Bob Munden vs. Jerry Miculek?


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stevereno1
January 11, 2008, 10:15 PM
Both are better handgunners than any of us will ever be. Which is faster/better? I respect both of these men as they are nothing less than gentlemen. Let's have a fun discussion.

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MaterDei
January 11, 2008, 10:17 PM
I've seen Miculek and can't imagine anybody being better. To be fair I haven't had the pleasure of seeing Munden at work but I just can't imagine that he could be better. :)

stevereno1
January 11, 2008, 10:23 PM
you must look up bob mundon on youtube. he shoots three shots from a single action colt peacemaker in less than 1/2 second. Saw him hit a baloon @ 600 yards with a s&w model 29 .44 mag. look him up!

Phydeaux642
January 11, 2008, 10:34 PM
I have only seen them on the idiot box and in some videos, but I don't think I could put one over the other. They are both amazing and fun to watch.

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Rembrandt
January 11, 2008, 10:40 PM
We talking who's better with a single action....or double action?

Neophyte1
January 11, 2008, 10:47 PM
Aren't they totally awesome.:) Two of our time; finest handgunners.
Who is better? :rolleyes: Dang they both are:):D

ACORN
January 11, 2008, 10:48 PM
I forget the particulars, but I saw Munden shooting a 1911 I believe, and hitting an egg off hand at 200yds.

stevereno1
January 11, 2008, 10:53 PM
I saw bob shoot an asprin tablet in the air with the 45 colt. saw him take a 200 yard shot on a balloon with a s/w .38 snubbie! Jerry is incredible with a 1911 or a da revolver. amazing to watch either of them work.

MCgunner
January 11, 2008, 11:12 PM
My money, all of it, would ride on Miculek, personally. He has done things with a DA revolver that I don't know will ever be done again. More than his speed and accuracy is the unbelievable speed he has with his speed loaders. My GOD, I watch him over and over and still can't believe my eyes. He would make TOAST of anyone I know using revolvers against autos. I know some IDPA master class shooters and they can't even PRETEND to be that good. I'm not sure which is more accurate at long range, but for speed/accuracy on any action shooting scenario, I go with Miculek.

Stevie-Ray
January 11, 2008, 11:13 PM
I could not choose between them. As soon as I think about one amazing feat from one, I remember another from the other.:D

Cosmoline
January 11, 2008, 11:17 PM
Munden is likely better at fast draw and with the single action revolver. Miculek is likely better at speed shooting with DA revolvers and as noted I don't think any living soul can touch his speed with revolver reloads!

stevereno1
January 11, 2008, 11:28 PM
Mundon does cooler trick shots with a wide variety of guns. Shooting a needle with a 22 rifle offhand, shooting a playing card LONGWAYS, with a .45, the saccharin tablets in the air. BTW how about Tom Knapp and those benelli's wow! Jerry is so smooth that he almost looks slow. Meaning that his gun handeling is flawless. Smooth is fast.

JohnKSa
January 11, 2008, 11:40 PM
I'd say that the primary differences in skill are related mostly to what each of them has focused on. Examples: Munden has focused on getting REALLY fast on the draw, he's going to have an edge there. Miculek has focused on getting REALLY fast on revolver reloads, he's going to beat anyone in that area.Saw him hit a baloon @ 600 yardsNope, you just THOUGHT you did. ;) You saw him hit a steel plate at 600 yards and because the bullet splattered on the plate and the balloon burst it looks like the balloon was hit.

It's still a VERY impressive shot requiring a lot of practice and an amazing level of skill, but not quite as astounding as it seems at first. In some of the close-up, slow-motion video you can see the bullet strike mark appear on the plate and it's not hitting the balloon. In all fairness, I don't remember his saying that he was trying to hit the balloon, he may have put it there to make it obvious that he hit the plate.

Navy joe
January 12, 2008, 08:59 AM
The thing about Jerry is if you see him with a J-Frame, 1911, open shotgun, AR, etc. he is still just as smooth and fast. A tough 3-gun competitor.

Seiko
January 12, 2008, 11:03 AM
Bob Munden is the modern king of the trick shot.

Jerry Miculek is the modern king of the double action revolver.

That is their claim to fames. That said either of them spend so much time shooting a variety of guns that you could give them any gun and have them go shoot any sport and they would excel at it.

But put Munden against Miculek in a ICORE match Miculek wins.
Put Miculek against Munden in shooting a playing card in half out of the air my moneys on Munden.

They have their niches so to speak but are both Kings.

John4me05
January 12, 2008, 11:50 AM
Ill take Jerry in timed competitions and Bob at any kind of precise competition

hksw
January 12, 2008, 12:12 PM
The long range shot with the snub was a bit stacked as the balloon was on a steal plate that was much larger. Any miss that hit the plate slattered the bullet enough to puncture the balloon as JKS stated. (Though I think they did a few takes on it an he actually did hit the balloon in one, IIRC.)

Despite this, Bob is quite fast.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3294705331491837210&q=bob+munden+video&total=11&start=0&num=100&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Thw two ballon trick never ceases to amaze me.

TimboKhan
January 12, 2008, 12:20 PM
I think Jerry Miculek might be the finest all around shooters ever. I am sure you can make plenty of arguments for and against that statement, but if he isn't the best ever, he has got to be pretty close.

Munden is incredible, but I have always viewed him as more of a trick shot specialist. I know he competed in fast draw and what not, but Miculek is nothing but a competitor. Thats not to say Munden isn't flat out awesome, but there are enough difference between the two (aside from the whole SA/DA thing) that it's hard for me to really make a comparison.

RecoilRob
January 12, 2008, 02:59 PM
One thing I CAN say for absolute certain: If the two ever squared off against each other, it would be the shortest gunfight in history. And, both would be killed.

gcrookston
January 12, 2008, 05:18 PM
I know both Jerry and his wife Kay. Excellent shooters each. I'd met Jim Sr. on several occasions and thought very highly of him. I don't know who the other guy is, so I have to vote for Jerry (after all, Jerry delivered my wedding present, a 42 gun Liberty safe).

Smurfslayer
January 14, 2008, 03:39 PM
Jerry delivered my wedding present, a 42 gun Liberty safe

Are you looking to adopt? :D

Mat, not doormat
January 16, 2008, 01:47 AM
In an actual competition, such as IPSC, or ICORE, that sort of thing, Jerry, every time. He simply owns the revolver world, and is pretty incredible with anything else he picks up.

Munden, on the other hand, is primarily a trick shooter. Great trick shots don't necessarily mean a great competitor.

~~~Mat

PCRCCW
January 16, 2008, 10:10 AM
Munden has a recorded on video/high speed draw and shoot time of
.02 seconds....thats faster than you can blink. And he hit his target!

He IS the master of the fast draw and trick stuff.....and he shoots SAA Colts.

For DA rev's then Miceluk is absolutely amazing.....

Its apples and oranges......and they are both good!

Shoot well and god bless

moxie
January 16, 2008, 01:49 PM
They are both incredible! Bob Munden is also almost as amazing with bow and arrow as with guns.

hksw
January 16, 2008, 02:11 PM
Munden has a recorded on video/high speed draw and shoot time of
.02 seconds....thats faster than you can blink. And he hit his target!

He IS the master of the fast draw and trick stuff.....and he shoots SAA Colts.

I do have to point out that Bob does heavily modify his single actions, specifically for speed (e.g., no disconnect).

Fishman777
January 16, 2008, 03:03 PM
Let me put it this way. I'd rather have Jerry with me if the SHTF - unless the threat was a quarter mile away, then I might want Bob.

chefcs5
August 11, 2009, 10:32 AM
I agree when it comes to trick shots and draw munden is king, reloads and sport shooting jerry hands down. but hey not far behind is bob H
http://www.midwesttraininggroup.net/fast.htm thats some of his videos

ChCx2744
August 11, 2009, 11:23 AM
Can you imagine what Jerry Miculek could do with a Glock 19 and a few 33 round magazines..??? :what:

Justin
August 11, 2009, 12:04 PM
I've heard it said that Miculek can fire a revolver faster than a semi auto can mechanically cycle. I'd love to meet the man sometime.

MrBorland
August 11, 2009, 12:08 PM
Can you imagine what Jerry Miculek could do with a Glock 19 and a few 33 round magazines..???

Well, it might look and sound a bit like this (fast forward the vid to 5:00):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAPEs5gaaM&feature=related



faster than a semi auto can mechanically cycle

edit: In this vid, ol' Jerry shows a semi auto can cycle pretty darned fast.

LeonCarr
August 11, 2009, 01:03 PM
I watched a video of Bob Munden shooting a Browning Hi-Power so fast it sounded like a machine gun...he was basically bump firing a handgun :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

Bill B.
August 11, 2009, 01:16 PM
I think Jerry Miculek might be the finest all around shooters ever.

+1 .........per the guys on the SASS board Bob Munden would never get into the SA Fast Draw matches because he was middle of the pack in speed. Watching him shoot makes that hard to swallow. I think to the best of my recollection the speed shooters used wax bullets at one time and then went to blanks popping balloons for score also. It might make you a might slower cocking a SA coming out the holster with a lead round than a blank! I have seen Bob Munden do some pretty amazing things with a revolver but I think Jerry is better.

ArmedBear
August 11, 2009, 01:21 PM
per the guys on the SASS board Bob Munden would never get into the SA Fast Draw matches because he was middle of the pack in speed. Watching him shoot makes that hard to swallow.

He shoots two-handed, which isn't allowed in Cowboy Fastdraw, except for women and children (due to strength differences).

I think to the best of my recollection the speed shooters used wax bullets at one time and then went to blanks popping balloons for score also.

There was a split at some point.

Cowboy Fastdraw uses wax bullets and steel targets. Not sure what the blanks and balloons guys call the sport, but from what I understand, they don't do so well when they have to hit something.

atomd
August 11, 2009, 01:33 PM
Well, it might look and sound a bit like this (fast forward the vid to 5:00):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAPE...eature=related


He's just bumpfiring that 1911. He isn't actually completing a full trigger pull using his finger for each shot. Nothing against him (he's mega talented either way) but bumpfiring isn't exactly anything only a guy like him can do. The pistol is basically firing itself with it's own recoil (being pushed forward by his hand also) and his finger stays stationary the entire time.

I taped a few shows on the history channel the other day. One was sharpshooters and one was something else. I hope this is the one I taped because it looks really good.

There's a video of him on youtube reloading a revolver so fast it has to be seen to be believed.

RedLion
August 11, 2009, 01:44 PM
There was a clip on American Shooter or something, where the exhibition shooter ( I don't remember who) fire a 1911 as fast as possible, then a single action as fast as possible. The 1911 sounded like a machine gun, but the single action sounded like one shot. It was only until they put it in slow motion that the three shots could be made out from the single action. He explained that it was faster because only the hammer moved and it only had to move a short distance compared to the slide on the 1911.

ceadermtnboy
August 11, 2009, 09:17 PM
I dont want to highjack this thread, but I like to question which of two would you want to go into combat with. I'll take Jerry without a doubt!!

JohnKSa
August 12, 2009, 01:52 AM
I've heard it said that Miculek can fire a revolver faster than a semi auto can mechanically cycle. I'd love to meet the man sometime.Based on the cyclic rate of the few full-auto pistols out there, Jerry is nowhere close to challenging the slide cycle time.

The Beretta 93R and the Glock 18, full-auto versions of common semi-auto pistols, both fire at well over 1000 rounds per minute--considerably faster than 16 shots per second. Jerry's record is around 8 shots per second--less than half as fast.

That's nothing against Jerry, I'm a huge fan of his shooting ability and his down-to-earth attitude. He's one of the very few celebrities that I would like to meet.where the exhibition shooter ( I don't remember who) fire a 1911 as fast as possible, then a single action as fast as possible. The 1911 sounded like a machine gun, but the single action sounded like one shot.Firing a revolver by fanning and using more than one finger per sweep is very different (and MUCH faster) than pulling and releasing a DA trigger for each shot.

searcher451
August 12, 2009, 03:09 PM
The question is akin to asking how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The only true way to make a determination is to get the two guys in question into a gunfight ... something that no one in their right right mind would go for, least of all the two guys in question. I suppose they could use paintball and video equipment to -- no, let's not go there either.

speak2u
August 14, 2009, 08:43 AM
The other thing to ponder is a fantisy of mine - Jerry and Bob fully armed walking in a bad part of town fully armed - two old guys just ready to be mugged and a group of fools try to do it. The outcome??

I'd pay to see that.

Second fantisy - Jerry and Bob with the Erp brothers at the OK Coral - probably be over much sooner.

Just some thoughts that go through my mind during dull moments.

greenlion
August 14, 2009, 03:42 PM
I don't see that their individual skill sets overlap enough to make a fair comparison. Its like asking who is the better, Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan.

JWF III
August 14, 2009, 11:19 PM
I've heard it said that Miculek can fire a revolver faster than a semi auto can mechanically cycle.

where the exhibition shooter ( I don't remember who) fire a 1911 as fast as possible, then a single action as fast as possible. The 1911 sounded like a machine gun, but the single action sounded like one shot.

It was Bob Munden. Yes, he fanned the hammer, but he was also bump-firing the 1911. 5 from the SAA in close to half the time of 5 from the 1911.

Firing a revolver by fanning and using more than one finger per sweep is very different (and MUCH faster) than pulling and releasing a DA trigger for each shot.

Doesn't make it any less impressive. Especially since he hit with each shot. And it would take one hell of a grip to control the recoil of each shot.

Wyman

JohnKSa
August 15, 2009, 12:19 AM
The comment wasn't about what was or wasn't impressive. I think it's ALL very impressive.

The point is that they're two different things entirely.

What I'm trying to say is that the fact that someone may be able to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is achievable with a semi-auto is not evidence that a person can shoot a DA revolver faster than it is possible to cycle a semi-auto slide.

I can tell you based on the cyclic rate of full-auto versions of common sem-auto pistols that no one is capable of shooting a DA revolver faster than a typical semi-auto slide can cycle. They'd have to shoot more than twice as fast as Jerry Miculek's record.

On the other hand, it may very well be possible to fan an SA revolver and achieve a higher rate of fire than is possible with a semi-auto because the actions required to do so are very different than the ones required to fire a DA revolver.

Runningman
August 15, 2009, 12:39 AM
Can't believe know one here brought up Ed McGivern. Some of his records many decades ago still stands to this day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McGivern

GoWolfpack
August 18, 2009, 07:25 AM
Why don't let's ask the man himself? (one of them anyway)

http://www.bob-munden.com/faq.htm


Q: Would you say that Jerry Miculek is now the Fastest Gun?

Bob Munden: Jerry is the very best I've ever seen at triggering a double-action revolver. He has won countless combat shooting titles with a revolver, also called a wheel gun. In terms of speed, we're talking apples and oranges if you try to compare his expertise with mine. First of all, the term fastest gun comes from western novels, movies and television. The fastest gun was always the guy who could draw a single-action six gun from leather, faster than anyone else. In modern competition, the sport of Fast Draw is always shot with a single-action revolver, which must be cocked first before it can fire. To fire a double-action revolver, pulling the trigger cocks the hammer so it can fire. Jerry Miculek is most known for his skill at super fast triggering with accuracy, using a .38 double-action revolver and a combat holster. I set my 18 world records in Fast Draw by drawing a .45 caliber single-action revolver from a cowboy-style holster, cocking the hammer and pulling the trigger for every shot. These are completely different skills with different equipment.

CornCod
August 18, 2009, 10:05 PM
I think Miculek is the better shot, but Munden has a screwy, off-beat sense of humor that I appreciate and that really means something in this wacky world of ours.

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