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ZeSpectre
January 6, 2008, 10:41 AM
Went to the outdoor range last week and saw something really impressive. Young guy (maybe 24) shows up with a beat up old canvas duffel bag and pulls out a Hi-Point .380 that had some sort of compensator on the front. I've never really paid attention to Hi-Point so I didn't even know such a thing existed (learn something new ever day I guess).

Then he pulls out about a gazillion pre-loaded magazines (seriously I think he had 20 or 30 of the 10 round mags) and a bunch of plastic 20oz soda bottles which he places down range. We call the firing line HOT and .... I got to watch one of the most impressive live displays of pistol marksmanship I've ever seen.

At anywhere from 30 to 75 feet this guy was popping the soda bottles every time and a few times when they "skipped" up into the air he hit 'em again while they were still arcing through the air! I think he might have missed a total of about 3 times while I was watching.

I set up the "Balloon Challenge" (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=302621) and asked him if he wanted to shoot it, he said "sure" and got the first AND SECOND perfect score I've seen so far! This guy was absolutely AMAZING!

Real nice guy too. We were chatting while packing up and he said the only guns he had were the Hi-Point and a .22 Savage rifle and he'd only been shooting for about a year! (after that I didn't want to talk to him any more :evil:...<just kidding>).

Some seriously impressive natural ability (and the Hi-Point ran fine the whole time).

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NGIB
January 6, 2008, 10:51 AM
I truly try never to be a gun snob as some folks can't afford the $1000 pistol and still afford ammo to shoot with. Don't know I'd ever buy a Hi-Point but I see them at my range all the time and they do go bang when the trigger is pulled. I wish I had an outdoor range nearby as shooting the soda bottles and milk jugs was great fun as I remember...

finfanatic
January 6, 2008, 10:57 AM
I've been looking at one of those Hi-Point 9mm Carbines.

At under $200 the pistols might be worth a look too.

The range I use is outdoor.

There seem to be ALOT of folks that like to shoot clay pigeons that frequent this range.

KJK200
January 6, 2008, 11:07 AM
They say "don't fear the man with a hundred guns--fear the man with only one because he WILL KNOW HOW TO USE IT!"
I guess it must be true in his case.

But I still want to keep all my guns!

ZeSpectre
January 6, 2008, 11:10 AM
"don't fear the man with a hundred guns--fear the man with only one because he WILL KNOW HOW TO USE IT!"

Sure was true this time!

Titus
January 6, 2008, 11:40 AM
I believe what they say about most guns being more accurate than most shooters. Some folks take to it easier than others, but with some conscientious practice, most folks can learn to shoot better at longer distances than they think.

Walkalong
January 6, 2008, 01:44 PM
It's like Chipper Jones vs us hitting a 95 MPH fastball with a tail on it. Some folks just have unbelievable talent for something, like baseball or shooting. My two loves.

Jerry Miculek, among others, for example. Humbles us mere mortals. All we can say is WOW, because we know we can't do it.

SeanSw
January 6, 2008, 02:51 PM
A $130 gun and 20-30 loaded magazines? I think this man had the right equation for learning to shoot.

I believe that training will overcome much and even the worst natural shooter could be trained to a highly competent level. I also believe that there are gifted people who need very little training to reach high levels of proficiency. After 3 years of shooting, thousands of dollars spent on ammo, memberships, hundreds of hours spent reading and dry firing, and I am still beat on my best day by a girlfriend who is the latest in a long line of champion shooters. No training, no preparation, no familiarity with the firearms. Just a rock steady grip and an unflinching hand.

strat81
January 6, 2008, 03:19 PM
Jerry Miculek, among others, for example. Humbles us mere mortals. All we can say is WOW, because we know we can't do it.
Showed my wife a Miculek video from You Tube. After she picked her jaw up off the floor she just kept muttering "Impossible."

1911 guy
January 6, 2008, 03:33 PM
My only gripe with Hi-Point is their ugliness and block-like shape. I know someone who shoots a carbine and it's never failed to go "bang" and is reasonable accurate. Maybe, just maybe, the fellow has hands that fit the Hi-Point well and he genuinely likes it. With shooting like that, who am I to argue?

Carl N. Brown
January 6, 2008, 03:33 PM
My gun dealer (combat vet, farmer, shoots most of the meat he and his
wife eat) put it this way.
Your shooting budget is 400.00 What do you buy?
He recommended buying a 150.00 Nagant or Mauser and 250.00 ammo.
He said the guys who buy a 380.00 gun and a 20.00 box of ammo are
wasting their money.

CrawdaddyJim
January 6, 2008, 03:40 PM
A corvette in the driveway will always lose to the beater on the track....

I wonder why he chose .380 as that is more expensive than .22?

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