[MicroBalrog]

I have been told that the Israeli Jericho 941 is not based on the Desert Eagle, but on something called a Tanfoglio. Is that true?

And if yes, why do they call it a Baby Eagle?

[Zundfolge]

IIRC, the Jericho frames where built for IMI by Tangfolo in Italy (They are sold in the US under the name Witness and are based on the CZ75).

IMI formed a partnership with Magnum Research for the Desert Eagle, so the Jericho is marketed in the US under the name Baby Eagle (it is also sold as the Uzi Eagle).

[MicroBalrog]

But who invented the Jericho action?

[nemesis]

CZ

[caz223]

Yup, jericho based on the witness.
Witness is based on the CZ75.
The cz75 may/may not be based on the hi-power.
The hi-power...

[MicroBalrog]

And the Desert Eagle has what to do with it?

[caz223]

Edited out bad info.
This whole thing IS confusing.
They are all in bed together.

[MicroBalrog]

So the Desert Eagle is based off the Jericho?

[Zundfolge]

IMI = Isreaeli Military Industries

Magnum Research = either designer of or just importer of IMI Desert Eagle


I found this bit on the history or Magnum Research http://www.zvis.com/dep/dephist.shtml


The Baby Eagle is just the name that IMI sells the Jericho under when they sell here in the US (and I believe that Magnum Research acts as their importer).


Everyone knows the Desert Eagle, so they expect to sell them better with the "Eagle" name (that and the front dust cover made to look like a DE ... frankly the main reason I like the Baby Eagle).

Other then the name, and the aforementioned dust cover, the Desert Eagle (which is a gas operated pistol designed to fire rimmed revolver cartridges) and the Jericho/Baby Eagle/Uzi Eagle have nothing in common design wise.

[MicroBalrog]

The first working prototype was ready by 1981, however problems with cycling/feeding made MRI to look for outsiders help. Such help was soon found - IMI(Isreaeli Military Industry). So in 1983 the first Desert Eagle was produced & sold, chambered for .357 magnum

[Zundfolge]

BTW, I've handled one of the polymer Baby Eagles and was unimpressed. However I fired one of the steel .45 Baby Eagles and I really liked it.

[MicroBalrog]

So the Desert Eagle is not based on the Jericho.

Why are they so similar in looks?

[Zundfolge]

I'd say the reason they look so much alike is pure marketing ... they front dust cover on the Jericho looks like the Desert Eagle because it looks cool.

[Spackler]

The similar look is for marketing purposes.

Ah - great minds think alike.

[MicroBalrog]

Zundfolge: DE fans claim they are also internally similar IIRC.

[Zundfolge]

DE fans that claim the internals of a Jericho/Baby Eagle/Uzi Eagle are even remotly similar to the DE are silly little Counter Strike fans who know nothing about firearms out here in the real world :neener:


They are complete different actions. The Desert Eagle is a gas operated design (like an M16 or a H&K P7) the Jericho are basic browning type actions like 99% of the autopistols made in the world. Basically they are a dressed up CZ75s.


I'll be honest, if I had to depend on one of them for my life I'd leave the DE at home even though it fires very powerful cartridges ... the Jericho is a serious combat weapon whereas the DE is a toy and a hunting weapon.

[MicroBalrog]

DE fans that claim the internals of a Jericho/Baby Eagle/Uzi Eagle are even remotly similar to the DE are silly little Counter Strike fans who know nothing about firearms out here in the real world


The guy who told me saw was a cop and carried a Jericho 941.:confused:

[Zundfolge]

we've had many discussions about how many cops can't shoot and don't know anything about guns.

Being a cop doesn't make one a firearms expert. I'm sure he heard what he told you somewhere and hasn't picked up a DE to verify it.

[Zundfolge]

I did a little digging and came up with a cutaway pic of a Desert Eagle ... I'll see if I can find one of a Jericho/Baby Eagle/Uzi Eagle or even a CZ75 so you can see the difference

http://www.dentrinity.com/NelsonChen/Collection/pistol/DE50/tech_cutaway.gif

[Zundfolge]

Okay, here's a CZ 75 (inside a Jericho and CZ 75 are almost identical)

http://www.onlineavcilik.com/czana.jpg

[MicroBalrog]

Thank you. Now I'm TOTALLY CONFUSED.:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Zundfolge]

Sorry ... those pics may not have been as helpful as I thought.


The basic thing is, the DE is a gas operated pistol with a fixed barrel. In other words the gasses in the barrel from firing are chaneled down through a little hole and push back a piston which in turn pushes the action back, chambers another round and resets the hammer. In the DE the barrel never moves ... its basicaly pressed into the frame, with the Jericho the barrel floats (like most semi auto pistols).

The Jericho uses a Browning style delayed blowback ... in other words the explosion of the powder in the bullet pushes the action back and cycles the action and resets the hammer.

[caz223]

Witness 9mm, cz75b in 9mm, jericho 941 in 9mm, and baby eagle in 9mm are so close in design that the barrels interchange for the most part.
CZ made the CZ75.
EAA imports the witness, made by tanfoglio.
The Jericho is assembled in Israel by IMI, imported to the U.S. by KBI, Inc.
The Baby Eagle is imported to the U.S. from Israel by Magnum Research.
The UZI Eagle, imported to the U.S. from Israel by UZI America (Mossberg).
Magnum research builds desert eagles.
Magnum research contracted IMI's help in designing desert eagles.
Tanfoglio makes parts for most of the above guns, except CZs.

If you see a CZ75, baby eagle, and a jericho side by side, you'll get it.
If you work the actions of the desert eagle, and baby eagle side by side, you'll see they are nothing alike, mechanically.
I read over my info, and most of it's wrong, editing to correct.
Done editing out crap.
See what I mean when I said that they're all in bed together?

[hksw]

Zundfolge pretty much summed it up.

The Desert Eagle and the Baby Eagle have nothing in common other than the word 'Eagle' in their name and their link to IMI/Isreal. Purely a marketing exercise with the recognizable gun name word 'Eagle'. Desert Eagle - magnum calibers, single stack mag, gas operated, single action, Baby Eagle - normal non-mag calibers, double stack mag, recoil oporated, DA/SA action. I cannot recall, at this time, a single part (including screws, springs, etc.) between the two that is interchangable.

Just treat them as what they are, two different gun platforms with nothing in common.

[PCRCCW]

Man...Im actually glad Im missed this one until now. For the guy who has a friend who is a cop that thinks the DE and BE are pretty much the same gun inside.......well thats been covered.
Ask him if a Glock and 1911 are the same also :scrutiny: :rolleyes:
Shoot well.........................:D

[Zundfolge]

I just noticed what might be percieved as an "anti DE" tone in some of my posts.

Believe it or not I'm a big fan of the DE and would love to add one to the arsenel (only I lack the funds ... plus there a long list of expensive guns ahead of it ... the HK P7 for one).

I am annoyed by how Hollyweird and video games make the DE out to be the Uberpistol (when a S&W customshop .357mag with the 8 round cyl would be better in a SD/combat situation). Its not a combat or self defense weapon, its a sporting weapon (much like you wouldn't use a Hammerli 280 for self defense ... of course thats for other reasons)

The DE is also one of those guns that idiots that like to pretend to be experts seem to love to ramble on and on about (especially on the Internet) and Counterstrike players in general annoy me (I prefer Infiltration ... thats a whole other thread in itself ;) ).

If you have the chance to shoot a DE, DO IT! Regardless of caliber they are great shooters and very accurate and a lot of fun (one of the sales reps for a supplier for a company I used to work for had one in .357mag ... he let me shoot it and it was a blast!). If you find one at a good price BUY IT ... you won't shoot it every time you go to the range, but it would be nice to have in the colleciton.

[Feanaro]

Nothing really to throw in except that I had the chance to fire one, in .40 SW. I thought it was a nice weapon, better than a USP even. *hides from HK fans*

[PCRCCW]

I shoot a Desert Eagle 50 on a regular basis...and they are AMAZING shooters. We have 2 barrels....6" with a red dot and a 10" with a scope....both barrels and the rest of the setup was sent to Tripp Research for Hard Chrome......
It takes the abuse of EVIL RELOADS :evil: quite well........these are well in 454 Casull energy levels and will get MORE than enough attention.

Weve actually been asked not to shoot the gun w/ the Evil rnds. at a local indoor range.....seems a couple of newbies may have wet themselves.......
Seriously..............:scrutiny:

Shoot well

[MoNsTeR]

The CZ-75 and Baby Eagle/Jericho are so similar that they even make the same sound when you rack or drop the slide :D

[dleong]

Yup, jericho based on the witness.
Witness is based on the CZ75.
The cz75 may/may not be based on the hi-power.
The hi-power...
... is based on the Hi Point! :D

DL

[George Hill]

Dleong - you made Mt Dew come out my nose.
:cuss:
:D

Micro, if you have any questions about the two eagles... desert or baby... just pick them up. Hold them in your hands. You will soon realize that they are related by name only. There are no "genetic" links.