Kidney stones, narcotics and a week without a firearm


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QuarterBoreGunner
July 28, 2003, 01:01 PM
Boys and girls if you've never had kidney stones, let me be the first to tell you- it is one of the most painful things you can imagine, ranking right up there with, well... something REALLY painful.

Hit me like a train late last Monday night and after a quick trip to the emergency room and a x-ray and CT scan to determine that I wasn't dying (it just felt like it) they sent me home with a great big bottle of percocet painkillers.

Last week is a little hazy and this is the first time I've left the house since then... AND the first time I've carried my CCW since. And I really have to tell you- if you carry regularly, you really DO miss that weight. It' nice to be out and armed again.

Just a little PSA 'cause I'm so happy at being out of the house and lugging around my G30 again, so mods please close if needed. Like I said, just nice to be back in action.

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Mike Irwin
July 28, 2003, 01:11 PM
Father has suffered with them in the past. No thanks.

As for no guns, a shooting buddy of mine is now working on his second month of no guns no shooting no much of anything due to a herniated disk. They're operating on Wednesday.

Some years ago he stopped carrying his Sig 228 in a fanny pack and went to a Colt Cobra, then a Keltec P11, because the Sig was putting too much pressure on his back...

bogie
July 28, 2003, 01:16 PM
There are folks who shoot benchrest... Well, one fellow is in a motorized chair... And Mike Walker, the guy who developed the .222 and the Remington 700 action is around 95 years old, and still a force to be reckoned with. It's more of a "head" type of shooting game.

El Tejon
July 28, 2003, 01:41 PM
1/4, good to hear you are still with us and back in action.:)

45R
July 28, 2003, 01:44 PM
QBG-
Stay really really hydrated!!!

Glad to hear your better!!

Cyah at the next meet.....hehehee flake so I can have you gun manuals. :)


45R

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 28, 2003, 01:50 PM
I understand how ya feel, QBG. My dad used to 'use the screen' awhile back. It's like trying to pass a ladder-back rocking chair. Beware of urologists with the tool that looks like the little doohickey you see at the parts store that one uses to pick up bolts unhandily dropped into small crevices.

If they suggest a pass through the lithotrypter, it could be worth it. Not a bit of discomfort while they shoot ultrasonic waves at your back, but 2 days later you'll feel like you went 10 rounds with Joe Louis and your back will be bruised and tenderized, but it'll usually get the job done. You might consider off-body carry for a week or so. Time for the man-purse!

Better living through chemistry. Percocet is your friend.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Jack19
July 28, 2003, 01:57 PM
It's like trying to pass a ladder-back rocking chair.

OWWW OWWWW OWWWWWWWW:what: :what: :what:

DF357
July 28, 2003, 02:19 PM
I've had 4. Each time they went in and yanked them out - without making any new holes in me - if you know what I mean !!!

winstonsmith
July 28, 2003, 02:30 PM
I've had 4. Each time they went in and yanked them out - without making any new holes in me - if you know what I mean !!


:uhoh: :what:

QuarterBoreGunner
July 28, 2003, 02:32 PM
Thanks for the good thoughts guys; I can't tell you how good it feels to be out of the house and back on my feet. 'Things' uhm... passed in their good time and I feel much better.

I usually carry IWB at the 4 O'clock position... which is absolutely not working for me right now- digs EXACTLY into the affected kidney, so it's back to a paddle holster for awhile. I've carried IWB for so long that wearing a paddle holster really feels bulky.

Oh and percocet makes daytime television very bearable, not to mention making me cross eyed and sleepy.

goalie
July 28, 2003, 02:39 PM
As an ICU nurse I have seen some serious stonage. Most women say that it is waaaaaaaaay worse than childbirth.....and they have a much shorter tube to pass stones out of!!!!!! :eek: Hopefully you will not get them again. I am sure they told you this in the hospital, but keep hydrated, it really helps.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 28, 2003, 03:03 PM
DF357 knows all about the little clawed grabby thingie I was talking about. It looks kinda like that thingie Ahhhnold used to pick that tracking beacon out of his pumpkin in "Total Recall". I bet you can figure out for yourself where they put it to fetch out the stones.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Standing Wolf
July 28, 2003, 03:21 PM
My sympathies, friend. I've been there and done that, and now drink water like it's going out of style. I used to spend lots of time at the beaches in the People's Republic of California. I had no idea I was dehydrating myself until—on my third try—I found a doctor who was competent to diagnose kidney stones. My brother went through hell with them until he weaned himself from carbonated soft drinks.

Best of luck, eh?

Felonious Monk
July 28, 2003, 03:55 PM
Glad to hear everything came out alright, QBG! :D

If percocet can be your friend,
then Oxycontin is your Soul Mate. Your One True Love.


Better Living Through Chemistry is right, bruthas and sistas !!!

mephisto
July 28, 2003, 04:44 PM
I took a shotgun blast from 40 yards while shooting ten years ago. it hurt really bad but not as bad as the 4 stones that i have passed. one word.... morphine!

Drizzt
July 28, 2003, 07:03 PM
I just went through that again a week and a half ago. You learn that it is certainly possible to retch from the pain (sidenote, if you have a feeling you might be retching from pain that night, don't eat the sloppy joes).

It's one of those things that you know won't kill you, but, at the time, you keep hoping. Fortunately, once I've had an all-nighter with them, I'm fine for ususally another year, so no carrying probs for me.

MicroBalrog
July 28, 2003, 07:06 PM
QuarterBore - Welcome back! :cool: :cool: :cool:

telomerase
July 28, 2003, 07:49 PM
...And that's just from thinking about it. Most kidney stones are calcium oxalate, if yours are, then start taking a calcium supplement. Some doctors are confused on this issue and recommend low-calcium diets... thus causing more stones, because the goal is to have enough calcium in the diet to bind to the oxalate in your food in the digestive tract where it will harmlessly pass through... if the oxalate doesn't find the calcium in your intestine it will find it in your kidneys....

Monkeyleg
July 28, 2003, 07:50 PM
"Oh and percocet makes daytime television very bearable..."

That may help explain the audiences that Oprah and Jerry Springer draw. ;)

Glad you're feeling better!

keyhole
July 28, 2003, 07:54 PM
Great that you are doin better, now get to the range!:D

MLH
July 28, 2003, 08:32 PM
Just remember that they won't kill you.:uhoh: They just make you wish you were dead.:what: I know, as I've had 7 that I know about and have passed a few that I didn't see but only felt or seen blood from.:cuss: If there're really mean ones no amount of painkiller will do you any good.:banghead: Good luck and God speed!

10-Ring
July 28, 2003, 08:38 PM
Sounds like you had an eventful week! Hope everything's fine now!

QuarterBoreGunner
July 28, 2003, 09:01 PM
Actually the week was very UN-eventful; from the time I was in the emergency room late Monday night until-uhm... 'the passing' early Saturday morning, the whole week I spent parked in front of the TV stoned to the gills on percocet.

And you know what? All those anti-drug commercials that say that you'll just waste your life away? They don't lie; last week was/is just a haze of me sleeping alot, drinking about 2 liters of H20 a day, and my wonderful wife making me soup for dinner everynight.

Last night I felt pretty good and this morning I felt great and clearheaded so here I am back at work and carrying again. But I think I'm going to switch from the paddle holster to a regular belt slide holster for awhile. Like I said I usually carry IWB and that G30 just dug right into the offending kidney so that won't work for a little while. And a paddle just feels like it sticks out too much; I've been totally self-concious today.

I'm going to head home here in a couple, dig out the old Galco beltslide and do some dry fire drawing drills. When you carry everyday- NOT carrying for about a week is weird. But I wasn't going anywhere outside the house (drive? Are you kidding? I knew I was out of it when I kept re-reading the same story in the daily paper for about an hour after taking some painkillers) .

MeekandMild
July 28, 2003, 09:12 PM
Sympathy. :( Have had several stones myself. A couple of observations which may help:

1) Opiate pain relievers don't do anything to make stones pass. Drinking lots of water and doing lots of walking, seemed to help me more. The pain stops as soon as the stone passes.

(When I was in the service I knew an IG who got dehydrated on an inspection of our base and got a stone. The flight surgeon hooked him up to an IV bottle and together they walked up and down the stairs until it passed, then he was back on duty within a couple of hours.)

2) These kind of painkillers you mention hang around in the body several days or maybe over a week so if a person had to take a drug screen (for instance if they shot someone in self defence, regardless of how justified) it would be positive. Then they would have a hard time explaining things to the police.

Gewehr98
July 28, 2003, 10:08 PM
My dad and grandfather both had kidney stones. When my grandfather passed one, you could hear him holler from miles away. He said he felt recoil. :uhoh: Hope you don't have to endure that.

BTW, good to see at least one person in the PRK still has a CCW permit. I thought I had the last one when I left Sacramento/Isleton in 1999. ;)

cool45auto
July 28, 2003, 10:09 PM
My dad went thru that not too long ago. Glad you're back QBG!

Telperion
July 28, 2003, 10:35 PM
Ouch, ouch, and ouch. Glad you're feeling better, QBG. See you at the next Bay Area THR outing.

MLH
July 28, 2003, 10:43 PM
That riding a good trotting horse can help get those babies moving along!:what: :D

TaxPhd
July 29, 2003, 12:47 AM
I have been banged up a bit in my life, and I am pretty pain tolerant. NOTHING compared to the kidney stone I had. Hurling from the pain, and close to passing out. As mentioned before, women that have had them generally say it is worse than natural childbirth.

To dispel a little kidney stone folklore - the pain is the stone moving from the kidney to the bladder. From the bladder to outside the body is painless.

Kentucky Rifle
July 29, 2003, 12:46 PM
I snatched the brand new shower curtain off the rod like it was tissue paper.

KR

Felonious Monk
July 30, 2003, 04:19 PM
MeekandMild, 1) Opiate pain relievers don't do anything to make stones pass. Drinking lots of water and doing lots of walking, seemed to help me more. The pain stops as soon as the stone passes.True, but they do ALOT to make the stones bearable UNTIL they pass! ;) 2) These kind of painkillers you mention hang around in the body several days or maybe over a week so if a person had to take a drug screen (for instance if they shot someone in self defence, regardless of how justified) it would be positive. Then they would have a hard time explaining things to the police. Not if you've got a legit Rx, or your physician's name is Dr. Feelgood. :D

I DO try to at least be ambulatory, though, if I'm going into a firefight or a hot zone.
It's kinda like Reverend Jim from Taxi (Christopher Lloyd) having a CCW. :uhoh: :rolleyes: :D :cool:

Moparmike
July 30, 2003, 07:02 PM
To dispel a little kidney stone folklore - the pain is the stone moving from the kidney to the bladder. From the bladder to outside the body is painless.Oh, thank God. I had surgery 2.5 years ago, and every time I think of the ugly C-word I can still feel it. The 5 1-inch holes in my abdomen and the missing chunk of my esophogus didnt hurt nearly as bad as trying to urinate. Felt like fire. (OW, OW, OW, must stop thinking about it, OW)

That said, how old is one usually when the Kidney Stones start? I dont drink soda nearly as much as I did, and now am addicted:o to Red Diamond Iced Tea. Drink about half a gallon a day.

Byron Quick
July 30, 2003, 11:36 PM
It's like trying to pass a ladder-back rocking chair.

Ever seen a micrograph of a kidney stone? Many look like sandspurs. I think I'd rather try to pass a ladderback chair.

A friend of mine is a real tough guy. I've seen him cradle his arm which had a severe open fracture-both the radius and the ulna were visibly sticking into the air and calmly say,"I think I need to be taken to the hospital."

I've seen the same guy crawling on the floor and crying from a kidney stone.

Working the ER, I've seen a lot of people in pain. I've seen a lot of people doing a good job of dealing with that pain. Few of them had kidney stones.

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