best concelable 45 auto on the market


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sierramist
January 5, 2008, 12:32 AM
im looking into buying a 45. auto for personal protection, im planing on wearing it in a iwb holster and dont want it to be too big

i've narrowed it down to either the HK USPc 45. or the Glock 36 ( didnt like the feel of the 30), i was wondering what you guys would choose

also if there are any other guns u would recommend feel free to name them.
thanks

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Dustinthewind
January 5, 2008, 12:41 AM
Welcome to THR!

I don,t know how you feel about 1911's, but I would recommend the Colt Defender.

Jimmie
January 5, 2008, 12:50 AM
Commander or 220 Carry

varoadking
January 5, 2008, 12:51 AM
Check out the new Kahr PM45...

sierramist
January 5, 2008, 12:55 AM
what makes these, or any further recommendations, better in your opinion than the glock 36 or USPc

57shooter
January 5, 2008, 01:04 AM
I've had a couple of H&K's, they've been flawless but thick and heavy. I had a Glock 36 but got rid of it because of FTFs and FTEs. I have two Kimber's, a 3" and a 4". Both have been flawless, weigh approx. 24 oz, and are fairly thin.

I recently picked up a S&W MP340, my first revolver. It fits nicely in a soft pocket holster and handles 38 special and 357 magnum. Because it has a steel cylinder it weighs a couple more ounces than most of the airlight/scandium revolvers, just enough to cut down on recoil but not enough to add too much weight to the pocket. So, depending on the situation and what I'm wearing it's either the Kimber Ultra CDP or the S&W. Both go bang every time the trigger is pulled, yet weigh very little, have significant stopping power, and are easy to carry.

sierramist
January 5, 2008, 01:34 AM
u were getting ftf's and fte's with the glock 36?, wow that is defiantly something for me to consider

what grain were u firing with it?

Pilot
January 5, 2008, 02:43 AM
Taurus PT145 Mil Pro. Yes a Taurus. Only one I own.

Jackal
January 5, 2008, 02:49 AM
Check out a Para Ord Warthog. Great little handgun. None of these guns are better than the other, as they all serve the same purpose and complete that purpose in the same way.

Big Boomer
January 5, 2008, 03:15 AM
If you want the best concealable pistol, pick any 1911. It's not the length its how "fat" the gun is. a 1911 just blends away. Also consider this if you are packing an extra mag or 2 those double stack mags stick out there quite a bit.

I have an XD-45 and 2 1911's The 1911's are by far less noticeable. Not that you can decipher one bulge from another, but the bulge is most definitely smaller. The slimmer mags actually are a big difference as well. This is the reason I just picked up my latest 1911 a new TRP ;)

Alan Fud
January 5, 2008, 03:22 AM
The Para C6.45LDA is pretty small -- except mine will only chamber FMJ ammo ... just doesn't like HPs. The C7.45LDA is a bit bigger but will digest HPs.

gbelleh
January 5, 2008, 03:42 AM
I've also been trying to find a concealable .45 for some time now. I have no problem carrying a USP .45 Compact all day long in cold weather months. The USP .45 compact is a great gun, but I have trouble concealing it well enough under only a t-shirt.

The smallest .45s are probably the Taurus PT-145, Kahr .45, or a lightweight commander 1911.

CWL
January 5, 2008, 05:09 AM
Commander sized M1911. Get one with a bobtail cut if you can afford it.

PakWaan
January 5, 2008, 09:07 AM
I went through this a couple months ago, and was looking for a more-concealable 9mm than my Taurus Millennium Pro or my Glock 19.

Surprisingly, the answer was a Colt New Agent 1911 in .45

It's about the same length, but the grips are thinner being single stack, so it doesn't print as much as either my Taurus, Sig or Glock. I had never really considered a 1911 before, but now I'm sold. And the trigger is better than any gun I've ever owned, except maybe my old S&W 686 - that might be a tie.

DAdams
January 5, 2008, 09:46 AM
and to get a different perspective, take a look at some of the .40 caliber specifications. See if you could live with the ballistic performance and round cost differential.
You will see higher capacity and some size difference that might work to your conceal advantage.
Maybe a S&W M&P .40, HK P2000SK etc.
The Colt New Agent does handle nicely, but I haven't gotten to the point of carrying cocked and locked.

KenW.
January 5, 2008, 11:40 AM
I REALLY like my Colt Defender.

Claude Clay
January 5, 2008, 11:55 AM
+1 on the defender.
except----my Ct lawyer friend told me that to represent me if i shot BG with a pure SA his fee goes from 30K to 50K. so i now carry (mostly) a 642 BUG & p239 in 40 IWB or pt145 ( winter).

1911RjB
January 5, 2008, 12:06 PM
+1 Para Ord Warthog... lots of diffrent models to choose from

KenW.
January 5, 2008, 12:19 PM
my Ct lawyer friend told me that to represent me if i shot BG with a pure SA his fee goes from 30K to 50K. so i now carry (mostly) a 642 BUG & p239 in 40 IWB or pt145 ( winter).

You need a new lawyer, and for it to be a "good" shoot.

dirty dave
January 5, 2008, 12:24 PM
Para C6.All the same saftys of a 1911,mine eats eveything.

tblt
January 5, 2008, 12:25 PM
why 45???????????????

sierramist
January 5, 2008, 12:28 PM
because it makes bigger holes :D

i figure that if i ever use the gun to take down a BG i might only have time for 1 maybe 2 shots, i want the have the most power i can in those shots.


ADD: the glock 36 is single stack , so for everyone who is saying thickness is what really counts, its thinner than allot of the 1911's

mikkeeh
January 5, 2008, 12:35 PM
I have a G36...never had a problem with it, but I dont like it for carry. Too fat. Its virtually the same size as my G19...granted only 9mm ...but with a mag capacity of 17 it makes up for it. So if Im in the mood to carry a Glock...its usually my 19

My everyday carry is a Kimber Ulta Carry. Slim, lightweight, and 100% reliable. Cant ask for more than that.

If you go to the 1911, make sure you're OK carrying in Condition One....ie. cocked and locked. Some folks dont feel comfortable with that...so its wise to decide before you buy.

Just my 2 cents.

Baba Louie
January 5, 2008, 12:42 PM
Not knowing how tall (or small) thin (or wide) you are and it might be germaine (then again might not), but me, being 5'-10" tall and weighing 185 lbs, have CCW'd (IWB) the following .45's: Taurus 945, S&W 457, Colt Commander, Defender & Glock 30. The Glock and the 457 are the widest slide/barrel. The Glock the thickest grip of the lot. The Colt Defender being easiest to carry (small, lightwgt and thin), the Taurus my favorite (DA/SA & C&L, SA) due to versatility and price point.

All concealed well under western style vest, overshirt or untucked golf/polo shirt.

fencer1960
January 5, 2008, 02:54 PM
ADD: the glock 36 is single stack , so for everyone who is saying thickness is what really counts, its thinner than allot of the 1911's

You might want to double check that. I've owned 2 Glocks, a 17 and a 19, neither of which was thinner than a 1911. The dimension to check is the slide width. Every 1911 I've handled has been thinner in the slide. It doesn't look like much, but it makes a very noticeable difference when you carry inside the waistband. I gave up carrying Glocks and P99s over this issue.

I think the Kahrs may be as slim as a 1911, maybe even slimmer. I would recommend that you test drive the gun/holster combo you are considering if at all possible.

True story. I had a P99, loved it. Bought a Milt Sparks IWB holster for it, fairly high dollar. Good holster, as all of that company's are. Hated the combination. Just hated it. The combined width of the holster and pistol on a good belt felt as if it was sticking out a yard. It wasn't, really, but I was never confident that my pistol was properly concealed. So I sold the P99 and got a Para 1911 and a Crossbreed holster. The difference was night and day. Now I'm not pushing the 1911 particularly here... there's other skinny guns out there... just the notion that a slim pistol can make or break IWB carry.

usp9
January 5, 2008, 03:11 PM
For small and light it's hard to beat the Kahr line of 45 acp pistols. From the tiny PM45, the P45 to the larger TP45, you get a slim, reliable package, easy to conceal, smaller than the Glock and much smaller than the HK. However, HK reliability is tops. It comes at the cost of size and weight, as the HK USPc is not a small firearm.

I own both HKs and Kahrs. I am comfortable using either as my CCW. Currently I'm toting a P45 and find it extremely easy to carry, easier than my HK. Glocks are quality pistols but I prefer other brands.

mustachio
January 5, 2008, 04:26 PM
A good used S&W 457 will do just fine, mine does. Here' a pic with a S&W 908.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg79/mustachio/IMG_1974.jpg

tblt
January 5, 2008, 04:33 PM
you might get a beeter follow up shot with say a 9 mm + P AND IT MIGHT JUST EXPAND TO 5/8 OF AN INCH(.625) instead of just put a 45. cal hole thru.also if it expands and does not go thru,the bad guy would have absorbed all the bullets energy.

mikkeeh
January 5, 2008, 05:59 PM
ADD: the glock 36 is single stack , so for everyone who is saying thickness is what really counts, its thinner than allot of the 1911's
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Although the G36 and the 1911's are single stacks....the 1911 is significantly thinner.

A quick measurement of the mag width = G36 = 0.83
1911 = 0.53

Slide width = G19 1.01

1911 0.89
The slide width on the G36 is identical to the G19.

I find a 1911 is much more comfortable in a IWB holster. BUT...much depends on the holster, the belt, and the individual wearing it.

If you plan to carry OWB....width doesn't make much difference.

I like Glocks.....just not for concealed carry.

The Lone Haranguer
January 5, 2008, 06:47 PM
Second the S&W 457.

Perhaps it is not the best - that is your call - but it is a good gun.

pogo2
January 5, 2008, 06:50 PM
I am sold on the Colt Defender after owning one for about 1-1/2 years and putting 700 rounds through it without a problem. The gun is quite thin for easy concealment, either IWB or OWB. It weighs 25 ounces empty. I generally carry OWB in a Kramer horsehide belt scabbard.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/ColtDefender30.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/pogo2/ColtDefenderKramer-1.jpg

sierramist
January 5, 2008, 06:58 PM
im pretty new to firearms and have allot to learn
and at the risk of incurring the wrath of 90% of this forum...
im getting allot of 1911 recommendations, its been 100 years, are you telling me that there hasn't been a better design for 100 years

i have read the thr threads about the 1911 being outdated, and im just trying to make sure that even though its been 100 years, u guys still think this is the best ccw choice out there

if i just said something incredibly stupid or offended u im sorry and im in no way trying to disparage an American icon and defender of freedom. i hope i dont get flamed beyond recognition ;)

DENALI
January 5, 2008, 07:09 PM
It's a no-brainer, the G-36 is the most size efficient durable reliable ccw ever placed in the hand of man..........or woman....

10-Ring
January 5, 2008, 07:12 PM
I've owned the Glock 36 & just couldn't get use to the short grip :o My preference would be w/ the HK :D

modifiedbrowning
January 5, 2008, 07:18 PM
Bersa Thunder .45 Ultracompact.
www.bersafirearmsusa.com

pogo2
January 5, 2008, 07:33 PM
Sierramist said:
I'm getting a lot of 1911 recommendations, its been 100 years, are you telling me that there hasn't been a better design for 100 years?

I have read the thr threads about the 1911 being outdated, and I'm just trying to make sure that even though its been 100 years, you guys still think this is the best ccw choice out there?

The internal combustion engine was invented 100 years ago and most of us are still using it.

It is clear that not everybody feels the 1911 design is outdated or inadequate. If you like variety, the 1911 has been modified to have polymer frames (Kimber, Wilson, etc.), double action triggers (Para Ordnance), aluminum frames and barrel lengths from 3 inches to 6 inches.

You said you wanted a slim .45 for IWB carry and easy concealment, and the 1911 fits that spec. But you can get a Glock 36 or Kahr P45 if that suits you better.

LT1coupe
January 5, 2008, 07:45 PM
I have a Taurus PT145SS & have tried to find reasons not to like it so I can go out & buy one of the pretty guns. I can't! It shoots very well, feels great in my hand & has been 100% reliable. I don't know of another 45 that small & light with 10 + 1 capacity. They are available for under $350 new so you don't have to be too concerned about holster wear etc :)
Somebody asked why a 45? the ammo is readily available & unlike most other calibers, you don't need exotic ammo to make them effective.

orionengnr
January 5, 2008, 07:45 PM
im getting allot (sic) of 1911 recommendations, its been 100 years, are you telling me that there hasn't been a better design for 100 years

"Better" is subjective, and you will reach your own conclusions on that in due time. There have certainly been a lot of different designs in the last 100 years...

The 1911 has not merely survived nearly 100 years, it has thrived, and the number of 1911 manufacturers and 1911 buyers is enormous. There are a lot of reasons for that.

Pilot
January 5, 2008, 07:47 PM
im getting allot of 1911 recommendations, its been 100 years, are you telling me that there hasn't been a better design for 100 years

It all depends on what YOU shoot the best. It may be the 1911, and it may not. In general, most designs you will be considering are based on the John Browning locking mechanism design. I don't care if its Glock, HK or Sig. Its the same design.

The Colt Lightweight Commander XSE is an excellent choice in a 1911 styled CCW piece, but other companies make a similar or smaller pistol.

Dr_2_B
January 6, 2008, 12:35 AM
I own the following:

Para C-6 - Definitely the smallest, but I can't get 100% reliability from the thing
Glock 30 - A little thick, but I carry it mostly
Glock 36 - Nice and thin, but I just like double-digit rounds available
Taurus PT145 - The best ergonomics and size-efficiency I've ever found, really

When I asked myself which of the above I would reach for if I heard something go bump in the night and I were scared, I realized it would be a Glock. So even with these choices and about a dozen others, I realize I trust the Glock so there's just no reason to carry anything else.

PakWaan
January 6, 2008, 01:14 AM
More manufacturers make 1911's than any other semi-auto pistol design.........

jon_in_wv
January 6, 2008, 01:14 AM
In the area of compact 45s I have heard very few criticisms of the Taurus Pt-145 and 745 Pro. They are apparently accurate, light, and very reliable. I carry an M&P 9C. I'm learning that toting it IWB is a bit of a pain because of the bulk of the slide. I carry it in a Comptac CTAC holster and it is a very slim rig but I am seriously considering switching to my Combat Commander as my carry gun. It is much slimmer in the slide but it is a bit longer on the grip which will make it print a bit more. The shorter grip of the M&P conceals very nicely under a t-Shirt in the summer. My personal recommendation would be to get a Taurus 745 Mil-Pro. Carry it IWB in a thin kydex holster and carry the single stack reload in your front pocket.

MICHAEL T
January 6, 2008, 02:06 AM
Concealable 45 is a 1911 I perfer in order a Colt Agent , Defender , Colt Officer acp. Agent and Defender just a little bigger than a PPK/S and slighty thicker .
All of mine a 100% relieable and IWB disappear.

TheReeves
January 6, 2008, 02:15 AM
Colt Defender with slim grips (mine has Alumagrips). I carry IWB/SOB and usually just wear Tshirts or light jackets/hoodies. Have no problem carrying it the same way throughout the summer wearing khaki shorts/Tshirts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/stlmkiiisupra/Guns/IMG_2271.jpg

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