Who Makes 8ga Shotguns?


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Gunnerpalace
January 4, 2008, 07:40 PM
Saw the slugs on Remington"s website but who makes them? and If you can include a link.

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Bullet Bob
January 4, 2008, 09:04 PM
As far as I know (an admittedly limited distance), these are used in specialty devices that are used to break the sludge in metal-working kilns, in other words, industrial use only. I'm going from memory here, and may have the kiln type detail off kilter, but I believe the basic idea is correct.

gunman42782
January 4, 2008, 10:44 PM
You are correct, Bullet Bob. I have an old industrial Winchester 8 ga slug, and I was told that is what they are used for.

scout26
January 4, 2008, 10:47 PM
I believe that Remington still does, but as Bullet Bob stated above they are for "Industrial Use Only".

Oldnamvet
January 4, 2008, 11:05 PM
They use them in rotary kiln incinerators to blast up the slag dam that will build near the exit. Otherwise they would have to shut down, cool down, and go in to manually break it up. Sometimes operators "accidently" shoot off the temperature probes as well making a shutdown for maintenance necessary sooner than expected.

VARifleman
January 4, 2008, 11:17 PM
Remington does, as mentioned.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/industrial/

Owen Sparks
January 4, 2008, 11:29 PM
If you look closly at the brass on the industrial slug you will see a belt that prevents them from being chambered in sporting guns that can't handle the pressure.

PeteRR
January 4, 2008, 11:36 PM
Here's a lime kiln in Delta, Utah that I was doing work on.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1620/1012410/6843769/296678784.jpg
They would get a build-up of crushed lime on the inner surface and used the previously mentioned "cannon" to shoot off the crust. When they were shooting they made us shut our equipment off and move back.

SDC
January 4, 2008, 11:39 PM
If you want to go the next step up, Russia is making and using a pair of odd 23mm (about 6 gauge) pump-action shotguns, called the KS-23 and KS-23M ("Special Carbine - 23mm"). These things can be loaded with a variety of rounds, including AP shells and tear-gas, but are said to have a VICIOUS recoil. The 8-gauge industrial guns are usually mounted either on hanging chains or on a pedestal than can be swing in and out of a window.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/KS-23M.jpg

Gunnerpalace
January 5, 2008, 01:05 AM
OK, I thought they made one scope and scale like an 870. Thanks,

Gunnerpalace
January 5, 2008, 01:17 AM
Found more info : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KS-23 or

The KS-23 is a 23 mm (essentially a 4 gauge) Russian semi-auto carbine, behaving in many ways like a shotgun, but firing the rifled 'Barricade' slug. Being this powerful, the KS-23 is known to crack ribs and other bones if fired off the shoulder. Also is used to launch various less-lethal grenade-related weapons. It comes in three models, the fixed-stock KS-23, the folding-stock KS-23M, and the bullpup three round (plus one in chamber), pump-action box magazine-fed KS-23K. The barrels for all KS-23 variants were built for use in 23 mm anti-aircraft guns, but were rejected due to manufacturing flaws. These rejected barrels were deemed to be acceptable for the lower stress of firing slugs and less-lethal rounds, and thus were cut down in length for use as shotgun barrels.

Also available is the (smoothbore) TOZ-123, a civilianized version of the KS-23 in four-gauge.

4 GAUGE! Here's The Round


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/976/2ga001ch2.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2ga001ch2.jpg)

DUDE!

Blakenzy
January 5, 2008, 01:40 AM
What does the gun(cannon) that fires the 4Ga cartridge look like?

Pictures any one?

JohnKSa
January 5, 2008, 01:49 AM
23mm is 6ga as stated in the article quoted by SDC, not 4ga.

The muzzle would accomodate a 1115gr ball of pure lead. 7,000 (grains in a pound) divided by 1115gr = 6.3

So between 6ga and 7ga

A 4ga would have a 27mm (26.7mm) bore.

SDC
January 5, 2008, 08:49 AM
"What does the gun(cannon) that fires the 4Ga cartridge look like?"

From Tula's web-site ( http://www.tulatoz.ru/en/toz123.html );

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/toz-123.jpg

Pretty conventional-looking, only scaled up to Godzilla-size.

I also found a picture of someone holding the full-stock version of the KS-23, at militaryphotos.net; this is big enough as it is, but the TOZ-123 would be about 50% bigger (though it looks like the receivers are made along the same pattern)

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/KS-23scale.jpg

macFarlaine
January 5, 2008, 09:28 AM
Holland&Holland of London will make you a 8 bore.I enquired a few years ago more out of curiosity than actually wanting to purchase one.The price then was in the region of 70,000+vat.Try having a look on the BASC website (in the UK)they have a few large bore shotguns in their collection,including the double barrelled punt gun.
Large bore guns are still used in the UK,mainly for geese,including the 4 and 8.

paintballdude902
January 5, 2008, 09:49 AM
haha i would love to have a puntgun too bad i wouldnt be able to hunt with it

jad0110
January 6, 2008, 02:25 PM
Supposedly, this is a 2 gauge shotgun. Have no idea what it is:


http://brotherhood-of-catfishermen.com/catfish/messages/484/29285.jpg


I think this big boy would dislocate my shoulder!

jameslovesjammie
January 6, 2008, 02:40 PM
Here's a big...BIG shotgun being shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Vt0mr2sjE

Glenn Kelley
January 6, 2008, 05:04 PM
There is a Brit custom builder that makes 2 gauge.I saw an article on him a couple of years ago in Guns and Ammo.The gun was either 34 or 43 lb.They used it for sky busting geese.I believe most of his guns were 8 and 10 gauge.

Glenn

Gunnerpalace
January 6, 2008, 05:38 PM
Now That's what I want!

(In case you have not figured it out I like loud and obnoxious things)
(That's why I love the 4th)

MCgunner
January 6, 2008, 07:27 PM
Just what a guy needs for steel shot laws. Should extend range a bit, eh? :D

verb0s
January 8, 2008, 03:34 AM
googled 2 gauge shotgun. Instea,d I found a 4 gauge shotgun

http://gunroom.shootingsportsman.com/listing/291

4 gauge. thats really big gun. also 50k isn't going to be cheap. Had no idea they're still on the market.

TCW
January 8, 2008, 03:41 AM
A 2 gauge shotgun with a pistol grip would be sweet. You could hold one in each hand! :D

verb0s
January 8, 2008, 03:53 AM
that's stupid. a two 2 gauge guns' recoil would leave you without arms. And about 20 feet back from where you were before you blew your arms off.

macFarlaine
January 8, 2008, 05:30 AM
I think a 2 bore was genrally regarded as a punt gun.4 bores were also converted into punt guns.Try googling Colin Willock,for his hunting stories with a punt gun and the manufacture of said gun.
I would dread to think of what would happen when using a two bore as a shoulder gun,firing a 4 bore is enough for me.

Big Az Al
January 8, 2008, 10:57 AM
http://www.winchester.com/industrial/8_gauge/ringblaster.aspx

It looks to be an over sized Martinin action, 8 guage, makes some nasty hot work A fair bit easier.

Even without figuring recoil, it is to heavy to try to handhold and fire!

McCall911
January 8, 2008, 12:46 PM
Four and eight bore shotguns apparently still have somewhat of a following in Britain:

http://www.wildfowling.co.uk/magazine/bigbore.htm

TCW
January 9, 2008, 01:34 AM
"that's stupid. a two 2 gauge guns' recoil would leave you without arms. And about 20 feet back from where you were before you blew your arms off."

Yea, but think of the awesome firepower you'd have! ;)

Matt304
January 9, 2008, 02:16 AM
Yea, but think of the awesome firepower you'd have!

If you happened to fall off of a cliff, you could shoot them straight down to stop your fall. ;)

I want to know more about these russian TOZs. Where can a price list be found at? Are they available here in the US? I'm wondering what they charge on their 4-bore, if it is economical like some of their models.

Gunnerpalace
January 9, 2008, 04:34 PM
What you would have to do is contact one of Tula's US distributors, see what they could do, I only see 2 real issues here,

1. The ATF calling it a destructive device,

2. Finding Ammo,

I consider 2 the real problem as I have never seen a 4ga shell for sale I could see someone making them (for 20.00 a pop).
Sorry I forgot the Third issue,

Recoil, this might break something if you are not careful.

All things considered it would be an awesome range toy. :D

macFarlaine
January 9, 2008, 05:21 PM
I still have 4bore shells reloaded,they are mainly Eley paper cases,although I have some Holland&Holland one's.To load with Bismuth is just over $40 each.To load a Punt Gun shell we are now looking at $90,but you need a loader you can trust with your life.Some loaders are now refusing to load anything bigger than a 8bore.

Teppo Oni
October 30, 2009, 01:13 AM
there is a rich big guy on youube with a 4ga double
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lhTqWOS5Y&feature=related
hooting the Mighty 4 Bore Double Rifle!2000gr jacketed bullets that are 1" in diamater(100 Caliber) also called a 4 gauge
85$ per shot
i wanted to build a 8ga ind mag single 8ga 3.25in

scythefwd
October 30, 2009, 05:01 AM
here is a 4 bore you could play with. I love how it sounds like a morter when he loads that thing. SHUNK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHfzdQ8HWoI

outdoorscubaman
November 5, 2011, 04:36 PM
I think a 2 bore was genrally regarded as a punt gun.4 bores were also converted into punt guns.Try googling Colin Willock,for his hunting stories with a punt gun and the manufacture of said gun.
I would dread to think of what would happen when using a two bore as a shoulder gun,firing a 4 bore is enough for me.

If you absolutely had your heart set on shoulder-firing such punishing weapons, I should think that having a trained gunsmith (Sons of Guns) build a high-tech recoil system into the stock would be a must.

451 Detonics
November 5, 2011, 07:40 PM
Commercial/Industrial the Remington 8 gauge might be but if you mount this baby on the bow of your Lund the yuppie in the glitter painted purple bass boat will move out of your honeyhole!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/reloading/masterblaster.jpg

oneounceload
November 5, 2011, 10:50 PM
When we got tired of replacing the Remington 12 gauge guns we used to blow slag off the boiler walls, we went to a tripod-mounted 8 gauge industrial gun - the gun was NOT ours, it was "leased" and we bought the ammo from Winchester

It did a better job and the personnel were not beat up from firing the 12 gauge all day

Stevie-Ray
November 6, 2011, 08:55 PM
Ross Seyfried has an 8 ga Tolley. I remember him talking about it.

Stevie-Ray
November 6, 2011, 09:24 PM
Here's a gentleman who makes the 4 and 2 bores now. His work is quite spectacular. The first post is pics and in the second he talks about the 2 bore. Good stuff!

Pics (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4430619&postcount=141)

2-bore (http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4431036&postcount=148)

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