[MCgunner]

So, this friend I race motorcycles with and his buddy live up in Tyler, east Texas, national forests to hunt. They were out squirrel hunting with their 10-22s when they crossed paths with a pack of hogs. He said they fired 60 rounds into this thing before it finally stopped. It came after 'em and they just kept backing up and firing. I guess those high cap mags for a 10-22 can come in handy for something after all.:D I mean, I probably would have shot it, too, but they sorta POed the hog and then the fight was on. ROFL

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[Vern Humphrey]

What a disgusting thing to do!

Things like this give great ammunition to the anti-hunting crowd.

[MCgunner]

Yeah, that was my first blush on it, but I don't know all the circumstances. Like I say, I might have tried a head shot if it was close. I can't totally chastise them for shooting the thing. Of course, .22 is woefully underpowered, but there are no laws on hog like there are on deer. And, I mean, I've used a knife before on a hog bigger than that. So, I won't be the one to call a judgment on ethics, here. Weren't like they were hunting hogs with a .22. They were after squirrels and this thing presented itself.

[MCgunner]

Ya know, this is a good argument for a Savage 24V in .22/12 gauge. Keep a slug in the shotgun barrel while you're squirrel hunting. Me, I usually have a .45 Colt Ruger on me loaded with a 300 grain pill at 1200 fps when I'm out in hog country with a .22 and this is the reason. I have sometimes opted for a .357 magnum and 158 grain cast SWC, still much better than a .22 for hogs. This story only re-enforces the wisdom of this habit. I nearly got to use my strategy late season dove hunting the other day, except that I was using my 20 gauge double and had some slugs along. I heard some pigs in a heavily covered mott and thought I was going to get a shot. It's only accurate out to about 50 yards do to the bead sight, but hey, can't see more'n that out there hunting on the ground. A shotgun with slugs is a good option. I'd rather hunt squirrel with a .22, though.

[Vern Humphrey]

Ya know, this is a good argument for a Savage 24V in .22/12 gauge. Keep a slug in the shotgun barrel while you're squirrel hunting. Me, I usually have a .45 Colt Ruger on me loaded with a 300 grain pill at 1200 fps when I'm out in hog country with a .22 and this is the reason.
Hereabouts we don't have feral hogs. We do have black bears, mountain lions (Yes, I know the Fish and Game people say we don't, but I've seen them.) And we have feral dogs.

When I hunt with a .22, I also carry a .45. But when I hunt deer, I carry a Hammond Game Getter. Mine is a .30-06 case with an offset .22 chamber in the base. A nail-setting .22 blank and an 00 buck pellet make a fine squirrel round.

[S&W620]

60 rounds huh?

Not exactly what I would call a clean kill.

[stevereno1]

texas hogs are like armidillos to us in georgia, and alabama. We get 'em 1000 lbs +. ever heard of HOGZILLA? look it up.

[Javelin]

This is an awful story.

:(

[LeonCarr]

Sounds like self defense to me.

Back in the early 90s I was in the Sam Houston National Forest near Huntsville, Texas pulling my pickup out of the mud with a come-a-long when a roughly 200 pound boar hog came out of the thicket and started to run towards me. The only thing I had on me was a .223 Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle with the factory five round magazine loaded with 55 grain FMJs. I shot the hog 5 times in the head from about 15 yards, and thankfully he dropped. The hog backstrap that night was great :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[22-rimfire]

See guys, the Mini-14 is accurate to 15 yds. Why do people complain about them? :)

[asknight]

Hogs ruin the habitat for every other critter in the woods. Why do you think so many states have open, unlimited season on them?

The order of the day down here in the South is that when you see a hog, you shoot. That order doesn't complicate itself with caliber and velocity debates... you shoot what ya brung.

[Vern Humphrey]

If you are anticipating seeing hogs, bring something that kills quickly and mercifully.

[alsaqr]

A .22 is not a hog rifle. Having said that, I have killed a lot of hogs with close in head shots with my Ruger 10/.22 while small game hunting. Just shoot him in the head until he stops kicking.

[Burrito]

I don't see a big problem with what took place. Once the first round was fired, if the pig didn't go down, I'd keep firing too. I think anyone would. I view hogs at the same level as a rat. They're nasty, destructive, and cost farmers lots of $$$$$ with the damage they do.

Remember when you were a kid and you used to pry open a toad's mouth and stick a firecracker in and light it. How is that really different? Surely me and my brother aren't the only boys who did that?

[wilson]

Well i never put a firecracker in a frogs mouth.:uhoh:

[Atticus_1354]

LeonCarr, are there still many hogs in Sam Houston Forest? What are the rules on hunting them there? I may end up with a .45-70 and want to try it on some hogs.

[LeonCarr]

Lots of them, and a .45-70 is perfect for hogs in them guv'mint woods :).

I am assuming you are familiar with the area. Stop at the Ranger Station on FM 1375 West outside of New Waverly. There you can get maps and buy a National Forest Hunting Permit. They were 35 bucks the last time I bought one but that was about 9 years ago. They can give you the info you need.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[BullsEye10x]

It doesn't matter what you're hunting; the idea is to make quick, humane kills. Opening up on a hog (or any animal that size) with 22LR is certainly not very sportsmanlike. Last year, I shot a 200lb sow that ran right in front of me with a 22-250. I got her clean in the neck with one shot, but thought even that caliber was a bit underpowered. Ever since, I've always had at least a 30-30 rifle or magnum pistol handy if I'm in hog country. I suggest you tell your friends to either be prepared or leave the pigs alone.

[eliphalet]

Seems to support the idea that learning to shoot/hunt with a single shot, learning to hit where it counts and not machine gunning your prey to death isn't such a bad idea.
I know a 22 is light for hog hunting but come on guys, 60 rounds?

At 40 grains a bullet that's 2400 grains or about 5 1/2 Oz. of lead. Musta been one tough critter or some real bad shootin.

Seen boys that learned to hunt rabbits and squirrels with a 10/22 shoot deer about the same way.

[TimboKhan]

The order of the day down here in the South is that when you see a hog, you shoot. That order doesn't complicate itself with caliber and velocity debates... you shoot what ya brung.

I am not going to get on a pulpit and talk about my awesome hunting ethics, but if you had time to pump 60 shots into the beast, you had time to run. It very well might have been self-defense (which I am having a hard time buying in to), but that doesn't take away from the fact that it seems unnecessarily cruel.

Bluntly put, the order of the day down there in the South is stupid. Your logic dictates that a .17M2 would be sufficient for hogs because, after all, ya brung it. It isn't particularly hard to pack a .357 or a .44 if you really feel like whacking every hog you come across.

[asknight]

Timbokhan, actually, the 17HMR FMJ ammo is nicely effective on hogs when put into the noggin. The 17HM2 FMJ might just be more effective than the 22LR, when put in the right spot.

I'm telling you now that they wouldn't have had to shoot more than once or twice to take care of that hog if they would have chosen the right place to deliver the bullet.

Now since you brung it up, what is cruel is how the hogs absolutely ruin the entire habitat for the deer, bear, and other native critters. They will eat absolutely ANYTHING and EVERYTHING in their path.

[Vern Humphrey]

Remember when you were a kid and you used to pry open a toad's mouth and stick a firecracker in and light it. How is that really different? Surely me and my brother aren't the only boys who did that?
I hope you meant that as a joke!!:uhoh:

[mbt2001]

I am of the mind that shooting a hog is a civic duty. Do you guys remember that massive spinach recall that happened early in 07 or 06? E-coli had somehow come into contact with the Spinach and people were getting sick? They traced that back to wild hogs.

They tear up football fields, crops, trees. They go after dogs, kids... Anyway, they are way over populated in some areas driving other game numbers down.

Shoot them when you can. The advice about carrying a larger sidearm is good advice. I am sure that those guys will do that in the future. This is one of those things that kind of has to happen and then you adapt your tactics to it.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

I emptyed a 10/22 loaded w/Mini-Mags into one years ago, a real Russian that come down the slope towards me. weighed just a bit more than 100 lbs, hoof. but I saw 2 that were considerably larger, one much larger. maybe 300+ lbs. all 11 shots into head/neck area and the last couple right into head when it staggered and went down from neck shots.
definitely need at least a .22 Magnum for these. 30-30 is better.or 20 ga. and 00 or slug.

[MCgunner]

They require a 35 dollar permit to hunt national forests, now? When did THAT happen? I have only hunted APH lands (Texas state lands) in the last 25 years and haven't been in a national forest in 30 years, so I'm a little behind on the NF stuff, I guess.

[alsaqr]

Hogs are a really big problem for farmers and ranchers in this area. Last year we had a lot of rain here. Every pecan tree is loaded with nuts. Most of the varieties of oak trees are also loaded. Every sow that I have seen with fall pigs has had a huge litter.

One of the problems here is that most deer hunters will not shoot hogs. Most hunters do not understand that a large hog population is detrimental to the deer herd. Hogs kill and eat fawns. Hogs often chase deer off the food plots. Deer do not like to drink at the same ponds that hogs frequent. Hogs eat acorns in huge quantities: Acorns that the deer herd could use.

Having said that, I will not shoot a hog or anything else unless there is a very good chance that the animal can be cleanly killed. No, I do not carry a sidearm when hunting-I do not need one. Most of my hogs have been one shot kills-with a .50 caliber muzzleloader. Every hog i have shot with a .22 went down after the first shot: Some of them thrashed around and needed a few additional head shots to kill them.

The OK Department of Fish and Game has yet to get really serious about hogs. They do not openly encourage hunters to kill hogs.

[TimboKhan]

I am fully aware that they are destructive, and I have no problems whatsoever with killing them. I have problems with killing them in the way described by the OP. I don't care if you kill 500 hogs a year cleanly.

[MCgunner]

The OK Department of Fish and Game has yet to get really serious about hogs. They do not openly encourage hunters to kill hogs.

That's a little strange. Maybe they haven't understood, just yet, the the amount of damage an overpopulation of hogs can do to a habitat???? If they ain't a problem up there now, they will be soon. They'd better get proactive and promote hog hunting and control.

I need to get another hog trap. I had one, but the guy that actually owned it wanted to move it to a place he found closer to his home. I have some stuff to help me making one, an old dog pen I've had for years, but angle is a bit expensive. I gotta get to it soon, though.

[alsaqr]

"That's a little strange. Maybe they haven't understood, just yet, the the amount of damage an overpopulation of hogs can do to a habitat???? If they ain't a problem up there now, they will be soon. They'd better get proactive and promote hog hunting and control."

They are aware of the damage that hogs cause. Some friends of mine saw the F&W folks shooting hogs from a chopper at one of the WMAs.

"I need to get another hog trap. I had one, but the guy that actually owned it wanted to move it to a place he found closer to his home. I have some stuff to help me making one, an old dog pen I've had for years, but angle is a bit expensive. I gotta get to it soon, though."

I have a big hog trap built of one inch angle and stock panels. It is four feet by eight feet by 35 inches high. It has a door that is hinged at the top. We have caught very few hogs in that trap. For some reason no self-respecting hog will go in it. We have tried sour corn, feeder cubes covered with molasses and nearly everyting that a hog likes. Any suggestions are appreciated. We are thinking re-doing the front of the trap with saloon doors.

[CoRoMo]

+1 asknight

The only hog that my dad ever killed was shot with a Ruger Single Six, yes a .22LR, and it killed it dead with one shot, go figure.
Feral hogs are now vermin and open seasons are the only way to deal with them. My brother and nephew just went hunting around Midland/Odessa area for a farmer that has a bad infestation. They didn't even take home their trophies, just left them layin' where they killed 'em. I think I'm going to go down to Texas and try to help this fella out in May, but I think I'll bring home some pork for the grill.

[41magsnub]

I don't think this South Park quote has ever been more appropriate:

"It's coming right for us!"

[Javelin]

Killing animals with underpowered firearms is not prudent nor humane. Quite frankly I am appauld at some of the posters lately. Its almost as bad as that kid who posted his dog killing a chained and tied bore on Utube and thought he was cute for doing it. Quite honestly inhumane activities such as this should be prosecuted and that is the same as torturing a 100lb+ animal with a .22lr.

If I ever witnessed that first hand so help me god it would be a bad day for the both of us I am sure.

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[B.D. Turner]

I would have only fired on this hog with a .22 if he was on the attack and it was an emergency. 60 shots fired is nothing to brag about either they were likely using hollowpoints. If I were them I would pack a 12 ga on my next hunt.

[MCgunner]

A 12 for squirrel hunting? Nah, I'd just take my .45 colt like I normally do, along with the .22 for squirrel hunting.

[B.D. Turner]

LOL a little extreme for tree rats but far better on a hog than a .22 rimfire.

[H&Hhunter]

I say everybody needs to CHILL OUT! WHO cares what any and all animal "rights" tyrannizers think!

I am totally with Mr Ted Nugent on this one. Quit trying to present yourselves as a bunch of ultra ethical, deeply compassionate people who only kill when the moon is in line with Jupiter and then only for religious or substance purposes.

When you come at from that angle it puts you on the defensive immediately. We hunt and kill game because it is one of the most natural of all human activities. It brings us great happiness and contentment to do so because it is ingrained in our most basic genetic code. We are hunters we are predators to deny this is to deny being truly human.

Hunting is one of the most gratifying, exciting, physically trying, mentally stimulating, adrenaline producing activities one can do without the help of artificial substances.

Anti-hunters are bunch of mush heads, living boring little lives who have a need to control others to gain a small sense of power and purpose over their meaningless flat lined, empty existences.

I couldn't give a Kentucky fried do do over what they think about me. Just exactly like I could give a CRAP over what an Al Quieda member thinks about me. I know where they stand in my book. THEY are the enemy quit try to appease them!:banghead:

[hossdaniels]

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[BIGR]

Next time be like Rambo and just kill it with a knife......:eek: Needless to say they were a little under gunned. About like me crawling through a thicket with a small .22 pistol worried that I might meet something bigger than a grey squirrel. I usually try to carry a .357 when working on the farm or while in the woods.

[LeonCarr]

+1 H&H

LeonCarr

[Cocked & Locked]

Spray and Pray Hog Hunting? Not impressed. EVERYONE I hunt with would have passed on the hog if they were only carrying a .22 rimfire...as would I.

Not proclaiming to be self righteous, just like to hang around with ethical hunters...comes with age I reckon?

[Vern Humphrey]

Not proclaiming to be self righteous, just like to hang around with ethical hunters...comes with age I reckon?
It's not self righteous to have ethics, nor to expect others to have ethics, too. "Do your own thing" has proven a recipe for disaster, over and over.

If we hunters do not have and live by a code of ethics -- and enforce it informally through peer pressure and social approval or disapproval -- someone else will dream up and enforce a code through law.

[Cocked & Locked]

Amen Vern...I agree

[MCgunner]

Next time be like Rambo and just kill it with a knife......

Actually, I HAVE done that, with the help of dogs. It's not a real clean deal and the squeamish might wanna stay home. I am in H&H's camp on this one, will make no apologies for killing an animal, it is what I do as a predator.

What these guys did was the result of not being prepared, boy scout motto. And, I'd pass on the hog in their situation if I couldn't get a clear head shot from pretty close, like inside 30 yards. No smaller a target than a squirrel. But, just pack along the handgun and you don't have to make that decision. The way hogs are around here anymore, I always have at least a .357 magnum with me even if I'm just working on a stand or something. You never know when one will stumble your way.

The problem with your ethics is they might not be my ethics. I hunt from stands, have been called unethical for that. I use feeders, well, I'm just a plain azzwipe for that according to some, shouldn't be allowed a license, never mind most of Texas hunts from stands over a food plot or feeder. I've killed hogs with a knife, sort of the ultimate blood sport. So sue me. :rolleyes:

[Cocked & Locked]

I figure everyone that posts in the "Hunting" section of the forum is a hunter to some degree of definition. I killed this one with one shot from my Colt .25ACP pocket pistol. :scrutiny:


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[TimboKhan]

I agree with H&H too, and I have said many times that I kill. I don't "harvest", I kill. Ethically, the only thing I demand is a clean kill, which is why the whole 60 shots things bothers me. MC makes a good point about ethics being different, but really all I want is a clean kill. I am perfectly satisfied killing an animal with a well-placed shot. I don't need to torture it while it dies. If these yahoo's would have killed it in a humane fashion with a .22 , then I wouldn't care, but I just can't get past the idea that pumping 60 frigging rounds into the beast was inhumane and certainly not ethical hunting by anyone's standards.

[CoRoMo]

You know... there seems to be a bit of a, well, what would it be called, a double standard? inconsistency? discrepancy? regarding self defense. At least I find there to be something of an inconsistency. This may or may not completely apply to the pig that died here, but here goes...

You are forced to use deadly force to defend yourself against a threat. A threat of physical injury and possibly its a threat to your life.

Follow me.

If the threat is coming from a human, what do we do... we shoot to stop the threat, right? To say, "Shoot to kill" here is simply politically incorrect because we never want it to be know that our intention was to kill another human, no matter what type of harm they intend us. We are told that our intention should be to apply stopping force to the threat, whether that be one round or all of them. If that leaves the threat maimed for life, so be it. We are not concerned with the condition the threat is left in, because we are simply just trying to protect ourselves.

Follow me.

If the threat is coming from an animal, what do we do... we shoot to kill, right? To say, "Shoot to stop" here is simply politically incorrect because we never want it to be know that our intention was to stop an animal's attack and leave them alive. We are told that our intention should be to apply quick, precise, and deadly force to the threat. If that leaves the threat maimed for life, we've screwed up. We have to be concerned with the condition the threat is left in, because we are not simply just trying to protect ourselves, but to protect the beast from suffering.

I've recently pondered this incongruity. I suppose intending on killing a human is inhumane, but intending on killing an animal is humane.

Didn't want to hijack the thread, but it looks like the topic of each post is similar to this one.

[H&Hhunter]

We all strive for a one shot kill. BUT the one shot kill creed has caused more animals to go off and die slowly from a wound caused by a poor shot than just about other vice in the hunting world.

WAY to many hunters take their one shot then look over the sights to admire their handy work and look on as the now wounded critter bounds off into thick cover never to be seen again.

I seldom make a one shot kill because I always, if possible stick another bullet or two into my prey. If it's still standing it gets another bullet if I can still see it it gets another bullet. If it falls to the shot I have another one chambered and am on target automatically if it doesn't appear to be dead or rapidly dieing it gets another bullet.

I am not a hanging nor will I ever hang my ego on a one shot kill.



So to get back on subject. Did these guys do the smartest thing by shooting a 100lb hog (he might not be that heavy) with a .22LR? No, you've all seen my theory on the minimum caliber for hogs. However they shot the thing and once they did and it didn't go down as planned they had the sand to finish the job. Not pretty but they got it killed which means they must have hit good initially or it wouldn't have stuck around. The rest of those shots were probably shear desperation and adrenalin. But you've got to give the guys credit for sticking to it.

And remeber that hogs in most parts of Texas are regarded about as highly as rats in the rest of the modern world. They are a pest to be exterminated. I have no hard feelings for what these guys did. I would reckon that it is safe to say that most hogs shot with a .22 run off to live the rest of their lives with a .22 bullet lodged in their bodies. And I'd also be willing to bet that whole bunch of hogs get popped with .22s every year just because there are so many guys out their carrying .22s in the woods.

I've killed several wild hogs with a .22 one was a head shot on a smallish hog that was hung up i a fence and at the time the .22 was all I had. Killed him DRT. I watched a guy smoke 6 smaller hog all less than 50 lbs as they ran by with a .22LR one day. Everyone died fairly quickly with heart lung shots.

I do not recommend hunting hogs with any .22 rimfire or center fire! but sometimes you use what you've got.

[H&Hhunter]

I figure everyone that posts in the "Hunting" section of the forum is a hunter to some degree of definition. I killed this one with one shot from my Colt .25ACP pocket pistol.


C&L,

You killed that hog with .25ACP which by the same logic many have used in this thread makes you an unethical hunter. Using a TOTALLY inadequate round on a critter of that size. You had way better than average chances of not getting the job done with that pistol which is just barely more powerfull and way less accurate than a .22LR long gun.

So you had two possible outcomes. Hero or goat.;)

You got lucky.

But herein lies my point I've wounded and not recovered hogs shooting them with a .375H&H.

I don't begrudge you for shooting that hog with a .25ACP. Exactly like I don't begrudge the guys for killing the one in this thread with a .22LR your just turned out better.:)

[Cocked & Locked]

C&L,

You killed that hog with .25ACP which by the same logic many have used in this thread makes you an unethical hunter. Using a TOTALLY inadequate round on a critter of that size. You had way better than average chances of not getting the job done with that pistol which is just barely more powerfull and way less accurate than a .22LR long gun.

So you had two possible outcomes. Hero or goat.

You got lucky.

But herein lies my point I've wounded and not recovered hogs shooting them with a .375H&H.

I don't begrudge you for shooting that hog with a .25ACP. Exactly like I don't begrudge the guys for killing the one in this thread with a .22LR your just turned out better.

HA...you gotta be kidding. Certainly you new I was joking...25 ACP...gimmie a break.

I shot it with a Remington 700 .300 Win. Mag...right behind the ear. 150 grain Sierra Game King bullet.

[mgregg85]

Here in michigan were having some small problems with feral hogs and all hunters are being encouraged to shoot them on sight. I guess if I was out plinking and all I had left was my 10/22, I would have tried to bring the thing down also. Thankfully I never bring just one gun and I'm ussually carrying my xd45. If I couldn't stop the thing with 14 rounds of .45 acp, I'm running for a tree.

[H&Hhunter]

C&L This means just kidding ;)

This means scrutiny :scrutiny:

This means Uh oh :uhoh:

So how exactly was I supposed to know you were kidding?

That's the problem with internet conversations. With no body language and no facial expressions it's kinda hard to tell sometimes.:)

[mike724]

Subject: How to catch wild pigs
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some Exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt. The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a Strange question. He asked, " Do you know how to catch wild pigs?"
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke."You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America. The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. While we continually lose our freedoms- just a little at a time.
One should always remember "There is no such thing as a free lunch!" Also, "You can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself.
If you see that all of this wonderful government "help" is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America, you might want to send this on to your friends.
If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably delete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!

[rhubarb]

Shoot, just go ahead and put up all four sides of the pen at once. The pigs will still go in for the free corn. They don't even fathom the idea of losing their freedom. They just want the free corn. That's why they're called pigs.

That's when you can take the .22 to them.

[H&Hhunter]

Mike,

A "little" off subject but what the hey good point! Very Orwellian, Animal Farm and stuff like that.

And in a deeper metaphorical sense the poster below points out how easy it is to kill freedom once the gate is closed.:D

Man I love this site!!;)

[Flyboy]

At 40 grains a bullet that's 2400 grains or about 5 1/2 Oz. of lead. Musta been one tough critter or some real bad shootin.
I don't necessarily see the same problem you do here. Merely taking the total quantity of lead applied doesn't have anything to do with the "toughness" of the critter, or the marksmanship.

Put another way: if he'd been using a pellet gun, how much lead do you think he would have thrown? I'm guessing pounds, and the hog would still have him treed.

The problem here isn't the amount of lead used, it's the inadequate caliber. A .22 or .25 is fine--on a domestic pig, with the muzzle in contact with the back of the head. On a wild critter, I'd say the hunter owes it to his prey to use a more substantial caliber.

[TimboKhan]

H&H, just to defend my own statement, notice I said a clean kill, not a one-shot kill. I am not much of a hunter, but I know enough to know that I am not the Angel of Death and thus will make mistakes. Two or three shots to get a kill cleanly is one thing. 60 shots is a whole different animal, so to speak.

[skinewmexico]

Feral hogs, I shoot them with whatever I'm carrying. Like stepping on roaches.

[H&Hhunter]

Timbo,

I agree with you my only point being once you start the fray you are honor bound to finish it. They did what they had to do.

OF COURSE I am not advocating using a .22 for wild boar. That was bad judgment.

I am just trying to put myself in their situation. If I'd have shot a hog with a .22 for whatever reason. I'd also give it all it took to finish the job.

SkiNM,

I agree people simply don't understand the massive damage these critters do every year. They are a destructive pest.

I know a game manager on a ranch who is hired out to shoot them off of cotton and peanut fields during the sprouting season. He shoots multiple hogs at night with an Ar in 223 with varmint style bullets. The thinking is that they'll run off and die somewhere else so they don't have to walk out in the field and damage more sprouts by having to collect them.

People simply don't realize what the local attitude towards these destructive pests are. They are shot on sight in agricultural country with whatever is available.

[B.D. Turner]

I remember hog killings in the south most farmers killed hogs with one shot from a .22 LR through the ear.

[H&Hhunter]

Kinda tough to get them wild ones to stand still.;)

[LeonCarr]

To echo what H&H said, the landowner of every place I have hunted here in Texas has stated if you see a hog or a coyote, shoot it. Period.

I have seen hogs make a 100 acre pasture look like it had been plowed up with a tractor...in one night.

As far as shooting one in the ear with a .22 goes, that usually only works if they are in a trap or bayed with dogs.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[keano44]

Mc,

Although I have enjoyed reading this thread, and agree with H&H 100%, I have a feeling you regret ever posting this one.:D
My questions are how many of the 60 shots hit and where were the hits? It does not take 60 shots of .22 to kill ANY hog, unless you ain't hitting it in the kill zone. Any hog, no matter the size, can be killed with one .22 to the brain. That doesn't mean I believe I could consistently hit one in the brain that is coming after me! Once committed, the guys did what they had to do, to finish the job. They just can't shoot worth a darn IMHO.:neener:

[TCB in TN]

Next time be like Rambo and just kill it with a knife...... Needless to say they were a little under gunned. About like me crawling through a thicket with a small .22 pistol worried that I might meet something bigger than a grey squirrel. I usually try to carry a .357 when working on the farm or while in the woods.

Well now you have a fine idea there. One in fact that quite a few folks have accomplished over the years. Now not necessarily by jumping out of a tree with a big knife but by using some smarts and dogs to bay the animals. I have seen many taken, but I have only taken 1 that way myself about a 200 lb sow). I also went a few times with some guys who caught them by hand (for farmers who were having property and crops damaged) and then either butchered them or sold them to some huntin lodges. That was a rush BTW. Saw a buddy catch a boar that was about as big as my largest kill (350-375 lb range), you bay them in tree tops or heavy brush, then get ahold of their tale and get the backend off the ground. It puts them in neutral so to speak, they then will tie them up with parachute cord and carry/drag them out. I caught a couple of small pigs this way (lt 100 lbs) and they are not so bad, them bigger critters are tougher and while I liked watching, I didn't think much about the idea of doing that myself. Actually took my 1st hog with a .22 pistol using the same methods.

[FullyLoaded_FLBoy]

I just purchased a Ruger 77/22 mag. Sweet gun. If I see a hog on my property and that's all I've got with me, I'm aiming straight for the head. Usually it's a clean kill or a clean miss. No harm no foul. If I hit the animal and it charges I suppose I'd have to shoot till it's dead.

.22 lr is a different story though....if you're not fairly certain you can put lead in its ear hole, you should probably let it walk.

[H&Hhunter]

you bay them in tree tops

Treeing a boar hog. Now that is something I'd like see.;)

[alsaqr]

"As far as shooting one in the ear with a .22 goes, that usually only works if they are in a trap or bayed with dogs."

Tell that to the ones that have been killed with my .22.

[TCB in TN]

Treeing a boar hog. Now that is something I'd like see.

Sorry should have said "dead falls". My bad! Now that you mention it I would like to see that too! ;)

[Blakenzy]

I too, have a hard time swallowing 60 shots for one hog (geez, SIXTY shots:what:, c'mon now..) The darn thing wasn't even running away!! Either very, very poor aiming or something worse.

Although I never killed a hog myself, I have witnessed wild hogs taken by people in three opportunities.

Once by tresspassers with dogs which blazed out of the woodwork in hot pursuit of a hog which ended right in front of me and my dad (we were almost run over, totally awe struck by the sudden appearing furball of three dogs, a hog and two morons trying to get a clean shot in between); the dogs cornerd the pig against a nearby fence and they used a .22 rifle to put it down, fired three shots at rather close range. They were not allowed to take the hog with them.

The second was killed by a man (my uncle) on horseback with a .380 Walther PPK, with 5 shots although I can't say how many were actually hits. Now that was totally improvised, fast action. Very unexpected.

The third was a sick/wounded, limping hog that was spotted and chased down on foot by an employee and taken with a wooden club to the head, then bled out with a knife. Apparently the guy liked pork alot :eek:

You know, most hog hunting usually seems to be an improvised, spur of the moment thing.

[MCgunner]

The second was killed by a man (my uncle) on horseback with a .380 Walther PPK, with 5 shots although I can't say how many were actually hits. Now that was totally improvised, fast action. Very unexpected.

Now that's pretty bad to the bone right there. :D

These guys, the shots were improvised. They were squirrel hunting after all. When I hog hunt, it ain't improvised and I'm armed with a high caliber rifle normally, well, and SKS lately. "High caliber" is a relative term. LOL

Most of the hogs I've killed have been with a .308, but took one with a 7 mag. I was deer hunting when I shot some of 'em, but a few were killed on hog hunts. It's about the only day hunting that's affordable anymore.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

this party's gettin' too wild fer me. BS is WAY too deep!:eek:

[TCB in TN]

this party's gettin' too wild fer me. BS is WAY too deep!

And just what BS is that?

[TimboKhan]

So, I spent the weekend with my best friends dad who just got back from hog hunting in Texas, and he reports thats anything up to and including hand grenades are perfectly acceptable for hunting. I still feel that the whole 60 shot thing is excessive, but after listening to his stories I find myself in the uncomfortable position of admitting that I may have spoken without enough knowledge of the topic at hand. He also reports that shooting as many hogs as you can is not only OK, but encouraged on account of the plague-like abundance of hogs.

It doesn't happen often, but it appears that I got my panties in a bunch without knowing enough about my topic, and I am admitting that I was perhaps a bit stringent in my posts.

Dammit.

[Art Eatman]

Back about 40 years ago, inventories at Fort Hood weren't all that tightly controlled. Quite a few ranchers had sons who were stationed there. Army training includes some knowledge of booby-traps...

Ranchers around the general vicinity of Leakey, Texas, were plagued by wild hogs. They'd lose lambs and kids (baby goats, for you folks in Rio Linda) to the depredation of the hogs as well as the usual coyotes and bobcats.

The hogs also rooted under the net-wire pasture fences, and you might be amazed at how quickly goats find any escape route.

Obvious solution: Some dynamite and a tripwire detonator, placed where there was a rooted-out hole under a fence.

Instant hogburger!

[TCB in TN]

I hadn't thought of huntin hogs with handgranades or with dynamite but years ago while deer hunting from a stand at the edge of a field, I had a rather large herd of hogs move in right by my stand, there was about 30 or 40 head. A couple of decent boars (200 - 250 lbs) 6 or 7 sows, and about 20 or so shoats. Most were withing 15 or 20 yards moved accros the edge of the field in a nice tight group. A hand granade would have been real handy right then!:evil:

[MCgunner]

Texas, were plagued by wild hogs. They'd lose lambs and kids (baby goats, for you folks in Rio Linda)



Art's a ditto head! :D

[Buzztail]

In my best Uncle Jimbo voice.."They're comin' right for us!!";)

[MCgunner]

"git 'em, Ned!"