Verdict on Waves?


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Jason_G
January 9, 2008, 08:46 PM
So, what do those of you that have experience with the wave knives have to say about them? Are they any faster than a standard folder that you're practiced with? I'm quite taken with the looks of that Emerson CQC-7, but I'd have to find one on e-bay or something. I'm not about to shell out $200 for a folder unless it is a one-of-a-kind custom with some nice Damascus. If others can afford it, then more power to ya, but my cotton's not that tall. I know Spyderco has some too. What do y'all think about them (waves in general)?

Jason

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esheato
January 9, 2008, 09:14 PM
Love 'em.

Comes out of the pocket ready to use.

highorder
January 9, 2008, 09:20 PM
IMO, the Benchmade 940 Osborne Axis is the finest folding knife available. They will set you back a few dollars, but I think its well worth it.

Many designs can be opened in an instant, but nothing closes like an Axis. (this clip is an axis, but not the sleek 940. the action is the same)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXr0dNXWsg

Valkman
January 9, 2008, 09:58 PM
I like the Wave - look for a Commander for about $150 or cheaper maybe.

357wheelgunner
January 9, 2008, 10:24 PM
The wave is amazing, it's like having a fixed blade drawn from your pocket, it's that fast. It seems very reliable with a little practice.

Charles S
January 9, 2008, 11:42 PM
The wave is amazing, it's like having a fixed blade drawn from your pocket, it's that fast. It seems very reliable with a little practice.

I really like it as an option.

The wave also will open bottles in a pinch.

I have found them to be quite tough on my pockets over time.

Again a great option.

poor_richard
January 10, 2008, 09:08 AM
Nothing is faster than the Wave. Both Emerson and Spyderco make great knives. The Spyderco's are cheaper than the Emersons, but still have very good quality. Some people don't like the Spyderco's because the feel that the Fiber Re-enforced Nylon (FRN) has a "plastic" feel to it. Those people usually prefer G-10 for a handle material. I have both Emerson and Spyderco. If your budget minded, go with the Spyderco as it's about half the price of the Emerson. The Endura4/Delica4 Waved are great knives, and there is also the Waved Rescue.

cracked butt
January 10, 2008, 11:08 AM
I love the wave feature. I just wish the endura-4, if the endura-4 came with a flat ground blade, it would be almost perfect.

highorder
January 10, 2008, 11:29 AM
Nothing is faster than the Wave.

I'll take that bet! ;)

have you ever handled the Benchmade Axis? Personally, I'll take something that closes as easy as it opens over a simple lock-back with a gimick that snags my trousers.

Notto mention the strength of the Axis over a lock-back or liner lock. I'm not bashing Spyderco's fine product, but I don't even see a comparison. The Axis is superior to the Wave in every way.

hso
January 10, 2008, 11:46 AM
Don't like'm.

poor_richard
January 10, 2008, 01:17 PM
I'll take that bet!

have you ever handled the Benchmade Axis? Personally, I'll take something that closes as easy as it opens over a simple lock-back with a gimick that snags my trousers.

Notto mention the strength of the Axis over a lock-back or liner lock. I'm not bashing Spyderco's fine product, but I don't even see a comparison. The Axis is superior to the Wave in every way.Didn't say the Wave was better than the Axis. I only said that it's faster. I guess I should have clarified that it's "faster to open, not close". I'm not really interested in how easy a knife closes.

BTW:
While it's much easier to learn an Axis, with practice one can open and close a mid-lock Endura as fast. In both cases one just holds the lock in the disengaged position while "flicking" the knife.

cracked butt
January 10, 2008, 02:06 PM
I'll take that bet!

have you ever handled the Benchmade Axis? Personally, I'll take something that closes as easy as it opens over a simple lock-back with a gimick that snags my trousers.

Notto mention the strength of the Axis over a lock-back or liner lock. I'm not bashing Spyderco's fine product, but I don't even see a comparison. The Axis is superior to the Wave in every way.


Do the axis lock knives open fast with a reverse grip as well?

JShirley
January 10, 2008, 03:30 PM
I like the Waved Spydercos for carry on IBA in Speed Dialer sheaths.

Otherwise, I'd prefer a regular Spyderco Native, Endura, or Delica. I actually am carrying a G10 Spyderco (Dodo) today, but I rarely use the G10 versions because they destroy pants.

John

highorder
January 10, 2008, 03:37 PM
Do the axis lock knives open fast with a reverse grip as well?

absolutely.

I take it you've never handled one? Take a look at the short video I posted above. (the reverse open is near the end.) I am starting to feel like I have derailed this thread, but the Axis is just that much better than anything else I have EVER owned, used or laid eyes on. Even though it is faster than anything else, thats not the important part. The design of the Axis is so beautifully simple that it makes any lock-back seem like a pointy stick!

which is still quite dangerous ;)



EDIT:

If you like the Wave, for whatever reason (action, styling, ergonomics, etc.) by all means buy one. In no way am I trying to say that you shouldn't buy whatever you want. This is America. FWIW, it appears that the Benchmade Axis, and both the Spyderco and Emerson Wave lines are ALL made in the USA!

Mandirigma
January 10, 2008, 03:52 PM
Nothing is faster than the Wave.

My fixed blades are... :) I got to play "Fast draw" with a couple of friends that have waved knives.

Generally carry two. K-bit iwb w/static cord retention device. Tanto at 12 o'clock in leather. They did beat me a few times with the tanto until I rigged a couple of stays (the leather sheath slid 3-4" before you could start to draw, easy enough to fix with a couple rubber bands on your belt)

Thier only response was well its fast for a folder. I agree it is pretty fast. I just lost my faith in folders a year or so back.

cracked butt
January 10, 2008, 06:54 PM
Take a look at the short video I posted above. (the reverse open is near the end.)

I didn't even notice the opening in the ending the first time I watched it. It does look really slick.

highorder
January 10, 2008, 08:47 PM
get your hands on one of the many Axis models. you might like them.

I prefer the 941 Osborne.

mercop
January 10, 2008, 11:54 PM
Depends, what do you plan on using it for? Self defense or as a utility knife.

Coyote3855
January 11, 2008, 11:42 AM
I bought a Spyderco Endura Wave. Didn't fit my carry style. I ended up grinding the "wave" feature off the blade. I carry a large folder clipped IWB just ahead of my right front pocket. I've carried a Spyderco Endura and Native, a CRKT M16, a Kershaw Leek, and a Benchmade Mini Ruckus.

The wave feature on the Spyderco would catch on my clothes and open the knife when I was taking off or putting on my pants, and would hang up on my pants and open too soon when I took it out to use it.

Carried as Emerson intended - in a pocket - probably works for most folks.

The only issue with the Wave, if you're thinking tactical, is that the momentum of deployment is towards the rear, not a great thing if you are reacting to a threat in front of you.

Coyote

Joe Demko
January 11, 2008, 12:00 PM
Tried one. I'll pass.

MostlyGenius
January 12, 2008, 07:50 PM
A couple of observations:

The only time you are going to be able to wave-open you knife is if you are standing.

The wave might open faster if you have your hand on it, and have positioned correctly in your pocket, but I don't know that it is appreciably faster to draw and get a cut on the target.

The wave draw stroke moves the knife away from the target - so it creates a lot of extraneous motion.

Sans Authoritas
January 12, 2008, 08:38 PM
I love my Wave. I got it for $20, believe it or not. I wouldn't have one otherwise.

My only complaint is that it's a pain to sharpen and keep sharp due to the hardness of the steel. Other than that, it's adjustable: you can loosen the mechanism to allow it to be an inertial open, if you are so inclined. I find that it's faster to pull the knife from my pocket without using the Wave feature. I can open it with one hand with a little practice on the flick. The lock is solid, and the blade is easy and safe to close one-handed.

Boats
January 12, 2008, 09:16 PM
It's a jeans pocket ripping modification designed for a fantasy scenario.

It is not faster than a well practiced AXIS, balisong, or even a well adjusted Spyderhole draw.

The thing that makes waved knives so attractive to so many is just how badly most thumb stud systems suck.

highorder
January 12, 2008, 09:19 PM
It's a jeans pocket ripping modification designed for a fantasy scenario.

It is not faster than a well practiced AXIS, balisong, or even a well adjusted Spyderhole draw.


I was starting to think I was the only one...

Try the Axis, I have never seen someone that didn't like it after 15 minutes.

waterhouse
January 12, 2008, 09:22 PM
I could live with it or without it. The knife does open pretty much automatically as I take it out of my pocket, and it is handy for opening bottles as well. On the other hand, I've never had a problem quickly opening any Spydercos or Benchmades or Emersons that don't have the wave, and the wave feature is pretty hard on pockets.

I guess overall I like it, but I wouldn't let it be a deciding factor in my future buying.

357wheelgunner
January 13, 2008, 03:16 PM
The Axis is superior to the Wave in every way.



Where's that article about the cop who lost a few fingers because the axis button was under his thumb, and he mistakenly disengaged it in a heated moment?

I bet he'd disagree.

I don't want any knife with a lock button directly under my fingers. I'll take a liner lock anyday, they're very safe and secure WHEN FULLY ENGAGED. Every story I've read about liner lock problems was the result of either the lock not being fully engaged or the knife being cheap junk in the first place. A quality liner is very solid, much safer than the axis.

Mandirigma
January 13, 2008, 05:07 PM
I'll take a liner lock anyday, they're very safe and secure WHEN FULLY ENGAGED. Every story I've read about liner lock problems was the result of either the lock not being fully engaged or the knife being cheap junk in the first place.

I have to disagree, I've had liner locks fully engaged fold on me. I've had axis locks fold on me. I've also been lucky enough to be able to drop the knives before I got anything more serious than a cut.

There have only been two types of folders that have not folded on me. Balisongs, and an auto opening by benchmade, both of which are illegal for me to carry. I've owned most brands of production style knives, so the knives haven't been junk.

I am also no novice when it comes to knives and their handling. I am proficient in their use. If it were simply a matter of certain grip(s) to avoid I'd do that, but I haven't been able to isolate a particular grip to avoid.

Anything mechanical can and will fail. Chances may be slim, but it happens.

This all being said, I understand that a lot of people totally trust their folders, I can live with that. As stated earlier in this thread I simply have no faith in folders anymore.

S&W620
January 13, 2008, 05:58 PM
I'm a big fan of the wave.

I have an Emerson cqc "snubby" and I couldn't be happier. It goes from in my pocket to in my hand as fast as a fixed blade. When showing it to friends I've actually had to do the process in slow motion as they had no idea what in the hell was happening.

Emerson makes quality stuff and the wave feature is a real asset if you need the knife in your hand in a hurry.

highorder
January 14, 2008, 08:42 PM
Quote:

The Axis is superior to the Wave in every way.
Where's that article about the cop who lost a few fingers because the axis button was under his thumb, and he mistakenly disengaged it in a heated moment?

I bet he'd disagree.

perhaps that statement was a bit superlative.

the cop sounds like he needed a fixed blade; being an LEO allows it most places.


I guess that I should quantify my statements by saying that I never intend to deploy my Axis as a weapon in dire circumstances. I am talking about the everyday operation of a tool; perhaps there are better designs for instant deployment in a life or death struggle.

Mike Sastre
January 15, 2008, 12:54 AM
"The wave draw stroke moves the knife away from the target - so it creates a lot of extraneous motion."

Absolutely!! Not the best thing in a SD situation. Original intent of "the wave" feature was that of a blade catcher. Found you could open the blade with it and a marketing gimmick was born. I think Emerson makes great knives and have all the respect in the world for Ernie Emerson, but the wave is nothing but a unnecessary gimmick. Excellent actions deploy the blade faster using inertia openings.

S&W620
January 16, 2008, 07:39 AM
"The wave draw stroke moves the knife away from the target - so it creates a lot of extraneous motion."

Not necessarily. A right handed knife can be placed in the left hand pocket and can be withdrawn from the pocket with the blade/knife headed forward in a reverse grip. The same is true of a left handed knife for a right handed person.

Skofnung
January 17, 2008, 10:27 PM
I've been carrying a waved Endura for about a year now and I love the thing.

With most of my pants, it opens on a straight upwards pull as opposed to an up and back motion. Either way, I consider it a tool first and a weapon second. As a weapon, I have more confidence in it than my old Endura, mostly because of the steel liners and lack of needing small motor skills to open it.

I also like it for opening bottles of yummy Sierra Nevada Pale Ale!

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