Browning .22 Auto Takedown Rifle


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Phil DeGraves
January 11, 2008, 05:24 PM
Does any body have one of these? How do you like it? Will it function with lead bullets such as Winchester Wildcat or only the copper washed stuff like CCI MiniMag? Found a couple of them, one Belgian, one Jap. Always liked the look of them. Nice slim handy gun.

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TexasRifleman
January 11, 2008, 05:29 PM
I have 2 of them. One is a Belgian that belonged to my father that he gave me years ago and one is a recent manufacture Japanese model that I gave to my son a couple of years ago.

Both of them have fed just about every kind of .22 ammo out there from match stuff to Wal Marts cheapest bulk stuff.

Both of these rifles experience occasional feeding problems but not often enough to worry about and not regularly enough with a particular type of ammo for me to say what the cause was.

Every once in a while they just "hang up" but it's never been consistently with any particular brand or type of ammo.

dmazur
January 11, 2008, 09:39 PM
I have one of the Japanese versions. So far it has been very reliable, but I've only tried Winchester Super-X (std velocity) and CCI mini-mag (high-velocity) ammunition.

I used a Burris scope mount, which is a cantilever over the receiver (like some scope mounts for shotguns), and I'm working on installing a ramped front sight so I can use a NECG peep sight on the scope mount.

Bottom eject can toss hot brass down your shirt cuff, but after a while you learn to position your left arm so this doesn't happen. :)

No "bolt locks open on last round" feature, and it's a little unusual flipping it upside down to check for a clear chamber, but all in all a very nice, lightweight rifle. Accuracy isn't bad at 25 yds. I have yet to try it at 50 yds.

Vern Humphrey
January 11, 2008, 09:58 PM
Bottom eject can toss hot brass down your shirt cuff, but after a while you learn to position your left arm so this doesn't happen.
My uncle in Oklahoma had a Remington -- exactly like the Browning -- for standard velocity only. He loaned it to me to see if I could shoot a jackrabbit. I was wearing wellington boots, and the first ejected case went down my boot top, and stuck to the top of my foot. I still have the scar.

kentucky_smith
January 11, 2008, 10:57 PM
Great little gun. Mine seems to function fine with everything but shorts (!).

MCgunner
January 11, 2008, 11:29 PM
Love 'em, will have one someday. They're just beautiful little .22s. Yeah, they're pricey, why I don't have one now.

Sistema1927
January 11, 2008, 11:44 PM
When I was in High School a buddy had one and I didn't. It made everything else look clunky in comparison.

I kept my eyes open and about 20 years ago I bought an older Belgian model. It has functioned with every type of LR that I have fed it.

Gordon
January 11, 2008, 11:46 PM
I have a Belgian one in the takedown case case with the factory (Redfield Frontier)4x scope mounted on the barrel (Redfield cantilever mounts.). Pretty accurate, like 2" at 25 yards with RWS sub sonic hollowpoints (match grade ammo!) , but mucho class act! Mine never jams, it like CCI Stingers too!

351 WINCHESTER
January 12, 2008, 12:12 AM
What's not to like about any gun designed by Mr. Browning? They work.

Dobe
January 12, 2008, 12:53 AM
Mine will feed any cheap ammo Wal Mart sells. I like it. I saw a stainless with a laminated stock once. I wanted it badly.

Phil DeGraves
January 14, 2008, 10:17 AM
Thanks guys!

SwampWolf
January 14, 2008, 04:09 PM
I know this is blasphemy but I bought a Norinco copy of the little Browning several years ago and have been very pleased with its appearance, workmanship and performance. You should be able to pick a nice one up at any gunshow for way under $200.00 (resale isn't exactly Norinco's strong-suit!). Hey, Browning's latest rendition is made in Asia too...:)

Oohrah
January 14, 2008, 11:09 PM
Yep, I have a Belgiam with the wheel sight bought in 62. Bought in
Southgate Calif. from Weatherby's and it was supposed to be a
presentation to Roy. No paper work. The receiver pannels deep
cut engraved with an oak leaf/scroll design, that is a deep royal
blue simular to the old Colt Python. I have more accurate .22 LRs
but only used a few brands of ammo. A handy, good looking, and
great functioning rifle. It still remains in 99.8 % condition. Never
came with a box. Shortage at that time, as it may have been the time
frame to the switch to Japan. I think they retailed at $69 and I had to
give up $20 more for the engraving that was a simple roll on scroll type
on the grade Is.:D

Bill2e
January 14, 2008, 11:37 PM
MNy father in law just gave me one. I can't wait to shoot the thing. I have been wanting a .22 riffle & I told him I would teach my daughter to shoot on it one day.

Very nice looking rifle. I expect it will be fun to shot. $12.00-$14.00/ 500 rounds beat the heck out of the price of .223.

mainmech48
January 15, 2008, 01:59 PM
I bought one of the often-belittled Norinco copies a few years back in near new condition because it was offered to me for $35. The extractor had a broken finger and the fellow said he couldn't find a replacement. I figured that it probably wouldn't take much to fit a Browning part and even if it didn't work I wouldn't be losing much.

Got the replacement from Brownell's and it dropped right in, no fitting required. Also found out the probable cause of the failure: loads of crud under it kept the extractor from moving as it should and literally hammered it to death. IMO, the same neglect would've had the same result in a 'real' Browning, too.

It's really a sweet little carbine. Light, handy, extremely reliable with all sorts of HS .22 LR ammo and capable of a much higher order of accuracy than I would've believed with its favorite flavors. If I ever run across a nice used Miroku/Browning at the right price I'll be sorely tempted.

A couple of personal comments: A carbine with the potential for precision shot placement these have really deserves better sights. Personally, I passed on glass and had a Lyman 66 installed. The non-folding rear leaf was replaced with a Marble's folder, too, but I've been known to wear a belt and suspenders so YMMV.

The front got a Williams FO bead. Works better with my bifocaled eyes and either rear.

Love the take-down feature! Quick, easy and makes for a very compact package. With good sights and an inexpensive cordura case it's a great alternative to an AR-7. Also gotta love ol' JMB for including an easy way to tighten up the barrel/receiver fit to compensate for looseness or wear.

If I ever do come across that Miroku and it shoots as well as the Norinco does, I'll do the same sight changes, install a LH trigger and reverse the safety, send it off to Robar for NP-3 and have my idea of the perfect all-around recreational RF carbine.

Vern Humphrey
January 15, 2008, 02:12 PM
A couple of personal comments: A carbine with the potential for precision shot placement these have really deserves better sights. Personally, I passed on glass and had a Lyman 66 installed.
That's kind of my take on this fine old rifle, too -- it needs better sights, but looks unbalanced with a scope. A really trim receiver sight should be just perfect.

dogrunner
January 15, 2008, 02:47 PM
I have owned original FN produced Brownings and currently have one of the Norinco copies. Never owned one of the Jap versions, but ones I've seen sure look of high quality.

That Norinco is an exact copy of the FNs I've had. Parts interchange with little or no problem and the price was damned sure right. I even modified mine to shoot .22 short for pest control by purchasing a Browning produced short feed insert and tube......works like a charm. Oh, yeah....I also drilled and tapped the receiver for Weaver bases, put a good quality illuminated piece of glass on it & it's the nuts for killing garbage can raiding coons.

By the way, picked up those parts from Gunparts Inc....prices seem a bit better than Brownell's.

aka108
January 15, 2008, 02:52 PM
Mine is Japanese built and it feeds anything that says 22LR on the box.

rcmodel
January 15, 2008, 03:40 PM
Same here!

Bought mine new in 1979, and I can't recall it ever failing to work perfectly with anything / everything I have shot in it.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/rcmodel/KTOG/1224.gif
rcmodel

CajunBass
January 15, 2008, 04:48 PM
There are a lot of 22's I want. The Browning is one of them.

kymarkh
January 15, 2008, 05:08 PM
Saw the stainless/laminated model at Bass Pro and was immediately reaching for my wallet when I read the price tag - Wow! Hope to one day find a gently used model or even a Norinco copy.

theNoid
January 15, 2008, 11:49 PM
I would love to have one with the silver nitride receiver and octagon barrel, it would be beautiful match for my BL22 with the same features.

Noidster

10X
January 16, 2008, 10:49 AM
Excellent rifle. Feeds any LR given to it. I found it very accurate.
I cannot think of one that would be better.

3006mv
January 16, 2008, 11:58 AM
Are your rifles shy?

dmazur
January 18, 2008, 12:46 AM
Here's a picture. Still working on ramped front sight for use with a peep sight on scope base.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/pacific1927/Browning22.jpg

paintballdude902
January 18, 2008, 11:05 AM
i have a belgium that my father won while stationed in labrador at goosebay in the 60s

we still havent shot it lol and i dont think i will

Dobe
January 18, 2008, 01:49 PM
Here's a picture. Still working on ramped front sight for use with a peep sight on scope base.



Is that a latigo sling. I love those. If you do a search on the web, you may be able to find a cantilever mount for that peep sight. Personally, I intend to put a scout scope on mine or an aimpoint.

dmazur
January 18, 2008, 03:22 PM
Dobe -

Yes, that's a Latigo sling. Just about as short as it can be cut to fit!

I have a NECG peep sight that fits a grooved receiver (or the grooved cantilever scope mount.) The problem is that the front sight isn't high enough for anything except the factory sight, which has to be removed to install the scope mount.

The folks with the older "wheel sights" and grooved receivers are lucky in this regard. Use of scope didn't require removing rear sight.

So, that's why I'm waiting for parts to install a ramped front sight to raise it...

Kman
January 18, 2008, 06:59 PM
Here is a Norinco copy, expect to pay around $250 if found with the box, small change for what you receive, it's a darn good lookin' shootin' rifle. About $119 from Service merchandise in "92".

SwampWolf
January 18, 2008, 10:09 PM
$99.83 at Wal-Mart in 1992!

9mmepiphany
January 19, 2008, 01:24 PM
i seem to remember when folks were putting bull barrels and cantilever scope mounts on them for competition.
does anyone know a source for aftermarket barrels?

Dobe
January 19, 2008, 01:36 PM
I saw a stainless with a laminated stock on sale at my favorite gun store last year. All I could think about was "man, if I put an aim poin, or a scout scope on that gun, I could ........really have a good time backpacking and shooting.

sean English
July 26, 2010, 05:10 PM
Hi I an new to this forum. I have a browning semiauto that I took apart today for the first time. I have a problem putting it back together. More specifically:the little spring that goes on the adjustment ring. Barrel lock spring is the name. What do I do with it when putting the barrel lock ring on?
Your help is appreciated.

dmazur
July 26, 2010, 07:49 PM
The barrel lock spring, barrel lock spring plunger, barrel lock ring and barrel lock make up an assembly.

The barrel lock spring and barrel lock spring plunger go into the barrel lock ring and create a "detent" for the barrel lock so it will stay in the locked position.

Spring goes in first, followed by the plunger.

(If you really get stuck, I can take mine apart and take pictures, but the general idea is as described above... :) )

deadeye1122
July 26, 2010, 08:17 PM
I have a original owners manual with a schematic but it is pretty small. Go to Numrich,search by manufactor,click on semi auto .22 and a schematic will come up. Hopefully it will help. I have a 1979 japanese and a Interarms/Norinco copy that I have a hard time telling apart. good luck

wgp
July 26, 2010, 09:55 PM
Mine will shoot anything, and is accurate. I don't take it apart anymore, as there are issues with little springs when putting it back together. I also don't particularly like the scope mounting system so I have gone back to the iron sights. If I could have only one .22 rifle it would be my 10/22, but since I can have more the Browning is here to stay.

RainDodger
July 27, 2010, 03:09 PM
I bought an un-fired Belgian and immediately took it shooting (I don't own un-fired guns!). That was about 20 years ago and it's still working great today. I took it shooting recently and it worked flawlessly. You learn to count your shots because, as mentioned before, the bolt does not lock in the open position. They're great little rifles.

Acera
July 27, 2010, 10:48 PM
Got one Japanese manufactured, works great, shoots anything I've tried to feed it. Problem is my buddies Norinco does the exact same thing. Classic design. Great for lefties.

One more thing, not to piss off the Belgium guys, but the machinery used to make the newer guns in Asia is a lot more refined and precise than that used 40+ years ago in Europe.

sean English
July 28, 2010, 01:06 AM
dmazur
As you can see from the picture, I got "barrel lock spring plunger, barrel lock ring and barrel lock " all together. I even didn't disassemble them.
I know where the ring goes. (I already screwed it up and put the ring in there once and Almost destroyed it with the adjusting ring but i can put the spring back upside down and try to solve the problem like that)Anyway, I have the 4 parts you had mentioned together but what now? put the ring around the barrel, push it in and put the ring around it?That is what I did and screwed up the spring. What is supposed to happen to the ring once I put it in? What is its function????
Allanalll, I love this technology that brings us all together and we can help each other out without even knowing eacht other.
You may also email me directly.

dmazur
July 28, 2010, 03:54 AM
Some issues. I don't have your email address, and private messages don't appear to allow attachments. Nevertheless, this might be useful to other SA22 owners, so I'll just post it as a reply -

(The numbers are from the Browning 22 Semi-Auto Parts List)

There are more pieces involved, and you may be missing one, unless it is up inside the Barrel Lock

The pieces involved are

1 Barrel Adjusting Ring Follower Spring
2 Barrel Adjusting Ring Follower
3 Barrel Adjusting Ring
4 Barrel Lock Ring
5 Barrel Lock Spring Plunger
6 Barrel Lock Spring
7 Barrel Lock

The first photo shows these laid out in their respective positions. Note that 2 is smaller than 5 and has a screwdriver like tip so that it fits the grooves in 3 and "ratchets", while 5 just acts like a detent so 7 "clicks".

The second photo shows 5 and 6 assembled in 4. The next thing to do is put 1 and 2 in 7 and slide it into position on 4. The tricky part is that the long axis of 2 has to engage the grooves of 3 as you do this. (If it goes on sideways, it will assemble but won't click. Slide it out and try again.)

I've found that you can get 1 & 2 started by lifting with a small screwdriver or dental pick, then press in on 5 while you push 7 into its assembled position. The third photo shows what it looks like assembled.

From your picture, I think part 5 shot across the room somewhere when you slid 7 back...the barrel lock won't stay in position without the detent piece.

When you get a replacement, I suggest working under a sheet or inside a garbage bag to try to contain part 5. It's really hard to find in deep pile carpet...

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sean English
July 28, 2010, 11:20 AM
Ok just realized that I am missing one spring. I am going to look for it. (I can hear you saying Good Luck) I dont think my gun even had it. Is it possible that it was missing one? Remember: I opened the gun up because I couldnt get the barrel tightened up. Could this be due to the missing spring?
Any suggestions on where I can order the springs? My email is sean_e n g l i s h 2 0 0 4 at y a h o o .

jmorris
July 28, 2010, 11:28 AM
Does any body have one of these? How do you like it? Will it function with lead bullets such as Winchester Wildcat or only the copper washed stuff like CCI MiniMag? Found a couple of them, one Belgian, one Jap. Always liked the look of them. Nice slim handy gun.

I have both the Jap and Belgian they are nice and light, donít have your hands in front of the muzzle loading the feed tube and are just as good for a lefty as they are for us normal folks. The worst thing about them is how you hold them with your support hand. Elbow tucked into body and palm up, when wearing a long sleeve shirt, will have you jumping around like you ran into a spider web trying to get that hot case off your arm. On the other hand the bottom eject is nice for folks shooting next to you.

sean English
July 28, 2010, 12:32 PM
This (http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=9&categoryId=16125&categoryString=10636***10560***9215***&numberOfResults=100) is a very good that we can use as our reference. I identified all the parts you had named, on this page.
Question: Look at my pictures. My 7 and 4 are already together. I didnt take them apart and dont even know how to take them apart. (that might have worked in my advantage)
So I am assuming that 5 and 6 are together in the 4. (Look at my pictures)
I know for fact that I am missing 2. I never saw it and think it went across the room. Wife had vacuumed yesterday and Operation Vacuum Cleaner Bag Dissection ended 30 seconds after its start in total disaster. (I have to order it)
I will order the Ring follower and now understand how it must fall in the grooves on the adjusting ring. And I know where it goes.
Do you think that my assembly is all in order from the pictures? Is the adjusting ring follower the only part I need?

dmazur
July 28, 2010, 12:57 PM
I don't see the Barrel Adjusting Ring Follower Spring 1, but if you have that, then all you need is the Barrel Adjusting Ring Follower 2. It's nice that Midway has these in stock.

I've never tried to install 4 with 7 already on it. Access to the part that needs to be retracted would require a dental pick, and a lot of dexterity, I think. I'm not saying it can't be done. Perhaps a flat screwdriver would hold 1 & 2 retracted while you slide it over 3.

I installed 7 after 4 was already on the barrel. As you can see in the second photo I attached, I put 5 & 6 in 4 and then slid the assembly of 1,2 & 7 into the grooves in 4, pushing toward the breach. You can get 2 to slide up the rounded side of 3 and then you have to push 5 in with something (I used a small drift punch) to allow it to slide further.

If you then rotate 3 and it "clicks", 2 is in the grooves. If not, it is turned 90į and you have to try again. I've used a dental pick to rotate it a little while it is on the sloped part of 3, as it seems to want to climb that surface oriented in the wrong direction.

7 disassembles from 4 by sliding it toward the muzzle. Be careful! 5 can shoot across the room (or hit you in the eye) if you don't catch it with a finger. The spring force isn't like a recoil spring, but it is sufficient to toss that little part high enough to hit a ceiling. As I suggested, doing this under a sheet or inside a white garbage bag is good insurance.

So, there may be two ways to reassemble this. I only have experience with one, and it may not be the easiest way.

I'm pretty sure that a missing Barrel Adjusting Ring Follower will allow the Barrel Adjusting Ring to lose its setting, and the barrel won't stay tight. I lived without a Barrel Lock Spring Plunger for awhile (until I found the parts in the carpeting) and I know that lets the Barrel Lock move too easily.

Good luck.

paintballdude902
July 28, 2010, 02:03 PM
i have one my father won while in the air force. he had stopped shooting by that point but kept it since the next year they moved production to japan.

it got pretty dinged up over the next many years since it traveled to 3 countries with him and several states. he gave it to me about 4 years ago unfired but in rough shape. i fired it and probably put 2 hundred rounds through it. it was picky about ammo and tended to jam on me alot.

i still have it but i got a 10/22 and never looked back

A.H. Fox
November 13, 2010, 04:54 PM
Anyone know what one of these are valued at these days? I have one that has made in Belgium stamped on the barrel and no serial number can be found.

Thanks

rcmodel
November 13, 2010, 04:59 PM
Look on the steel insert in the butt the mag tube goes in.
Should be a serial number there maybe.

rc

52grain
November 13, 2010, 07:51 PM
I bought one of the Miroku made units about one year ago. Works great with whatever amo I happen to have on hand. Also wonderfully easy to take down and clean, just use common sense or follow the instructions in the manual.

I have three Miroku made Brownings. All of them have excellent fit and finish and pretty decent wood. I don't have any Belgian made units to compare to, but I would never hesitate to buy a new or well cared for used Miroku though it is a little disconcerting to buy a gun made by people who will never have the opportunity to own them.

NWCP
November 13, 2010, 07:58 PM
The Browning SA22 is an absolute joy to shoot and is an accurate little rifle. I also like its looks. Mine eats any .22LR fodder I feed it. I only run brass cased ammo through it, but lead, or copper washed doesn't make a difference. Get one, you'll never regret it. It makes for a great squirrel rifle and is light enough that you can carry it all day long without fatigue.

A.H. Fox
November 15, 2010, 07:40 AM
Look on the steel insert in the butt the mag tube goes in.
Should be a serial number there maybe.

rc
Thanks, I'll take a look.

natman
November 15, 2010, 12:00 PM
I have a mint Belgian wheelsight, a Miroku Browning and a Norinco. All of them work fine with plain lead 22 ammo.

Here's a pic of the Norinco with its Scout scope:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e166/nat_mann/norincoscout.jpg

PhillipM
November 18, 2010, 08:45 PM
Thanks, I'll take a look.
I had a hard time finding mine on my 1962 model, it's not on the receiver, not on the magazine catch plate, but on the underside of the barrel just forward of the handguard! It's a light stamp.

PhillipM
November 18, 2010, 08:54 PM
Thanks to all that posted before about the locking mechanism for the barrel. I had the same problem. I ordered all the parts from Midway USA and for the first time since I was 12 (now 42) it's all locked up tight. I also ordered the Weaver scope mount and installed an old Weaver K2.5 B60. It's perfect for the little rifle! I zeroed it in at 50 yards and shot the group in the photo with 5 CCI mini mag hollow points and 10 Remington bulk. The flyers are some jerks from the guy next to me sighting in his .45/70 handi rifle. One thing about using Weaver rings, put the knob on the left side of the receiver else it will hit before the barrel releases. I started to change forward ring over when it dawned on me that with them opposite I could tighten each a little at a time and the crosshairs would stay straight.

http://i65.servimg.com/u/f65/15/55/99/36/browni10.jpg

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