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Topgun
July 28, 2003, 04:50 PM
it included the right to carry concealed at the same time?

I have CCW and each gun on it is listed on the license.

But, what if they changed the law so you could carry if you registered all your guns and could NOT carry concealed if you did not register them?

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Tamara
July 28, 2003, 04:55 PM
There's one other choice not listed...

Steve Smith
July 28, 2003, 04:56 PM
Agree with Tam. My choice is not listed.

10-Ring
July 28, 2003, 04:58 PM
I've never bought a gun I didn't have to register, so if I got my CCW w/ registration that would be an added bonus.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 28, 2003, 05:10 PM
I live in Texas, have my CHL, and I'm on my second pot of coffee for the day on a Monday and you had the gall to ask me this?

Whar's that rope?

My state doesn't want to know how many guns I have nor what they are. If they ever do, we'll just get us some better folks in Austin real quick. Of course, no man's life, liberty or property is safe when our legislature is in session.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Sam Adams
July 28, 2003, 05:15 PM
Tamara & Steve Smith are correct, the choices are too limited to answer truthfully. Also, in these days of Carnavor, etc., the correct answer probably shouldn't be posted.

FYI, in TX they only want you to shoot at your training session with a gun of .32 cal. or greater to qualify. It doesn't have to be yours, and they don't write down any serial numbers. The law, in fact, makes it clear that it is NOT a registration scheme, and actually PROHIBITS the collection of serial numbers that are tied to particular gun owners. I do, however, know where 10-ring is coming from - I used to live in the PRNJ, where you had to get a local police chief to give you permission to buy EACH AND EVERY handgun. The only legal ways to get around that are to come into the state already owning a bunch of guns (and WHY anyone would do that is beyond me), or to buy pre-1899 handguns. Neither is terribly palatable.

As any of us know, the 2nd ought to protect our right to carry without any permit and without any registration of any kind. The BG's don't ask anyone for permission to carry, and the 1968 case of Haynes v. U.S. protects the right of convicted criminals to not incriminate themselves by registering their guns or themselves as gun owners. Incredible but true, felons have more rights than you or I.

PATH
July 28, 2003, 05:34 PM
I live in New York. Alas all handguns are registered here!:(

T.Stahl
July 28, 2003, 05:52 PM
All my guns are already registered anyways. :(

keyhole
July 28, 2003, 06:11 PM
Guns? Why I do not own any, they were all taken in a burglary years ago.
;)

That's my story and I'm sticking too it.


Now of course, any time you buy supplies, I'm sure that the black helicopter's will be followin' ya.

243_shooter
July 28, 2003, 07:57 PM
I live in New York. Alas all handguns are registered here!

Yup, all law abiding citizen's handguns are carefully logged, registered, and more recently ballistically fingerprinted..

You can't purchase, or even posess a handgun in NY without a carry permit. Then every handgun (serial number, model, type, and now fingerprint) are all logged on your permit.

Of course you have all the folks who ignore the law, and just pick 'em up on the black market. I'm also quite sure there are a large number of handguns that folks own from before permits were issued and/or illegally brought into the state by otherwise law abiding folk.

It's actually much better than it could be considering the state appears willing to elect more than our fair share of dips (Schumer, Clinton, need I go on?).. :barf:

Leo

Art Eatman
July 28, 2003, 09:27 PM
Gun? I should get a gun?

Perish the thought...

Well, if buying and registering a gun meant I could carry it any old where, any old when, then I just might subject myself to the bureaucracy.

:D, Art

Stevie-Ray
July 28, 2003, 09:30 PM
I've never bought a gun I didn't have to register, so if I got my CCW w/ registration that would be an added bonus. Same here!:)

QuarterBoreGunner
July 28, 2003, 09:42 PM
Out here in Cali; your little piece of paper that is issued to you by the Dept.'O Justice lists by make, model and caliber exactly what you can carry. You have to qualify with these firearms and the qualifying agency will double check them at that time. Get caught carrying something NOT on your permit and you'll most likely get it revoked. And they limit you to four different handguns on the permit.

I take it in some states you're just issued the permit and can carry whatever you like?

lee n. field
July 28, 2003, 09:49 PM
Our options are carefully limited, just like real life.

One gun, maybe, if that's what it would take. All of them? Never.

Moot question in this mired-in-the-mideval-20th-century state.

blades67
July 28, 2003, 10:03 PM
I already have the right to CCW without registration on my guns.:neener:

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
July 28, 2003, 10:22 PM
QBG, when you take the Texas CHL range qualification you use any handgun, be it revolver or pistol of .32 caliber or larger. If you choose to qualify with a revolver, on your Texas CHL card is printed with category "NSA" for "only handguns that are not semi-automatic". If you qualify with a pistol the category is "SA" which is for "all handguns, whether semi-automatic or not".

It was discussed in class that by that definition if you could conceal a mini-Uzi or an AR15 pistol as your CCW, then you are not specifically prohibited from doing so, provided you qualified with a semi-automatic pistol.

Big fun.

That is the extent of the restriction on CCW handguns in Texas.
Have a wonderful day. I sure do. :D

Regards,
Rabbit.

Travis McGee
July 28, 2003, 10:33 PM
I'd maybe register one old pistol as a "canary in the coal mine."

When they come for that one, I'd hand it over.

Then I'd get out the serious stuff, war just having been declared.....

P95Carry
July 28, 2003, 10:42 PM
I take it in some states you're just issued the permit and can carry whatever you like? That's my deal here QBG ..... and I would object to being limited to what i could or could not carry..... oir have to have stuff ''listed'' on the permit.

All that stuff is pure obstruction ...... little else IMO. Eight months of the year I'll usually have a ''P'' series on board. Now .. hot months ... snubby is about all that'll cut it. Sometimes tho a .22 mouse is all that'll work.

Then again ..... when clothing permits, I'll have something way bigger which can also thus be available when out walking/hunting etc. My choice ..... and I am no more or less responsible because of it.

Majic
July 28, 2003, 11:13 PM
Virginia doesn't care what handgun you carry, so no registration exists here.

CB900F
July 28, 2003, 11:19 PM
QBG;

Two more states that I know of that issue a permit to carry concealed without any ifs, ands, or buts, about what you carry. They are Wyoming and Montana.

900F

Tamara
July 29, 2003, 12:02 AM
I take it in some states you're just issued the permit and can carry whatever you like?

TN and GA, too...

sm
July 29, 2003, 02:26 AM
There's one other choice not listed...
I Agree!!

I take it in some states you're just issued the permit and can carry whatever you like?

AR is another

Rock45
July 29, 2003, 07:30 AM
No registration in Florida...there is no record anywhere (other than in my posession) of the firearms that I own. I guess it's not a great big deal, but I kinda like it that way!

And, Yes...I am free to carry whatever I choose on my FL CWL.

Zedicus
July 29, 2003, 08:19 AM
The only guns i'd even think of registering would be Heavy MG's and i'd only do it if it'd keep the liberals happy enough to lift the 89 MG ban....

El Rojo
July 29, 2003, 09:36 AM
My CCW in Kern County of the PRK is a little different than Quarterboregunner stated. I can only list three guns. They are listed by make and caliber. I have heard of a guy having a Mossberg pistol grip 590 on his. However, I can take the class with whatever handgun I want, even borrowed guns. I don't have to show them the handguns and to put the gun on the permit it doesn't necessarily have to be purchased in your name. Then again Kern County probably issues a couple hundred times more permits than the Bay Area, so we are a little more relaxed.

Bravo11
July 29, 2003, 10:13 AM
I may get flamed for this, if so, excuse my ignorance.
I'm against registration of guns, that being said, I thought that all my
guns serial numbers were written down at the time of purchase in a log kept by the FFL/dealer. I've bought long guns from Walmart and they wrote down my info. I've bought handguns from dealers that got info from my drivers license and logged serial numbers in a book.
Isn't that "registration"

Topgun
July 29, 2003, 10:49 AM
But, so far, we're not ready for it. Maybe never will be......unfortunately. Too bad. Justice and Liberty weep.

Tamara
July 29, 2003, 11:09 AM
I don't think your "other answer" is the "other answer" I was thinking of.

You gave the choices:
"Register and Carry" (phrased two different ways)
"No Register and No Carry"

You left off one. ;)

2nd Amendment
July 29, 2003, 11:40 AM
Indiana also doesn't care what you carry with your permit.

Gordon Fink
July 29, 2003, 12:48 PM
Megcatia, you are correct. Unless the gun dealer stays in business for more than 20 years, he must eventually turn his records over to the BATFE. Thus we already have de facto national gun registration … at least through purchases made from FFL holders.

~G. Fink

Deepdiver
July 29, 2003, 01:28 PM
I can't see any reason to register any of my guns.....and I already have a CCW without registering. Why would I want to go backward??

PDshooter
July 29, 2003, 01:44 PM
I carry from time to time, my S&W 640. Im have "NO CCW" in the PRI.:cuss:

Sunray
July 29, 2003, 02:30 PM
"...no registration exists here..." No offence but what do you think all the federal forms you're required to fill in when you buy from a dealer are? Why do you think the cops were able to track how many and who owned AR-15's when those loonies were shooting up the DC area? That's registration.

ShaiVong
July 29, 2003, 02:36 PM
Every gun is registered when bought from an FFL in Maine... I think country wide, no?

You fill out the form, and the FFL holder calls up the men in black to do the instant background check.

I took the basic NRA handgun safety course, and this and $40, (plus a clean bill of mental and legal health) got me a permit to carry concealed FIREARMS. Nothing about make, model or ammount. I actually had my CCP a couple of months before i bought a pistol. :rolleyes:

But sense the license says 'firearms' rather than 'handguns', I think i can carry anything i want. BUUUTTTT, maine has an open carry law too, so if i didnt have one, I could just wear a pistol on an open hip holster ;) . (I've seen it done)

St. Gunner
July 29, 2003, 02:36 PM
Refuse to register and carry illegally, but constitutionally.

Should have made it #4.

Before I was blessed with the ability to get state sponsored permission to pack a gun:barf: :barf: . I did anyway, if they asked me to register or loose my CHL, well, oh well, I never needed it before.

Funny thing was I avoided certain towns that where known as being anti-gun, and when stopped by the DPS on a few occasions simply told them what I had when asked. I never lied, some used to tell me I was to young when I was less than 21, but they never gave me a hard time. I think it also helped that I never got stopped for speeding or reckless driving, normally something like a busted tail light or expired inspection.

I know a few troopers who to this day will not harass someone without a CHL, Texas still has a traveling law on the books and nobody has defined it yet.:D Oh nobody plans to do it either...:D

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