Defeating the Taser?


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punchdrunk
January 4, 2008, 07:43 PM
From a hypothetical view I was wondering if its possible to defeat the Taser and what methods would you use? I have no hands on experience! Am wondering if anyone here does, or has ideas that might work.
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Just to toss out a few ideas. I notice that people don't totally lose control on the videos you can watch on youtube or on Cops. You don't see them fall like a poll and smash their head into the ground. So it must be possible to control yourself somewhat?

I am not talking your everyday person here, I mean someone with a high pain tolerance and strong motivation.

Can you pull the probes out?

Do your clothes protect you? heavy coat?

How far apart do the probes usually strike? Would turning sideways make it hard to get both probes in? Assuming your not a wider target when your sideways ;)

For that matter... how accurate are they? Are they difficult to aim?

I know my dogs Ecollar will only shock for 8 seconds, is there a safety limit on the Taser?

If your holding onto someone else do they get the effect too, like with electricity?

Appreciate if anyone that has used one could fill in some blanks for me.

thanks
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CWL
January 4, 2008, 07:54 PM
I don't think this is the right forum to discuss this. Most likely tasers will be deployed by LEOs to control potential BGs. No need to help BGs in defeating LEO devices- which would only escalate the situation to likely use of firearms.

All I can say is that high pain tolerance has nothing to do with how tasers work, tasers work by temporarily shorting-out your ability to control muscle motions.

EmGeeGeorge
January 4, 2008, 08:13 PM
I've been tased.... in the training they say less than 5% of people are able to actively resist a "good" application... I believe it.

Best way to fight a taser? Don't get tased. If it's a police officer follow voice commands. If it is a victim of a mugging or worse, pointing that civilian model at you, run away, quit your life of crime. If it is some idiot whose decided "gee, this is a good way to rob people" shoot, stab, or in any other way you can eliminate that threat...

For what it's worth, there are little confetti-like pieces in each taser cartidge... many of them... when one is discharged, they go all over the place... they have a serial number on them... therefore...

Boats
January 4, 2008, 08:34 PM
I would suggest the same method that is used to develop tolerance to other unpleasantries.

Start shocking yourself. It would be a simple matter to build a circuit with the feature of being able to plug in different capacitors to accumulate and release energy suddenly. Just remember to not kill yourself. Over time, one should be able to theoretically build a tolerance to abnormal electrical loads on the body.

Of course learning to shout, "DON'T TASE ME BRO!!!" is a lot more time efficient and probably just as effective.

It would seem the simplest taser defense, at least against the dart type that folks try to shoot center of mass, would be a martial arts chest guard under a loose fitting shirt. Of course, doing so makes you a paranoid nutter.

http://www.martialartssupplies.com/store/image.cgi?path=../gif/items/maspkachgu.jpg&mode=300

opto_isolator
January 4, 2008, 11:35 PM
How to defeat a taser? Why, with taser proof clothing, that's how!

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/11/introducing-tas.html

Riss
January 5, 2008, 12:03 AM
Easy to answer some of his questions. How fast to shoot ? very. How accurate ? Enough to hit you as you are trying to run away. How far? Far enough that if you area a threat, you will not be for long. What can defeat them ? A dead battery. Unit is good for over 1500 cycles of 20 seconds each. Granted that is only a little over 8 hours. But it should do the job. Can you pull the probes out ? Yes. After the unit is done cycling. Taser proof clothing ? Uhhhhhh, nope. Raising your hands, kneeling down and stopping your bad behavior is the only way to avoid the shock should you be foolish enough to piss off the local Five-0.

taliv
January 5, 2008, 12:11 AM
if you ever watch the old "That's Incredible!" show on TV in the 80s, there was a guy who could catch arrows fired from a compound bow shot straight at him from distances as close as 6' or so.

if you spent the next 5 or 6 years practicing catching the darts by the shaft, then you could probably defeat a taser.


:rolleyes:

bensdad
January 5, 2008, 12:13 AM
Like someone else said, not sure if this topic is appropriate. However, I have been tased (voluntarily) and I feel confident that I could at least stay on my feet if I get tased again.

It made me squeal like a little girl and drop to my knees, but now that I know what to expect I think I might be able to handle it. I'm ready willing and able when somebody wants to zap me. I'm not a tough-guy or anything (deathly afraid of mice and rats), I think I might just be in that "5 %".

Others I know who have been tased act like it's the end of the world. One of my neighbors (cop) physically cringes when she talks about being tased.

sm
January 5, 2008, 12:19 AM
Thread reported to Mods folks.

THR does not condone certain discussions.

There are Private Forums, where LEO , Military and Professional members are ID'd and Creds provided where some discussions take place.

There is always "Cell college" though I really don't recommend that institution of learning...

GRB
January 5, 2008, 12:30 AM
Whomever said that clothing cannot defeat a taser is incorrect, that is unless they have new technology in the past few years that can cause electricity to go through non-conductive thick or tough clothing. You can also deflect the darts with non-conductive material. You can also dodge the shot, remain a moving target, just as any good defensive tactics trainer would tell you to do if someone is shooting at you. You can also get behind cover.


It absolutely amazes me that some people here actually believe that such a weapon cannot be defeated, but yet would tell you how to avoid being shot by a pistol or rifle.

As for this not being the right forum in which to discuss this, why not. Are the bad guys so brain dead as to not figure these things out for themselves and discuss it among themselves? If you believe so, you are an easy target for one of them because you underestimate them. I guess it amzes me even more that someone suggested this is not the proper place to discuss this, than it did that some suggest they cannot be defeated because if that was the case, police would be armed with them exclusively.

As for me, this would indeed seem to be the proper forum in which to discuss this topic, in my opinion.

All the best,
Glenn B

Art Eatman
January 5, 2008, 12:32 AM
Bet I can defeat a taser thread, I bet, I bet...

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