Dog attack.


PDA






Hot brass
January 13, 2008, 07:52 PM
I ordered three sjamboks for myself and two friends.
When the wife and I walk at night I carry the sjambok. Have not had to use it, thank GOD.

Friend that has one was working doing service calls and a dog charged him. He ran to his truck and reached inside to get the sjambok. Said the dog was 10ft away and closing, turned with the sjambok and laid one on the dogs shoulder, and the dog howled, locked up the brakes and started back peddling. The dog is now aout 6ft away and he delivers another blow to its side. The dog has its tail between its legs and makes a quick exit.


Cop shows up (dog owner called). Owners are screaming, rope is around the dogs neck. Friend tells the cop look at the dog, it has no collar, if it was you that it tried to attack you would have shot it. Cop agreed, told the owners to go home and keep the dog locked up.

Cop asked my friend what the sjambok was?

If you enjoyed reading about "Dog attack." here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
ArfinGreebly
January 13, 2008, 10:39 PM
And his answer to that question was . . . ?

Javelin
January 13, 2008, 10:44 PM
Ok.... I'm not following either.

:)

tydephan
January 13, 2008, 10:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjambok

Indiana Jones would be proud. :D

Snarlingiron
January 14, 2008, 12:00 AM
Me and three shooting buddies have a Christmas tradition. We meet for lunch at a local Bavarian restaurant for lunch. What a great time, great German beer, Rotkraut, all kinds of Wurst, Jagerschnitzel, kartofelpfankuken, etc. This year, before we left for the restaurant, he present each of us with a sjambok and a Sharkie. I fly with the Sharkie, and I walk with the sjambok (and a Glock 26).

tydephan
January 14, 2008, 12:17 AM
Sharkie (http://www.coldsteel.com/91sp.html)?

gym
January 14, 2008, 12:31 AM
Is this some new code, or did I miss the meeting? lol

biscuitninja
January 14, 2008, 12:53 AM
Ok ... here is low down...

"The sjambok or litupa is the traditional heavy leather whip of South Africa, sometimes seen as synonymous with apartheid but actually much older and still used outside the official judiciary. It is made from an adult hippopotamus (or rhinoceros) hide, or possibly from the penis of either species.

whipping indeed. :evil:

-bix

ArfinGreebly
January 14, 2008, 12:56 AM
I was thinking Hot Brass had some kind of punch line he was holding in expectation of responses.

So . . . is there a punch line, or is that it?

tydephan
January 14, 2008, 10:03 AM
So . . . is there a punch line, or is that it?

I think that's it. No punch line.

He was just demonstrating the scsxjamsblock is a good non-firearm weapon. And that is friend used it to repel a dog attack. And the officer approved of its use.

I think I hit all the highlights. :D

Biker
January 14, 2008, 10:50 AM
I'm not at all sure that I'd feel comfortable whuppin' someone with a rhino johnson. Not at all...

Biker

CWL
January 14, 2008, 01:56 PM
Cold Steel sells sjamboks made from extruded PE plastic. I think that these are the ones under discussion.

I do have one made from hippo hide, these are significantly harder and stiff enough to do eye jabs with. These are comparable to solid rawhide and hit harder than the plastic versions due to their density.

tydephan
January 14, 2008, 02:04 PM
....

leadcounsel
January 14, 2008, 02:16 PM
I guess the lesson is that even non-firing weapons have the danger of a negligent discharge! :uhoh:

Coronach
January 14, 2008, 02:43 PM
I would imagine that a sjambok would work very well for dog dispersal. If used properly, it can flay skin.

Mike

ArfinGreebly
January 14, 2008, 03:18 PM
Guys, could we refrain from the locker-room style humor?

Yes, we all get it.

Yes, it's tempting to run the whole gamut of double-entendre remarks.

Let's not, shall we?

macFarlaine
January 14, 2008, 03:23 PM
I can tell this story at the pub,thanks guys...

Tokugawa
January 14, 2008, 11:21 PM
Biker, you always bring a smile to my face!

Biker
January 15, 2008, 12:51 PM
:)

Biker

Pax Jordana
January 15, 2008, 05:22 PM
I think the point to the post was that weapons can be great gifts. I agree heartily.

I was going to pontificate on the morality of having a loosed dog, except I can't help but wonder if your friend works phone/power and had to be on private land to make his service call? That's the line between bad form and criminal negligence, as far as the dog owners are concerned.

Oh, and wikipedia's the only source I could find referencing the sjambok as possibly being made from genitals :scrutiny:

ArfinGreebly
January 15, 2008, 06:43 PM
Uh, PJ, yer Google Fu seems to be a tad weak.

I mean, even a cursory search turned up this site (http://www.sjambokwhips.com/).

And a bunch of others.

It seems that both Rhino and Hippo were involved. Another version mentioned is from a bull (I've also seen a varnished version done as a cane).

Anyway.

The only sjamboks I've personally met were the Cold Steel product.

CWL
January 15, 2008, 07:06 PM
I bought my hippo hide sjambok from this guy, mine looks just like this, you can't tell from the photo but the tip is tulip-shaped with a pointed end. It is about as stiff as a stick of the same size.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZULU-SJAMBOK-WHIP-HIPPO-HIDE-MVUBU-KNOBKERRIE-36_W0QQitemZ260202667523QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4171QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

DAVIDSDIVAD
January 15, 2008, 08:40 PM
So, I take it that the hippo is a stronger material than ColdSteels Polymer?

CWL
January 15, 2008, 09:22 PM
Doubt it, I don't think extruded PE will rot or decay, certainly wont cut or break easily.

Real hippo hide is just 'cooler'.

I do have an original (red grip) CS sjambok and when comparing the two, the hippo hits harder because it is harder & denser. The hippo hide can also be used for eye thrusts while the CS will tend to flex.

carpettbaggerr
January 15, 2008, 11:15 PM
If he could reach in the truck while the dog was 10 feet away, why not climb inside to avoid the attack?

What was his plan if the dog didn't break off? The sjambok depends on pain compliance, it hurts to be struck with it, but doesn't really do much damage.

Why the second blow if the dog was already backpeddling?

DAVIDSDIVAD
January 15, 2008, 11:24 PM
Oh, I see.

I'm about to buy a 24" hippo for my mother when she goes running, and I was wondering if it's as effective as the thinner, longer ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZULU-SJAMBOK-WHIP-HIPPO-HIDE-MVUBU-KNOBKERRIE-24_W0QQitemZ260199021597QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4171QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem

CWL
January 16, 2008, 02:13 AM
You may want to buy a CS sjambok and cut it down to size.

This would be cheaper, have a wrist strap and not stink when wet.

If your mom ever has to use one, she shouldn't make one strike and then stop to evaluate, she should keep swinging until the threat is down or running away. Go for face, eyes and hands.

wheelgunslinger
January 16, 2008, 08:23 PM
If he could reach in the truck while the dog was 10 feet away, why not climb inside to avoid the attack?

What was his plan if the dog didn't break off? The sjambok depends on pain compliance, it hurts to be struck with it, but doesn't really do much damage.

Why the second blow if the dog was already backpeddling?

Because with canines, it's a dominance exercise. You're not communicating on a verbal or emotional plane.
So, if he stays there blinking, you give him another whack until he turns tail and runs letting you know that he knows you're the bigger dog.

Hot brass
January 24, 2008, 10:08 AM
The point that I was making was that my friend repelled a dog attach with a sjambok.

Yes it is a Cold Steel Sjambok. I carry one when the wife and I walk at night, along with my XD45.

The CS Sjambok is a polymer and is very strong.

Friend showed the cop the sjambok, and the cop asked what was? Friend shrugged his shoulders and said a sjambok. :D

gallo
January 29, 2008, 12:20 AM
This is hilarious. Whipping dogs into submission with a hippo's willy.

ArfinGreebly
January 29, 2008, 12:31 AM
Please see post #16.

I'm beginning to think we've gotten all the value we're likely to see from this thread.

Any more adolescent s******ing and I'm pulling the plug.

Don't make me turn this car around.

Slugless
January 29, 2008, 09:57 PM
A little sjambok trivia:

(As I recall from the Dutch Maritime Museum in Amsterdam) the Dutch got the sjambok off of the Indonesians as a wooden rod, like a heavy duty switch. They brought it with them to their South African colonies. At sometime it morphed into the hide version (and now to HDPE).

At the Maritime Museum there's actually a wall mural of a blonde Dutchman whipping an Indonesian dude with a sjambok. I assume the painting is not intended to celebrate the practice...

Sjamboks might have occasionally been made from penises but if you kill a hippo you can make lots and lots of sjamboks from the hide and only one from the penis - if you've killed a male hippo.

We took some photos of me doing some sjamboking and the "whip" action is very impressive. No, the target wasn't a dog although it was a dog bed.

Finally, the sjambok plays a role in Thomas Pynchon's book "V". In fact, I first heard of this whip in "V". I'd go into more detail on how the sjambok is used in the book but it wouldn't be very high road.

If you enjoyed reading about "Dog attack." here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!