, 2008, 03:52 PM
My trunk gun: National Ord. carbine... Rebuilt with GI bolt, OP rod and Wolf springs. Gets the job done.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g27/aguy123/carbine0002.jpg

JamisJockey
January 5, 2008, 03:59 PM
The problem is, if you're at your car, then flight is a preferable option. Hard to imagine a justifiable reason to grab the rifle instead of burning rubber

I usually advocate flight...but if I'm in a spot where the choice is stopping a mass murder, or sitting on my couch and watching the news with a beer while this shooter gets his 15 minutes of fame for murdering people.....
I think I'll take my chances and nail down the shooter.
For a trunk gun, you want something that is going to hunt, so to speak, and can be left unattended. You want something that won't break your piggy bank or your heart if its stolen.
There are many fine milsurps that fit the bill. I'd go for an Enfield, one of the .308 ones. Alternatively, a redneck assault rifle (.30-30).
I had an M44 once, I didn't find it that accurate. My SKS isn't that accurate, either. Maybe with a scope it might be better...but I don't find the SKS suited for this job. It is rugged, cheap, and easy to shoot, though.

RLsnow
January 5, 2008, 05:13 PM
would love a Lee enfield with like..a red dot on it :P like an EOtech :)

im so dreamy

goon
January 5, 2008, 05:34 PM
I've been thinking about the same thing and I think when finances allow it I'll go with a Marlin 30-30.

I agree with both points of view. Getting involved is likely to get you charged with something. Not getting involved could potentially cost a whole lot of lives. But getting involved would still be a moral obligation that I don't think I could ignore.

My solution would be to carefully look at where I want to live before I move there. In some states you'd probably wind up in all kinds of legal problems but in others they would probably pay you back for the ammo you expended.
It kind of amounts to a sort of natural selection. "Good" states would get built in protection by their citizens. "Bad" states get to suffer from crazed gunmen who are hellbent on killing everyone in sight. At least that's my take on it.

precisionshootist
January 5, 2008, 09:33 PM
You have a vivid imagination. I think a more likely scenario is that mass media just won't report the case (or heroism) if there's little or no body count. That's pretty much what happened in these REAL cases that are not from my imagination...


The scenario I have proposed would entail that the maniac has killed several people and then you intervened and stopped the carnage. In that case I don't think there's much to speculate about. The police response would be almost exactly as I described.

precisionshootist
January 5, 2008, 09:48 PM
You have a vivid imagination. I think a more likely scenario is that mass media just won't report the case (or heroism) if there's little or no body count. That's pretty much what happened in these REAL cases that are not from my imagination...

I agree with you also in the case where one stops a would be killer before he is able to murder anyone. In that case I think you're spot on, the mass media would ignore that kind of story! No horrible tradgedy to exploit and undermine our freedom.

6inch
January 6, 2008, 10:02 AM
Jake.

Mine is a SAR-1 (AK47). They're easy to store, excepts high cap mags, dirt and dust is no problem and tough as nails. I have a Russian scope that attachs in seconds. In short, everything (IMHO) a trunk gun should be.

CZ 42
January 6, 2008, 10:22 AM
How about the rig described by precisionshootist and a big white sign you can stick in the ground next to you that says, "I'm the good guy. I saw this ______ shooting up the place, and I just happened to have this rifle..."

Titan6
January 6, 2008, 10:38 AM
Better to have a gun that will defeat most body armor. 7.62X39 will not go through most plates. Seems some of the crazies want to wear armor these days, Since you did not mention price might I suggest:
$100-Mosin- Very Good
$300- Scoped Remington 742 (or similar) in 30-06 or .308- Better
$600- Garand- Even Better
$800+- AR10 or other MBR in .308- Much Better

atek3
January 6, 2008, 05:37 PM
All the macho chest-beating aside...

Which is more likely:
a) you get in a car accident in which your trunk is opened
b) your car gets stolen
c) your trunk is opened by an anti-gun police officer
d) the next Cho Seung-Hui decides to go on a massacre farther than pistol range but closer than 911 range.

(Psst... it's probably not d) )

Given those odds, I'd much rather keep a 100 dollar enfield and a couple hundred rounds of ammo on stripper clips vs. an uber-tactical m4. That way if it gets stolen, big whoop, and if it gets discovered, you're okay in almost every jurisdiction.

atek3

jakemccoy
January 6, 2008, 06:36 PM
I've been thinkin' a Saiga 308 and a hunting license...

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308.htm

I don't mean the hunting license is just for show. I mean it would be good to get a hunting license and go on at least one trip a year for real.

monkeykevin
January 18, 2008, 01:37 AM
I say a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin 60... Head Shots will take anyone down at 100yrds and TWO your follow up shot should be easy like a walk in a park. Even if its not HS, body shot will slow him down or maybe you'll hit vital points. "IF" you do miss which you migh since your heart rate will be up - blood pumping feeling all Supermanish you may miss a shot is why I say go with a .22, lesser chance of calateral damage "IF" you do miss.

possum
January 18, 2008, 01:53 AM
if it is an active shooter situation then i am gonna do everything that i can to stop the loss of life.

people have different opinions on what a truck gun is and what they are used for. i would go the ar route, as that is what i am best with. some folks opt for something that they don't mind getting knocked around since it will be in the trunk. for those folks i recommend a ak, varient, sks, lever gun etc.

an m1a varient like the scout or one of the socom models would fit the bill too. but many folks don't have the money to put that much into a "trunk gun".

TomB7777
January 18, 2008, 03:08 PM
You know, it doesn't necessarily need to be a shooter to make you wish you had a trunk rifle.
I remember as a senior in high school when my neighbor flagged down my car one morning.
Her druggie husbands Pit Bull was mauling their 5 yr old daughter in the front yard.
Perfect situation to use an SKS in the trunk.

monkeykevin
January 19, 2008, 12:42 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002641156_mallshooting23

I just remember! We had a Mall shooting in Tacoma Washington when a guy stormed into a shopping mall with a AR shot SIX people including a CCW who "FOR" some reason didn't take a shot for god knows why he didn't and took a bullet leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. He is currently gaining some lower movement but I don't know how much.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002641156_mallshooting23m.html

When ***** hits the fan with a gunman near you, you will say one thing now and it turns out to be different. Reality is a LOT different from Movies and Games. Adrenalin pumping, heart rate rising, and fear will change anyone in a split second.

I don't want to be rude, but if your going to pull out a gun to confront a shooter means you have "A" BALL, but you don't got BALLZ when you didn't even fire a single round to stop a shooter.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002641156_mallshooting23



PS: If their is a shooter and you "DO" decide to take him down, don't you think the police/CCW might mistaken you as a shooter too and take you down by ACCIDENT thinking your part of the shooting.

Protect others before myself is how I see it.

biscuitninja
January 19, 2008, 12:58 PM
When I was going to the range alot, I had the Thompson in the back quite a bit. Nowadays its an M44 or the 91/30 (a little bit unweildy). I only keep them there as I go to the range quite a bit. Anyways good luck and don't work too hard.
-bix

CajunTim
January 19, 2008, 02:27 PM
http://shanoogie.com/smilies/smiles/AK.gif

Mine cost less than $200 to build and I know it will function if neglected.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/spctim11/AK.jpg

TexAg
January 19, 2008, 03:33 PM
Since I don't have a good place for a long gun I currently go with a 6" GP 100 .357 with snake shot and 200 grain hard cast available for reloads and 125 gr heaters loaded. With that I can cover alot of situations like finding a rattler near the house, a pig, deer or coyote on the lease (in case the primary gun malfs or breaks etc. ) or a two legged predator up to a pretty good distace away.

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